General Cricket Discussion

[wasteyouryouth]

How does everyone discussion come back round to Kohli = bad.

 

[Till Valhalla]

How does everyone discussion come back round to Kohli = bad.

Kohli=bad.
Dhoni= god.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

How does everyone discussion come back round to Kohli = bad.

Just an example.

It was rather coincidental that he came up in my mind. I could also pick up Suresh Raina for example.

Well we know that Raina isn't a guy that ever shows up a quality that he could lead from the front. You would see whenever he captained India he would rather be hiding somewhere in the field. I have never seen him walk up to the bowlers much or making much of field changes when the opposition batsman are taking his bowlers for cleaners. He never really had a great body language leading the team. Often he is quite low and hesitant in the field. Remember Qualifier 1 in the 2016 IPL when RCB were 24/5 chasing 160-odd and they eventually won by 4 wickets to spare.

All of us know that Sachin was a terrible Captain and how it cost Mumbai an IPL title since he decided to have Pollard in the dugout until the 17th over. A team that has 3 title in last 4 years never won the title with a better squad under Sachin for 4 years.

 

[Aislabie]

A team that has 3 title in last 4 years never won the title with a better squad under Sachin for 4 years.

This is inaccurate tbh; the Mumbai dynasty-era squad is literally the best-constructed T20 team there's ever been

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

This is inaccurate tbh; the Mumbai dynasty-era squad is literally the best-constructed T20 team there's ever been

A side comprising of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar, Bravo, Pollard & Malinga plus having young batsman like Rayudu and Tiwary along with Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh amongst the Indian veterans had a lot of fire power.

I am not saying the current team isn't strong. But that team had an aura around it.

 

[Till Valhalla]

A side comprising of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar, Bravo, Pollard & Malinga plus having young batsman like Rayudu and Tiwary along with Zaheer Khan and Harbhajan Singh amongst the Indian veterans had a lot of fire power.

I am not saying the current team isn't strong. But that team had an aura around it.

Aura means **** all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, i think that was the start of decline of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar had a fair share of his injuries and I like to say at that time Sachin was not consistent, Bravo was a good T20 player but still hadn't reached the T20 beast status he gained during his CSK days. Pollard was also at the start of his explosive career at that moment he could be best compared to Russell and I didn't like Malinga but he definitely was unplayable most of the days. Rayudu was a good young player where as Tiwary was really inconsistent.
Zaheer Khan has his own injury problems and Bhajji was doing well for MI.
The current MI unit is an an absolute powerhouse their ine weakness is their bench strength.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Aura means **** all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, i think that was the start of decline of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar had a fair share of his injuries and I like to say at that time Sachin was not consistent, Bravo was a good T20 player but still hadn't reached the T20 beast status he gained during his CSK days. Pollard was also at the start of his explosive career at that moment he could be best compared to Russell and I didn't like Malinga but he definitely was unplayable most of the days. Rayudu was a good young player where as Tiwary was really inconsistent.
Zaheer Khan has his own injury problems and Bhajji was doing well for MI.
The current MI unit is an an absolute powerhouse their ine weakness is their bench strength.

If we go by this we can even find weaknesses in 2000-era Australian team. No doubt people would set current side as a benchmark for an ideal T20 team but still the Tendulkar-era team had enough firepower and they were well capable of winning titles.

 

[Till Valhalla]

If we go by this we can even find weaknesses in 2000-era Australian team. No doubt people would set current side as a benchmark for an ideal T20 team but still the Tendulkar-era team had enough firepower and they were well capable of winning titles.

No.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

No.

Well that's your opinion and the earlier one was mine. Maybe both of us can agree that we were wrong at some point.

 

[Till Valhalla]

Gilchrist, Gibbs, Afridi, Symonds, Vaas, young Rohit and a young Ojha what an aura but they were last.

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Gilchrist, Gibbs, Afridi, Symonds, Vaas, young Rohit and a young Ojha what an aura but they were last.

Yes that is true. But they won the IPL next season.

Even KKR had Gayle, McCullum, Lee & Akhtar but they did not win much because of Ganguly's archaic way of Captaincy. Ganguly was probably India's best Captain but T20 was probably a little fast format for him.

 

[Velocity]

Aura means **** all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, i think that was the start of decline of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar had a fair share of his injuries and I like to say at that time Sachin was not consistent, Bravo was a good T20 player but still hadn't reached the T20 beast status he gained during his CSK days. Pollard was also at the start of his explosive career at that moment he could be best compared to Russell and I didn't like Malinga but he definitely was unplayable most of the days. Rayudu was a good young player where as Tiwary was really inconsistent.
Zaheer Khan has his own injury problems and Bhajji was doing well for MI.
The current MI unit is an an absolute powerhouse their ine weakness is their bench strength.

I agree. If anything, having an "aura" around a team comes down to winning titles and proving you could win games of cricket from anywhere. The current MI team under Rohit has won multiple IPL titles, won games from out of nowhere this season and so many more from before, no wonder they're highly rated and one of the best IPL sides of all time. Literally have close to no weaknesses besides a few backups, the only thing that will halt their momentum will be the mega auction next year. Likely it's going to be a massive headache for MI to retain their core and find other players that could match the strength of their current team.

There's a reason RCB haven't won a title, despite having the likes of Gayle, Kohli and ABD, creating a nightmarish "aura" for opposition bowlers. Even the likes of Chahal, Starc and in form bowlers at the time in Tymal Mills didn't help their cause either despite having really good players. They have not performed well as a team, which is why for many years after 2016 they've faltered for the most part barring this year's season.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

Aura means **** all,
Correct me if I'm wrong, i think that was the start of decline of Jayasuriya, Tendulkar had a fair share of his injuries and I like to say at that time Sachin was not consistent, Bravo was a good T20 player but still hadn't reached the T20 beast status he gained during his CSK days. Pollard was also at the start of his explosive career at that moment he could be best compared to Russell and I didn't like Malinga but he definitely was unplayable most of the days. Rayudu was a good young player where as Tiwary was really inconsistent.
Zaheer Khan has his own injury problems and Bhajji was doing well for MI.
The current MI unit is an an absolute powerhouse their ine weakness is their bench strength.

Very Well Said, The 2011 & 2012 under Sachin might have been their best bet to win the title.

The best was about to come & it did after 2013....

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I think I might've been wrong to bring up that MI argument. But the initial point of discussion was that how Dhoni was good at utilising his players and made a career of few players by giving them a direction.

And hence I brought up that if a player like Sam Curran player under MS Dhoni for India he would've been greatly valued given that how we have starved for genuine all rounders.

 

[Mijurkat]

I think I might've been wrong to bring up that MI argument. But the initial point of discussion was that how Dhoni was good at utilising his players and made a career of few players by giving them a direction.

And hence I brought up that if a player like Sam Curran player under MS Dhoni for India he would've been greatly valued given that how we have starved for genuine all rounders.

Leader word is not enough for Dhoni. He was a guide.