Good Bye India.

[romilmars]

Well Indians doesn't deserve to win T20 WC with such a bad team line-up...

 

[sohum]

See the difference in commitment which India and Sri Lanka has. Even in a evaporated situation, they try to WIN the game. They just won't give away about 30 runs in 2 overs if they lose Semies chances.

What? Are you saying the 87 all out was in an effort to win the game? That happened because they weren't able to deal with the pace and bounce. On the same pitch against the same team, India were in a similar position and Rohit Sharma and Harbhajan Singh managed to stand up and give India a more realistic (although still impossible) shot at victory. You're also ignoring the fact that Mathews and Perera hit those sixes, whereas our batsmen could not. It had nothing to do with "30 runs in 2 overs" at that stage. We were 20 runs short to begin with.

Nopes. It was left to players. The decision of attending IPL nights was left to players and Modi had no finger over that issue.

Actually, I was listening to Danny Morrison after the semifinal yesterday and the players were required to attend the IPL parties. According to him, though, they weren't required to stay for the duration, so the players should have shown their face and then head back. Realistically speaking, though, it would be very difficult to do that.

Bowlers are tooothless. How long?? They have to go to some pace academies, learn some tricks and get better and better, not attending IPL Nights and dancing with girls. If you say that I'm crippled in an area, you must try to cover that up, not saying that "I can't" and enjoying with what you have.

What were they going to do instead at night--go practice in the pace academy? You're really confusing things up here. Players are not digital objects--they're real people. You can't say, "go do X hours in the pace academy" and you'll become "Y units better'. It just doesn't work like that.

And as I've said again and again, we were bit by the fact that we only played 3 bowlers in our most important Super 8 encounters. Our part-timers (led by one Ravindra Jadeja--who I don't consider a specialist anything in T20) weren't good enough for quality international line-ups.

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I'm sick of all these discussions and argument. In my opinion, Dhoni, IPL Nights, no one is to blame. It is just that there are 8 teams and 4 have to get out no matter who they are.
Just think, South Africa which is a better team than India has too lost. Have they faced the same treatment by their boards?
Why do you all people behave like "India is the best team", "India should not lose" etc etc?

IMO, no one is to blame for this loss. If anything is to blame then it is the format of the game.

Nice to see a sane reaction. Yup, the format of the game is such that a lot depends on luck. Also, we just didn't come equipped to deal with the short balls, which we really should have expected after the last T20WC.

That said, apart from Australia and England, every single team here as struggled--India is not the only one.

 

[Prithvi]

What? Are you saying the 87 all out was in an effort to win the game? That happened because they weren't able to deal with the pace and bounce. On the same pitch against the same team, India were in a similar position and Rohit Sharma and Harbhajan Singh managed to stand up and give India a more realistic (although still impossible) shot at victory. You're also ignoring the fact that Mathews and Perera hit those sixes, whereas our batsmen could not. It had nothing to do with "30 runs in 2 overs" at that stage. We were 20 runs short to begin with.

Well wait! Rohit Sharma and Harbhajan Played well only because they were not facing Shaun Tait, or Dirk Nannes. They were facing medium pacers at that moment which made them go well. But scene for Sri Lanka was totally different.
The moment the pace attack started again, everyone had a ramp walk to Pavilion.

Actually, I was listening to Danny Morrison after the semifinal yesterday and the players were required to attend the IPL parties. According to him, though, they weren't required to stay for the duration, so the players should have shown their face and then head back. Realistically speaking, though, it would be very difficult to do that.

Hmm, but its PLAYERS, who can take decision. One word from Dhoni / Yuvraj / Sachin could have made it optional.

What were they going to do instead at night--go practice in the pace academy? You're really confusing things up here. Players are not digital objects--they're real people. You can't say, "go do X hours in the pace academy" and you'll become "Y units better'. It just doesn't work like that.

Hmm, why don't you skip "IPL NIGHTS" like how Symonds bunked "Practice session"? All that depends on players, not Modi or someone else.

Nice to see a sane reaction. Yup, the format of the game is such that a lot depends on luck. Also, we just didn't come equipped to deal with the short balls, which we really should have expected after the last T20WC.

Luck? Spoiling own game cannot be termed "BAD LUCK".
Ravindra Jadeje gave 3 sixes to Shane Watson just like a GIFT TBF!
I swear that even if I go and bowl there, would have rectified after he hit the second six.

 

[Varun]

Luck? Spoiling own game cannot be termed "BAD LUCK".
Ravindra Jadeje gave 3 sixes to Shane Watson just like a GIFT TBF!
I swear that even if I go and bowl there, would have rectified after he hit the second six.

Lol at your reaction! Have you ever thought how English countrymen would have felt when Yuvraj smashed Broad for 6 sixes?

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Luck? Spoiling own game cannot be termed "BAD LUCK".
Ravindra Jadeje gave 3 sixes to Shane Watson just like a GIFT TBF!
I swear that even if I go and bowl there, would have rectified after he hit the second six.

You would have repeated broad there

 

[Prithvi]

Lol at your reaction! Have you ever thought how English countrymen would have felt when Yuvraj smashed Broad for 6 sixes?

Hmm.. Its not just LUCK. His Raw Power played a major role there, not just luck!

You would have repeated broad there

Sorry! I guess you might have done it and you just mistake everything me for you.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

Sorry! I guess you might have done it and you just mistake everything me for you.

Hmmmm No I do not bowl just bat to hammer guys like you bowling

(Joke Nothing Serious)

 

[Varun]

Hmm.. Its not just LUCK. His Raw Power played a major role there, not just luck!

Then we can say that Shane Watson's Raw Power made it possible for him to hit 3 sixes off Jadeja.

 

[sohum]

Well wait! Rohit Sharma and Harbhajan Played well only because they were not facing Shaun Tait, or Dirk Nannes. They were facing medium pacers at that moment which made them go well. But scene for Sri Lanka was totally different.
The moment the pace attack started again, everyone had a ramp walk to Pavilion.

Rohit Sharma played well because he took the time to get settled and got rid of the pull shot.

Rohit Sharma scored:
20 runs from 10 balls vs. Nannes
5 runs from 7 balls vs. Tait
23 runs from 12 balls vs. Watson
12 runs from 7 balls vs. Johnson
19 runs from 10 balls vs. Smith

The only medium pacer I see there is Watson. The only guy he didn't really score off was Tait. So you're wrong about Rohit. Once he got his eye in, the boundaries came a lot easier, especially since the ground was so small. As for the tailenders, you can't really expect them to be able to deal with three 150+ bowlers.

Hmm, but its PLAYERS, who can take decision. One word from Dhoni / Yuvraj / Sachin could have made it optional.

What? Attending the parties was mandatory, from what I heard. That means its part of the IPL package. Mandatory doesn't mean by choice, it means compulsory.

Hmm, why don't you skip "IPL NIGHTS" like how Symonds bunked "Practice session"? All that depends on players, not Modi or someone else.

Because it was entertainment, after all. If you have the choice to go home and study all night or go home and watch TV all night, which one would you choose? Sure, the players could have had better discretion, but by making the IPL Nights mandatory, you weren't exactly encouraging them in the correct direction.

Luck? Spoiling own game cannot be termed "BAD LUCK".
Ravindra Jadeje gave 3 sixes to Shane Watson just like a GIFT TBF!
I swear that even if I go and bowl there, would have rectified after he hit the second six.

I doubt very much that you could have dealt with a rampaging Shane Watson any better than Ravi Jadeja. But that wasn't the point. Twenty20 is always about luck... that's just because it's shorter. That's not an excuse we can make for certain shortcomings such as team selection, ability to play short deliveries, etc. But to pretend like it doesn't factor in is shortsighted.

 

[TumTum]

Rohit Sharma played well because he took the time to get settled and got rid of the pull shot.

He was lucky he didn't get out at the start of his innings.

 

[Prithvi]

Then we can say that Shane Watson's Raw Power made it possible for him to hit 3 sixes off Jadeja.

You are mistaken there. The conditions are different!
Yuvraj Singh did that mayhem in South Africa and the world cup now is in West Indies.

You Cannot compare that event and this new one.

And wait!
Stuart Broad at that point did bowl at correct positions, and I'd like to say that its Yuvraj's talent, which made those six sixes possible, not due to mistake of Broad.

But Ravindra Jadeja's fault paved the way for these sixes, not Watson's talent.

Rohit Sharma played well because he took the time to get settled and got rid of the pull shot.

Rohit Sharma scored:
20 runs from 10 balls vs. Nannes
5 runs from 7 balls vs. Tait
23 runs from 12 balls vs. Watson
12 runs from 7 balls vs. Johnson
19 runs from 10 balls vs. Smith

The only medium pacer I see there is Watson. The only guy he didn't really score off was Tait. So you're wrong about Rohit. Once he got his eye in, the boundaries came a lot easier, especially since the ground was so small. As for the tailenders, you can't really expect them to be able to deal with three 150+ bowlers.

Hmm..

20 runs from 10 balls, off Nannes, Good job. Even I appreciate it:clap.
5 runs from 7 balls, off Shaun Tait, Ok! Not bad. Pitch was bouncy and Tait is a super fast express. Its difficult to play.
23 runs from 12 balls, excellent job there. 
12 runs from 7 balls, Not bad.
19 from 10, good performance.

The main thing here is he remained not out but on the other hand, his partners fell to Shaun Tait! Even Rohit's performance against Tait is not up to mark. And moreover He din't face Shaun Tait much. And thats the main reason why his knock was possible.

What? Attending the parties was mandatory, from what I heard. That means its part of the IPL package. Mandatory doesn't mean by choice, it means compulsory.

Well, if its mandatory, we can CLEANLY blame IPL.

Because it was entertainment, after all. If you have the choice to go home and study all night or go home and watch TV all night, which one would you choose? Sure, the players could have had better discretion, but by making the IPL Nights mandatory, you weren't exactly encouraging them in the correct direction.

Ok! I agree. If I have that choice, I'd chose to watch TV all the night.
But how long?

How many parties they attended? Are those many parties required?

Players have will to bunk practice sessions but not late night parties.

Even Practice sessions are mandatory!
But how could Andrew Symonds bunk it?

It all depends on what a player's will is, not if its a rule or something.

I doubt very much that you could have dealt with a rampaging Shane Watson any better than Ravi Jadeja. But that wasn't the point. Twenty20 is always about luck... that's just because it's shorter. That's not an excuse we can make for certain shortcomings such as team selection, ability to play short deliveries, etc. But to pretend like it doesn't factor in is shortsighted.

I'm satisfied, but those 3 sixes (which I said) are NOT based on luck.

 

[sohum]

He was lucky he didn't get out at the start of his innings.

He didn't give any chances, from what I recall. He swung wildly for the first 5-10 balls in his innings without making any contact. But from thereon it was mostly clean hitting. Luck plays a part in any innings--whether it is a Twenty20, ODI or Test cricket. He didn't get an extra dose of luck, such as a poor umpiring decision going his way or a catch being dropped, as far as I remember.

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20 runs from 10 balls, off Nannes, Good job. Even I appreciate it:clap.
5 runs from 7 balls, off Shaun Tait, Ok! Not bad. Pitch was bouncy and Tait is a super fast express. Its difficult to play.
23 runs from 12 balls, excellent job there. 
12 runs from 7 balls, Not bad.
19 from 10, good performance.

The main thing here is he remained not out but on the other hand, his partners fell to Shaun Tait! Even Rohit's performance against Tait is not up to mark. And moreover He din't face Shaun Tait much. And thats the main reason why his knock was possible.

I see that you have conveniently changed your argument, now. You were initially arguing that Rohit scored runs because he was facing easy bowlers, etc. "He didn't face Shaun Tait much..." Tait actually has the best economy in the tournament so far, giving away under 5 runs an over. So it's not only the Indian who have struggled against him. Also, a bowler only gets 4 overs by the laws of the game... you can't expect him to bowl every over.

How many parties they attended? Are those many parties required?

I don't have any numbers either way, do you? You seem to assume that the Indian cricketers attended every single IPL party and stayed till 4am. That may be the case but it just as easily might not be the case. The IPL argument, imo, is more about how much cricket was played in a concentrated amount of time, and how little time the team actually had to play with each other (that time being = 0). It's the BCCI's fault for once against having the IPL conclude so close to the World T20.

Players have will to bunk practice sessions but not late night parties.

Even Practice sessions are mandatory!
But how could Andrew Symonds bunk it?

Andrew Symonds does not play for Australia. Your argument would work if there was an Indian cricketer who went to every single IPL party and stayed late and missed practice sessions.

It all depends on what a player's will is, not if its a rule or something.

Except if it actually is a rule, wherein the player's propensity to break the rule is what needs to be measured. Besides, why would anyone break a rule that forced you to have fun? If your parents forced you to watch 4 hours of cricket every night or took away your allowance, would you eventually sacrifice your allowance?

I'm satisfied, but those 3 sixes (which I said) are NOT based on luck.

Jadeja's bowling was pathetic, agreed. But you can't pull up specific instances and measure luck. Luck doesn't have a unit. Twenty20 on the whole is a game where luck plays a large part. It's no coincidence that Twenty20 has thrown up more upsets between associate/weaker Test sides than in the last couple of years than probably in the history of ODI cricket.

 

[TumTum]

He didn't give any chances, from what I recall. He swung wildly for the first 5-10 balls in his innings without making any contact. But from thereon it was mostly clean hitting. Luck plays a part in any innings--whether it is a Twenty20, ODI or Test cricket. He didn't get an extra dose of luck, such as a poor umpiring decision going his way or a catch being dropped, as far as I remember.

Missing 5-10 balls is an "extra dose" of luck in my book. The guy really didn't deserve to get that score.

 

[Varun]

You are mistaken there. The conditions are different!
Yuvraj Singh did that mayhem in South Africa and the world cup now is in West Indies.

You Cannot compare that event and this new one.

And wait!
Stuart Broad at that point did bowl at correct positions, and I'd like to say that its Yuvraj's talent, which made those six sixes possible, not due to mistake of Broad.

But Ravindra Jadeja's fault paved the way for these sixes, not Watson's talent.

It needs talent even to hit poor bowls.

 

[Prithvi]

I still have some point to argue, but I'm leaving this thread due to my lack of good knowledge in English. I've got some good points to blame, but somehow or other, I respect team India as a team has to face both happy time and hard time, & as a Team India supporter, I don't want to continue this argument. I even support them, but only thing I was expecting from the team was they even should ACCEPT defeat true heartedly, which is not seen now- a- days in cricket (Mistake is not only with Indian Board and its players, everyone is similar).

I still support India, but the regional bias is being shown MUCH now- a- days.

Selection of Suresh Raina as Captain is :laugh stuff IMO.

Virat Kohli is far better than Suresh Raina.
Virat Kohli has proved many times. His captaincy lead Team India u-19 to clean sweep the ICC U-19 World Cup 2008 and even North Zone's Clean Sweep in Deodhar Trophy 2010.

Suresh Raina just skipped three - four matches for Chennai Super Kings under guidance of about 10-12 well internationally experienced people. So, Virat Kohli >>>> Suresh Raina!

And selection of Murali Vijay for ODI side is unfair after his failure in T20 WC. Manish Pandey/ Shreevats Goswami/ Manoj Tiwary/ Venugopal Rao would have been good.