India in Pakistan

[SaiSrini]

Some excellent post-match analysis by Imran Khan and Nasser Hussein along with Sanjay.

I think the point that Imran keeps hammering is that Pakistan have misused their resources and were employing the wrong strategy. I find that a little hard to digest as he doesn't seem too keen to credit India's performance. But that's understandable. I simply think that Pakistan didn't play well: simple as that. They tried a different approach in batting today, but it just didn't work thanks to the relentless pressure exerted by an all-seam Indian attack. I think Pakistan miss Harbhajan Singh (that's right Pakistan, not India! ) and miss the chance to hit the spinners out of the ground. The relentless pressure exerted by four seamers in slightly helpful conditions have found their batsmen short. I think that India got it perfectly right when they decided that the Pakistani weakness was their batting against seam bowling in slightly helpful conditions and played an all-seam attack.

But Nasser Hussein I think made some great observations. First of all, this Indian team needs to experiment a bit more and try and defend a target at Karachi. It's a gamble, but the series is in the bag and what better opportunity to develop a world cup squad then by testing these new players under different conditions.

India need to analyse exactly why they won and analyse any areas of concerns if necessary. Pakistan on the other hand, just need a win at Karachi to lift their spirits up.

I personally think that Younis Khan should be Pakistan's ODI captain and probably Inzamam should be retained as Test captain. Younis Khan is much more energetic on the field and his aggressive approach also works wonders on the team. We saw that in the Test Match at Karachi how this different approach produced a great result for Pakistan.

Yes! India need to think about defending a target at Karachi and see how they go! They did not do a bad job at it at Peshawar though I feel had they got 1-2 wickets EARLY at Peshawar, Pakistan would have definitely lost it there and would have been 4-0 down now!

To build the squad for the World Cup, we need to get used to winning in different conditions! Also I definitely feel the team order can be changed more for the World Cup. Ganguly can get back, Sehwag and Harbhajan will come back and we need to dump Agarkar and/or Zaheer Khan and see if we can get either of Munaf or VRV and also bring back Balaji! The team would look more balanced and strong then! Well we have to closely monitor Murali Kartik also. If he is not useful, get Chawla in as soon as possible!

 

[Gunner786]

where is balaji gone anyway?
hes the best out of the current bowlers on this tour i reckon!!

 

[SaiSrini]

The major difference was that the Pakistani batsmen who are so used to tonking around the Indian spinners in the middle overs were deprived of this benefit and the seamers maintained the pressure all the time. As I said before Pakistan badly missed Harbhajan Singh

I wont agree! Harbhajan is a lot more experienced and if you followed his recent ODI games, he was amazingly economical against Sri Lanka and South Africa who are aggressive players too (though not like Pakistan may be!). Harbhajan has been really economical in the ODI's against them and bowled a great line 'n length and troubled them. Though he had a forgettable test series, I feel his ODI form in the recent months would have definitely helped him do well.

and how long has it been since india won a series outside the subcontinent?

In 2005 against Zimbabwe in Zimbabwe!

India have not won the series outside the subcontinent you are right.But I am only answering to some of you guys who are saying that Pakistan underperformed, they
can't lose to India.If Pakistan is a champion side then prove it. I am not saying that India played well abroad but you can check the last three years record that we beat
the Australians in Australia and England in England. We nearly won the test series in
Australia, we gave them a tough fight at there home. Now could you please tell me
when Pakistan team won the test match in Australia. India performs better then any other sub continent teams abroad.

no, dont use such words. we didnt beat australia in australia, we drew with them. yes that a big achievement enough which many teams are not able to do! we drew with england in england also. but this is a different indian team.

we need to work out the saurav ganguly issue really soon. didnt you guys see the difference it made when this issue wasnt in the headlines for the ODI series? India were not facing this pressure and did really well without the pressure. In the tests abroad (outside India) when we play, we should not have this issue burning always! It puts the whole team under undue stress. Either Ganguly plays until he retires or he packs his bags now and quits cricket forever! He has to be asked to do it if the board and the selectors want him to!

where is balaji gone anyway?
hes the best out of the current bowlers on this tour i reckon!!

i heard somewhere that he was treating his injury! but he should be back soon!

they arent talking about old teams like 50 years ago!!
they are talking about the teams competing in this series!!
and in this series pakistan is the superior team,
when inzi,yousof score less than 10 then that is underperforming!!
we only need one of these 2 to click and we will win the match!!

Thats not the sign of a good team gambino! Winning should be a team effort. Winning just becoz of a few performances is not good enough for the team. Thats what India did in those years when Tendulkar alone won matches for India and his dismissal sparked off a collapse followed by defeat!

 

[gaurav_indian]

saisrini80 winning against Zim is not an achievment and I never count this as a abroad win.

 

[Wahindiawah]

Australia, we gave them a tough fight at there home. Now could you please tell me
when Pakistan team won the test match in Australia. India performs better then any other sub continent teams abroad.

But then Pakistan have been beating England in England since some time (though last series was a draw).

Its a well known fact that Pak plays better cricket abroad, and they suxs while playing on homeground.India's overseas record is pathetic!

 

[cheaterr]

If Dravid wins the toss now he should choose batting first. Want to see some action shot of Dhoni Pathan Yuvi Ghambhir and ofcourse Raina( Agressive player as he showed today). And score above 300 if the pitch is flat then.

 

[Wahindiawah]

Some excellent post-match analysis by Imran Khan and Nasser Hussein along with Sanjay.

I think the point that Imran keeps hammering is that Pakistan have misused their resources and were employing the wrong strategy. I find that a little hard to digest as he doesn't seem too keen to credit India's performance. .

Its a combination of India playing good cricket and Pak playing terrible cricket and being led by a inefficient man.

Its misuse of resourses to send your best batsman at 6th slot, and the second and third best at 4th and 5th, something which Inzi still haven't understood.

What is the point of playing Younis when he's made to bat at number 4-5?? Why Can't Inzi shows guts like Sachin and Dravid and bat at all important one down slot??

As Imran said its easier to avoid a crisis than to actually deal with it.

India certainly played well and deserve to win the series, but Inzi made their job much easier by some unimaginative and gutsless captaincy.

I don't think Pak can progress much under Inzi, the guy is a real coward.

 

[Gunner786]

Its a combination of India playing good cricket and Pak playing terrible cricket and being led by a inefficient man.

Its misuse of resourses to send your best batsman at 6th slot, and the second and third best at 4th and 5th, something which Inzi still haven't understood.

What is the point of playing Younis when he's made to bat at number 4-5?? Why Can't Inzi shows guts like Sachin and Dravid and bat at all important one down slot??

As Imran said its easier to avoid a crisis than to actually deal with it.

India certainly played well and deserve to win the series, but Inzi made their job much easier by some unimaginative and gutsless captaincy.

I don't think Pak can progress much under Inzi, the guy is a real coward.

so are you saying inzi isnt responsible for the team unity and the results of the past 2 years,
not losing a test and odi series since australia and only losing a odi series now?

 

[Wahindiawah]

so are you saying inzi isnt responsible for the team unity and the results of the past 2 years,
not losing a test and odi series since australia and only losing a odi series now?

The test series that Pak won against India was captained by Younis and not Inzi.

I believe that Younis should lead Pak OD side and Inzi can skip the test side.

Younis is a motivator, a better tactician and though he isn't a great batsman , but since he's an integral part of Pak OD team, he should be better utilized as a Skipper who also bats up the order, rather than an ordinary player who is wasted down the order.

Inzi is stubborn, he has refused to listen to Imran,A sohail, naseer and continue to send bits and pieces player up the order and the specialist batsmen down the order.The guy is also master of excuses and never admits his own mistake.

Many people made comparisons b/w Afridi and Dhoni or Sehwag.Dhoni and Sehwag both have played some match winning knocks for India.But Afridi only scores when there are so much runs on the board. Take the example of first two test matches where Afridi came to bat when Pakistan have already 400 runs on the board.
But when Pakistan were in trouble in third test match he failed.
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Afridi has usually opened the innings for Pakistan and have given them a good start, so its not always the case off Afridi scoring runs when Pak had a good total.Ofcourse, he's not the crises man for Pakistan, that hapen to be Razzak,Akmal and Malik.

And Dhoni is more often compared with Akmal, and in Test match Dhoni did score when India were in good position, but failed when India were in trouble.In contrast Akmal scored a century when Pakistan were in total disarray!!

I really don't see much into this man to man comparison though.

 

[asifplaya]

yoo guys u know we beat ashes thread and pak vs ind thread is the best i am happy as hell. i think next game pak gonna win i think.

 

[Wahindiawah]

I think Pak are down and will lose the next one too.

Inzi should take a break and Younis should lead Pak in the next one, Pak should drop Butt,Rana Naveed and bring in Hameed and some other pacer in place of Rana

 

[SaiSrini]

saisrini80 winning against Zim is not an achievment and I never count this as a abroad win.

That was a statistical record to show off becoz gambino's statement was "when was india's last win outside the sub continent" and technically, its zimbabwe. but i also dont consider it an achievement!

If Dravid wins the toss now he should choose batting first. Want to see some action shot of Dhoni Pathan Yuvi Ghambhir and ofcourse Raina( Agressive player as he showed today). And score above 300 if the pitch is flat then.

I think Karachi is going to be a belter! And as we saw in the test match that ended recently, there might be something off the wicket and from the conditions too that favor the pacemen! So far on both the matches at Lahore and Rawalpindi, both teams have had fantastic conditions which have been evenly balanced. Both teams new ball bowlers were able to move the ball, swing and seam it around! If Karachi remains to be the same, then India should test itself batting first, piling up a total close to 300 and try to bowl Pakistan out! Even if we lose no problem, but we should show that we have the same intensity with which we won the series!

I think Pak are down and will lose the next one too.

Inzi should take a break and Younis should lead Pak in the next one, Pak should drop Butt,Rana Naveed and bring in Hameed and some other pacer in place of Rana

i too think the same! they seem demoralised! they didnt know what would work out best for them here at multan. whether to go on the attack or to build a solid platform. both didnt work. they look clueless. its best time for india to wrap up another comprehensive 4-1 victory to add to their 6-1 thumping of sri lanka!

yoo guys u know we beat ashes thread and pak vs ind thread is the best i am happy as hell. i think next game pak gonna win i think.

i dont care if we beat other threads!

but this series has been fairly engrossing! the first two tests were dead boring but the tour came to life with the first day of the third test and has never looked back since! it has been terrific! the ODI series has been hardly fought! even though the result says india are winning it comprehensively, it doesnt suggest the actual situation! pakistan have troubled india at times and at times, india have got away from tough situations with some great cricket!

great tour indeed! i would say this tour has been a success story for india though not quite similar to the 2004 one! here even in the tests, we played well except for that 2 days in the final test where we bowled badly and we lost too many wickets when we should have put our heads down and looked to have batted out the rest of the test match! india batted supremely in the first two test matches and batted better than pakistan. we had the edge over pakistan in the first two tests becoz it was all about who batted better and we were the ones who batted better!

 

[MohdIrshaad]

great tour indeed! i would say this tour has been a success story for india though not quite similar to the 2004 one! here even in the tests, we played well except for that 2 days in the final test where we bowled badly and we lost too many wickets when we should have put our heads down and looked to have batted out the rest of the test match! india batted supremely in the first two test matches and batted better than pakistan. we had the edge over pakistan in the first two tests becoz it was all about who batted better and we were the ones who batted better!

Its actually all about the result of the match or the series, and the result was the that they lost the last match by one of the biggest margin ever while first two test were draws.Its really irrelevant if a side lost fewer wkts in a highly scoring draws!

As far as Test series were concerned, it was a failure for India, while as far as OD series were concerned , it was success.

 

[SaiSrini]

Its actually all about the result of the match or the series, and the result was the that they lost the last match by one of the biggest margin ever while first two test were draws.Its really irrelevant if a side lost fewer wkts in a highly scoring draws!

As far as Test series were concerned, it was a failure for India, while as far as OD series were concerned , it was success.

i defiitely agree that the test series is a failure for india! but there is no real reason why we should press the panic button just because we lost a single test of the whole 3-test series! the signs were there that we did well in parts in the test series!

 

[Pak_cricketer]

Inzi has a very impressive track record, A 60% percent rate is the higher than most captains today including Ricky Ponting who has a success rate of 53%.

Pakistan have looked way better than ever before, as This team has won almost all of the tours since Pakistan were in Australia. That was 1 and a half years from now. We have never been a stornger team!