India may not play in the Champions trophy-2017

[Satan666]

Not sure if you guys have been following the recent developments between the BCCI and ICC with regard to a new financial mode. The chart (via cricinfo) sums up perfectly both sides.

India may use the ICC Champs Trophy scheduled to start in just 5 weeks as a possible bargaining chip to have their way. Please discuss here the pros and cons of India not playing in this tournament. Also feel free to discuss the financial model proposed, want to point out the BCCI's desire to allow 0% revenues (ZERO/NIL/NADA/NONE) to the Associate nations, thereby preventing the spread of the game internationally!

For the mods please leave this thread active, think it can encourage discussion and dint make sense posting it in the Team India super mega thread or the inactive ICC threads. Also anticipating to read the views from the Indian members such as would you rather see another month of IPL with little to no international stars or have Virat Kohli lead the Indian team to the Champions Trophy?

 

[Gaurav_7]

BCCI are such greedy bastards! I will definitely hate if India don't participate in CT. I don't care about the IPL tbh. It is just not the type of Cricket where you can be passionate about it. Seeing India is a different feeling altogether. Yeah the financial success of this competition depends on India's participation but if they don't then be it. I am sure the local public will be fed up way too quickly if we don't get many international matches featuring India. No body is going to watch the IPL for the whole year. These two months are a pain as is.

 

[CerealKiller]

The BCCI will be hated in India as well as everywhere else if they pull out from the ICC events from 2017 to 2023.

 

[Satan666]

After perusing numerous documents over the last 72hrs dating as far back to 2012 (The Woolf Report) I am of the firm belief that this is an orchestrated act between the ICC/BCCI to have the COA be removed, call it speculative of course since cant be proved, but as with other evil/wrongful acts they will get exposed!

 

[Yash.]

Seriously, BCCI?

 

[Bluebagger]

Kick them out of the ICC and let them live off the IPL

 

[Till Valhalla]

Kick them out of the ICC and let them live off the IPL

ICC will die.

 

[asprin]

Kick them out of the ICC and let them live off the IPL

Yeh, kick out the one board which brings in the majority of $$ for the ICC.

Not a supporter of what BCCI is doing but statements like the above really paint a different picture.

 

[Satan666]

ICC will die.

Not really, cricket will continue without India and we can open up markets in the Associate nations, lets face it with the big 3 model the Associate nations were being stifled and cricket was being contained amongs the few test playing nations, even going into the Olympics was an issue from this arrangement. If its anything cricket will die in India and I hope my fellow Indian fans are aware of this.......everyone gonna be bored by following the IPL all year around, void of international stars.

 

[Satan666]

Yeh, kick out the one board which brings in the majority of $$ for the ICC.

Not a supporter of what BCCI is doing but statements like the above really point a different picture.

A different picture? With the way the Big 3 model is set up you cant blame anyone for despising the Indian administration. If India are indeed isolated I would feel very sad, wont even have anything to post on these forums! However they continue to bully others and disrespect international teams, that revenue they bring in is due to international series played. Probably they need a couple years isolation, rid of Srinivasan and start a new.

 

[Satan666]

Hey guys a nice article from TOI, decided to paste in full for quick accesss for anyne trying to pick up on the story thus far!


Can India pull out of ICC Champions Trophy 2017?
Yes, they can, if a majority of the BCCI members agree upon it.

How will it happen?
The BCCI has a Special General Meeting (SGM) on Sunday (May 7) to discuss the revenue and governance structure decisions taken during the ICC meet in Dubai late last month. If put to vote, a 2/3rd majority is needed for India to pull out of the Champions Trophy.

What led to the possibility of an India pull-out?
BCCI is displeased with the proposed new revenue distribution model of ICC, with its share being slashed from a current $570 million to a projected $293 million. The board also rejected ICC Chairman Shashank Manohar's offer of an additional $100 million. Additionally, the ICC has also decided to do away with the 'Big Three' governance structure which reduces BCCI's stronghold in ICC.

Why is it 'ICC vs BCCI vs CoA'?
BCCI's action plan is to send a legal notice to ICC regarding the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). BCCI Secretary Amitabh Choudhary, along with a few former board presidents (Anurag Thakur, N Srinivasan), is adamant on sending a notice to 'protect BCCI's interests' or, in other words, threaten to pull India out of the Champions Trophy.
The Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) prevented BCCI from sending a notice before the SGM takes place. The CoA is the only power within BCCI to send any legal notices, for now. Choudhary had insisted that the notice has to be sent at the earliest and that 23 members have agreed to it. It is yet to be seen if the same numbers reflect if and when it is put to vote during the SGM.

What is the MPA?
It is a legally binding document that was signed by ICC and its members in 2014. In the MPA, BCCI has clauses protecting its interests, which if breached can lead to BCCI revoking from the MPA. The BCCI views the changes in revenue sharing and governance structure as a threat to their interests. And so, are ready to send out a notice to the ICC threatening to pull out of the Champions Trophy.

What would be the possible repercussions of that?
If India pull out of the Champions Trophy, it will be a loss-loss situation for both the parties. ICC stands to lose a substantial amount of money from gate-revenue, sponsors etc. The broadcasters, who are important stakeholders, will stand to lose a significant amount of money as well. BCCI, too, will lose an estimated $500 million if the pull out happens.

Why will BCCI lose money?
If India revoke the MPA, it not only means a pull out from Champions Trophy 2017 but also from all ICC events for the cycle 2015-23. This means India will lose out on hosting two ICC tournaments - the Champions Trophy in 2021 and 2023 World Cup - in this period. A host nation not only gets funds for hosting but also gets a sizeable amount of revenue through supporting sources such as sponsorship, broadcast deals etc.

Can the BCCI afford to go through with their threat?
As of now, the move is only to send a notice to the ICC and try to pressurise them into going back on the reforms made. For BCCI to go through with the move, they will need a majority of the state associations to support the idea in the SGM.

How likely is to happen?
There have been various reports citing a split within BCCI as regards to a pull-out. Reportedly, 23 member associations including the HPCA, TNCA, JSCA are in favour of sending a notice to ICC. Some others like the Tripura Cricket Association, the Vidarbha Cricket Association, Maharashtra Cricket Association and the Cricket Club of India are against the drastic step
If there is no majority decision in favour of the pull-out, it means BCCI will have agreed upon the revised ICC structures as well as that India will participate in the Champions Trophy.

Can the CoA prevent BCCI from pulling out?
Not directly. The CoA can only ensure that all due processes are followed while any resolution/decision is taken in the SGM. A majority vote in the SGM is not in breach of any rules of the BCCI constitution. However, CoA has already said that they will approach the Supreme Court if they feel that the decision taken is not in the best interests of Indian cricket.



India's Champions Trophy participation - FAQs answered | Cricbuzz.com

 

[Targaryen]

Hey guys a nice article from TOI, decided to paste in full for quick accesss for anyne trying to pick up on the story thus far!


Can India pull out of ICC Champions Trophy 2017?
Yes, they can, if a majority of the BCCI members agree upon it.

How will it happen?
The BCCI has a Special General Meeting (SGM) on Sunday (May 7) to discuss the revenue and governance structure decisions taken during the ICC meet in Dubai late last month. If put to vote, a 2/3rd majority is needed for India to pull out of the Champions Trophy.

What led to the possibility of an India pull-out?
BCCI is displeased with the proposed new revenue distribution model of ICC, with its share being slashed from a current $570 million to a projected $293 million. The board also rejected ICC Chairman Shashank Manohar's offer of an additional $100 million. Additionally, the ICC has also decided to do away with the 'Big Three' governance structure which reduces BCCI's stronghold in ICC.

Why is it 'ICC vs BCCI vs CoA'?
BCCI's action plan is to send a legal notice to ICC regarding the Members Participation Agreement (MPA). BCCI Secretary Amitabh Choudhary, along with a few former board presidents (Anurag Thakur, N Srinivasan), is adamant on sending a notice to 'protect BCCI's interests' or, in other words, threaten to pull India out of the Champions Trophy.
The Supreme Court-appointed Committee of Administrators (CoA) prevented BCCI from sending a notice before the SGM takes place. The CoA is the only power within BCCI to send any legal notices, for now. Choudhary had insisted that the notice has to be sent at the earliest and that 23 members have agreed to it. It is yet to be seen if the same numbers reflect if and when it is put to vote during the SGM.

What is the MPA?
It is a legally binding document that was signed by ICC and its members in 2014. In the MPA, BCCI has clauses protecting its interests, which if breached can lead to BCCI revoking from the MPA. The BCCI views the changes in revenue sharing and governance structure as a threat to their interests. And so, are ready to send out a notice to the ICC threatening to pull out of the Champions Trophy.

What would be the possible repercussions of that?
If India pull out of the Champions Trophy, it will be a loss-loss situation for both the parties. ICC stands to lose a substantial amount of money from gate-revenue, sponsors etc. The broadcasters, who are important stakeholders, will stand to lose a significant amount of money as well. BCCI, too, will lose an estimated $500 million if the pull out happens.

Why will BCCI lose money?
If India revoke the MPA, it not only means a pull out from Champions Trophy 2017 but also from all ICC events for the cycle 2015-23. This means India will lose out on hosting two ICC tournaments - the Champions Trophy in 2021 and 2023 World Cup - in this period. A host nation not only gets funds for hosting but also gets a sizeable amount of revenue through supporting sources such as sponsorship, broadcast deals etc.

Can the BCCI afford to go through with their threat?
As of now, the move is only to send a notice to the ICC and try to pressurise them into going back on the reforms made. For BCCI to go through with the move, they will need a majority of the state associations to support the idea in the SGM.

How likely is to happen?
There have been various reports citing a split within BCCI as regards to a pull-out. Reportedly, 23 member associations including the HPCA, TNCA, JSCA are in favour of sending a notice to ICC. Some others like the Tripura Cricket Association, the Vidarbha Cricket Association, Maharashtra Cricket Association and the Cricket Club of India are against the drastic step
If there is no majority decision in favour of the pull-out, it means BCCI will have agreed upon the revised ICC structures as well as that India will participate in the Champions Trophy.

Can the CoA prevent BCCI from pulling out?
Not directly. The CoA can only ensure that all due processes are followed while any resolution/decision is taken in the SGM. A majority vote in the SGM is not in breach of any rules of the BCCI constitution. However, CoA has already said that they will approach the Supreme Court if they feel that the decision taken is not in the best interests of Indian cricket.



India's Champions Trophy participation - FAQs answered | Cricbuzz.com

Yeah. I read that article yesterday and I think India won't pull out from CT. To pull out from the tournament, they have to go against(any appropriate word instead) MPA. If they do so, they will not have any rights in participating in ICC tournaments till 2023. And India will lose 2 main events which will be the big loss for both ICC and BCCI.

Just for that extra 230 Million would they pull out from the tournament for 6 years losing everything?

 

[Satan666]

Yeah. I read that article yesterday and I think India won't pull out from CT. To pull out from the tournament, they have to go against(any appropriate word instead) MPA. If they do so, they will not have any rights in participating in ICC tournaments till 2023. And India will lose 2 main events which will be the big loss for both ICC and BCCI.

Just for that extra 230 Million would they pull out from the tournament for 6 years losing everything?

Money is one but also they have issues with the proposed governance changes. Logically you wont expect India to pull out because they stand to suffer the most but its more than money and governance rather with the COA control and hence Srinivasan and co. are gonna exploit the situation. We'll see what happns later when the SGM is concluded, my thinking though is this gonna end up in the Supreme Court.

 

[Bluebagger]

ICC will die.

No it won't world cricket doesn't need India at all. Kicking them out reduces the scheduling work load and enables associates to get more game time which is a win/win for all involved.

 

[Targaryen]

There you go! It is most likely to take place and the final decision will be announced after SGM meeting today. Team selection is scheduled to take place on Monday (tomorrow).

India will play the Champions Trophy: C.K. Khanna - The Hindu