It was his decision or his teams if they won I doubt
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It was his decision or his teams if they won I doubt
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Pant has been quite sloppy behind the wickets in this T20 series against BD
Saha's selection for Tests seems to be a very good decision, because keeping wise even a not 100% Saha seems better than Pant at his best
Saha's selection for Tests seems to be a very good decision, because keeping wise even a not 100% Saha seems better than Pant at his best
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The latter has loads of experience and has played about 100+ First class matches and 200+ List A games(including T20). Obviously he would be better. I feel like we are being too harsh on Pant considering a player like Dhoni was very average with his keeping in the first 2 years of his career and you see where he reached at the end. He just needs experience and support.
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If the BCCI were a more competent and smart organisation, they would allow a few Indian players to participate in the BBL seeing that the World Cup next year will be held in Australia with it's own unique challenges of big boundaries and bouncy pitches. A small list of players that would surely benefit from the top of my head...
- Dhawan. An aggressive opener in ODIs, he has looked out of nick in recent T20Is and has in general been a more conservative player in T20s for some reason. A stint with one of the Melbourne clubs where he currently resides could help him rediscover his aggressive style. Overseas openers aren't usually in demand but having a world class batsman like Dhawan would surely tempt any franchise, even if he is only present for a short period.
- Pant. If he isn't going to take any break, he is on track to being dropped soon and left to languish in the domestic scene for a while. What better to rejuvenate than play in front of capacity crowds that took a huge liking to him last summer for his antics? Will surely be in demand given the lack of aggressive domestic batsmen proficient versus spin to bat in the middle overs for most teams.
- Sundar. Overseas spinners have always been a big success in the BBL due to the lack of domestic options and someone like Sundar who can bowl in the powerplay will be in high demand. Did I mention that he has the potential to be a pinch-hitter too?
- Krunal. Seems to have lost that extra gear of aggression that made people believe that he was a better batsman than his brother once upon a time. Can bowl four overs of accurate, handy spin and is a fine fielder too. What's not to like?
- Saini. A player that wouldn't really be in demand given that the Aussies aren't really bereft of domestic options, but Saini is a genuine quick who had a reasonable IPL and could be of use to a team that needs some serious pace.
- Deepak Chahar. Not as quick as his compatriot, but Chahar is a wily bowler who is quickly becoming a lot more versatile rather than be limited to an opening bowler who relies on swing. Has been extremely crucial to CSK over the last two years and that experience might tempt a side to nab him.
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Do you think that someone like KL Rahul can be benefited by it as well. I do feel if he gets more of T20 Cricket under his belt he would surely be more confident and would surely help him become a 3-format player for the years to come.
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Absolutely spot on! I understand that brand value is everything, but imagine you allowing these players to play in BBL, India somehow end up winning the WC and that again igniting interest in IPL? Its a win win situation. One season will do no harm at all.
I also feel really bad for Rishabh Pant, the way he is handled is terrifying. Not everyone is a Yuvraj or a Sachin or a Dhoni who will handle media pressure well. Also remember, growing up Dhoni, Sachin or a Yuvraj did not have to face criticism on Social Media. You could easily turn the tv off, not read the papers and go on about your day practicing hard. With social media, its tough.. now instead of 15-20 TV media houses, you also have a billion people judging you, criticizing you, give you opinions when people who are sitting home like me and you have no bollocks about whats happening to your physical and mental state.
I hope all cricketers can find their inner peace somehow some day and be just them CRICKETERS.
Bevab
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Absolutely! The only reason why I didn’t put his name up there was because I believed he would have been wanting to play in Ranji Trophy to reclaim his test spot in the hypothetical scenario.
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I am so glad that Rishabh Pant has failed miserably. Hopefully he never plays for India again. Unfortunately, the likes of Bumrah and Hardik will now be backed in an even more biased fashion than they were previously, just so the nationalist government and BCCI can retain the primacy of the show-off, vile IPL. The way Bumrah was upgraded to Tests in front of Umesh was an absolute disgrace, something I'll never forget. Here's hoping that the media bias towards Bumrah and Pant has ended.
Hmm... The tone of this post, eerily reminds me of that guy "bumrahfan" who used to post sarcasm after sarcasm because he thought everyone here was scheming evil against his favorites (even though some of his favorites like Bumrah made us all eat humble pie).
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I don't see any sarcasm in it to be honest. Those are just his poor views. I mean how on Earth can you be happy when a player full of talent and potential fails on a big stage. Just pathetic !!!
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Not quite amused seeing twitter reactions towards Prithvi Shaw's gesture. An ugly place really ! Seriously the Indian fans need to chill and mind their own business rather than criticizing our future stars who are talent wise even better than our current side. They need to be given the space to be themselves. People always talk about how Sachin behaved and how Dravid behaved but are everyone meant to be the same ? Then they come up with statements like Cricket is a gentleman's game. They first need to behave like gentlemen themselves. The Indian lot of fans of the social media are one of the worst groups who are there to troll and criticize their opponents and come up with random stats and prove their stupid theories which doesn't make sense one bit. When Maxwell took the decision to take some break from Cricket regarding his mental issues the Indian set of fans were literally calling him retarded and laughing and behaving like they are doing something really cool.
They first trolled KL Rahul regarding his form and that KWK show, then they trolled Rishabh Pant regarding his batting and keeping and now they have come on to Prithvi Shaw.
With me belonging to the age group of players like Pant and Shaw I can clearly understand what they are being going through. I can understand the amount of frustration they are being going through. With so much criticism around it feels like you run away somewhere and live in a place where nobody knows you much so that you can do what you like and nobody will come and judge you. But then you feel like what about the dreams, the passion and the ambition you have with the place where you stay.
Honestly there is not solution to it. You would silence 1 person, you will silence 1,000 people and you will even silence 10,000 but how will you silence billion others ? You just need to take it and move on with it is the only solution. People will keep saying whatever they want to. You just need to be yourself.
They first trolled KL Rahul regarding his form and that KWK show, then they trolled Rishabh Pant regarding his batting and keeping and now they have come on to Prithvi Shaw.
With me belonging to the age group of players like Pant and Shaw I can clearly understand what they are being going through. I can understand the amount of frustration they are being going through. With so much criticism around it feels like you run away somewhere and live in a place where nobody knows you much so that you can do what you like and nobody will come and judge you. But then you feel like what about the dreams, the passion and the ambition you have with the place where you stay.
Honestly there is not solution to it. You would silence 1 person, you will silence 1,000 people and you will even silence 10,000 but how will you silence billion others ? You just need to take it and move on with it is the only solution. People will keep saying whatever they want to. You just need to be yourself.
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MSK Prasad and Team want to go out on a high, and high they are!!! Samson excluded from the T20I squad despite not being given a single game against Bangladesh in that T20I series. And Samson knows the "3D glasses of Rayudu" issue and very smartly posts a laughing smiley on his Twitter account.
I know people have special fantasies about Rishabh Pant, but he has been consistently inconsistent and this has been happening for a very long time now. Its time others are given a chance and have Pant fight for his spot. Looks like under this captain-coach combine, certain people are given long runs but certain others are given very strict and tight timelines.
Anyways this's just a typical rant, that I will probably rant again sometime in the future!
I know people have special fantasies about Rishabh Pant, but he has been consistently inconsistent and this has been happening for a very long time now. Its time others are given a chance and have Pant fight for his spot. Looks like under this captain-coach combine, certain people are given long runs but certain others are given very strict and tight timelines.
Anyways this's just a typical rant, that I will probably rant again sometime in the future!
I understand your frustration with Pant and I have the same frustration with him. However, we can't ignore the fact that Sanu Samson does not fit in current T20 line-up of India. Which position do you want him to bat? We have Dhawan opening even though it should be KL Rahul. The other opener being Rohit who is a lock in that position. Virat at 3 and Iyer at 4 is now a certainty with how Iyer has performed recently. Any position after 4 is not for Sanju Samson because he is not a power player like Pant. He needs to bat in top 3 to get the best out of him and that is simply not possible in the current Indian line-up. That's where I feel Pant is very lucky and he is getting these chances because even though apart from being supremely talented, he doesn't have any competition for his spot. The only realistic competition for Pant right now is from Ishan Kishan but he isn't doing that well right now either. So even though it is frustrating to see Pant wasting his opportunity one after another, it's very unlikely that he will dropped. In the dugout during the last T20 with Bangladesh, both Anil Kumble and VVS Laxman said that it will be very difficult to take Pant to Australia for T20 WC if he keeps performing like this and that is true. As I said though, he doesn't have any real competition to challenge him.
I have raised this in another thread, but why can't we look at Saha as a Limited- overs keeper for India? I think, he is the safest pair of hands behind the wicket at the moment and has the game to up the ante whenever required. True, you will not see him bat the way MSD used to (in his hey days); but he is better than MSD and Pant at present. Pant goes out in a hurry (similar to Afridi's batting), whereas MSD has taken his game to the pre-1990's test match era.
Sanju is an interesting case. He is a classical keeper much in the realm of a Kumar Sangakarra. I'd have him in the team any day over Pant cause Sanju will give me the flexibility to bat him anywhere in the lineup.
I am also not sure that I agree with the assessment of Sanju not being a power player. He can turn on his game as and when required. Plus, how many power players do you actually need in your side? We already have Rohit (towards the end of the innings),Kohli, Hardik and Jadeja. Fitting Samson in the side isn't difficult. Note that Pant's major role is to keep wickets; even that is tough for him as he fumbles a lot behind the stumps.
When MSD came in, India certainly did not have a power player. He changed the outlook of the side by complementing and balancing it then. Today, you don't need a keeper who has to score heavily. What we need is a keeper who can keep well, batting is secondary. (much like Tim Paine, Mo Rizwan)
Sanju is an interesting case. He is a classical keeper much in the realm of a Kumar Sangakarra. I'd have him in the team any day over Pant cause Sanju will give me the flexibility to bat him anywhere in the lineup.
I am also not sure that I agree with the assessment of Sanju not being a power player. He can turn on his game as and when required. Plus, how many power players do you actually need in your side? We already have Rohit (towards the end of the innings),Kohli, Hardik and Jadeja. Fitting Samson in the side isn't difficult. Note that Pant's major role is to keep wickets; even that is tough for him as he fumbles a lot behind the stumps.
When MSD came in, India certainly did not have a power player. He changed the outlook of the side by complementing and balancing it then. Today, you don't need a keeper who has to score heavily. What we need is a keeper who can keep well, batting is secondary. (much like Tim Paine, Mo Rizwan)
