India Team Discussion
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fellow indian fans as a former indian cricket supporter I ask you this -what drives you to still support the indian team despite repeated failures? considering the time, funds, manpower we got we were, are and will be a lacklustre team. if you are happy with the indian team being third or fourth best then that explains it. i mean we are losing to a rugby nation (nz), a nation that plays cricket only for half the year , a nation that doesnt play cricket as much (pak) and more recently bangladesh and srilanka (occasionally), south africa , england among others. we are in fact incapable of even criticizing a guy who hasnt scored a century for more than three years. we persist with expired talents such as kohli and dhoni (who cost us a worldcup). there is no anderson/steyn/lee/akram in our ranks (future and present). we are a mediocre bowling unit for more than 3 decades (cant understand why). as a young kid I was angry/frustrated when india lost important matches and SENA games. but as time went by it became obvious that I was loosing my time thinking about 1 cr package waste baggages in the indian team. I moved on and any games lost today dont matter anymore and I am more peaceful than ever. do you guys ever think this way? because if most of the ardent ICT fans did then BCCI will finally yield due to lack of support and do necessary changes to make ICT no.1.
Bevab
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I swear I’ve seen this exact style of posting from some other account in the past.
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Mate your criticisms have coherency and an internal consistent logic at the least. That post is just absolute shambles.
They have two losses against Pakistan in their last seven meetings and the only losses to Sri Lanka in the last five years came when they played a bunch of bowlers in the B/C Team due to COVID when Krunal was leading, the Asia Cup and one T20I this year. The post isn’t even factually right. That bit about not having Anderson or Lee is also laughable when they’re both completely different bowlers in every aspect imaginable.
lmao. knew it would be hard for knuckleheads. but I will try. ( nice dodging the heart of the question- why India cannot dominate despite having it all.) Krunal or not - considering what his brother said about winning with two sets of players- that is just comical seeing them lose. Who compared Lee and Akram lol? This fella has clearly poor comprehension skills. I will break this down for you - why doesn't India have world class bowlers in its lineup- previous iterations, the present team and the future squads. Maybe stop teabagging and try responding in a sensible fashion.
No one cares about India loosing a game or two against teams like Srilanka or Bangladesh IF they exhibit exemplary performance year round. World cups and other ICC event wins are few and far in between, series wins in NZ, SA and Eng seem a distant reality. players like umesh, shardul thakur still feature in the team. Kohli is untouchable despite repeated failures while his contemporaries have stretched the lead/closed the gap. Consistent wins define a world class team which is something India is struggling with.
No one cares about India loosing a game or two against teams like Srilanka or Bangladesh IF they exhibit exemplary performance year round. World cups and other ICC event wins are few and far in between, series wins in NZ, SA and Eng seem a distant reality. players like umesh, shardul thakur still feature in the team. Kohli is untouchable despite repeated failures while his contemporaries have stretched the lead/closed the gap. Consistent wins define a world class team which is something India is struggling with.
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Ok, keep the name calling out of this forum please, perhaps you forgot this is PlanetCricket and not your X or Facebook.
Now lets talk based on stats cause the NZ, SA, ENG irked me a littler. Lets talk overall stats since 2019 WC
| Format | Match | Won | Lost | Tied/Draw/NR |
| Test | 39 | 23 | 11 | 5 |
| T20 | 76 | 51 | 20 | 5 |
| ODI's | 54 | 32 | 19 | 3 |
What defines success? On one end we want to play international cricket, we want to reduce franchise cricket and looking at all those number up I think Team India did just fine. Positive win ration across format. During the same time we reached 2019 semi-finals, 2 World Test Championship finals, won 2 test series down under which you conveniently ignored in your DISTANT REALITY line, came really close to winning a series in South Africa, played poorly in New Zealand and tied the last series in England while still dominating at HOME which none other team is able to do.
So as a fan yes I want us to win the trophy and bring it home but I want them to compete, I want to them to atleast reach Semi-Finals and Finals which they have consistently done except the T20 WC of 2022.
So players like Shardul, Umesh have been part of victories that have given us a lot of joy, players like Kohli are untouchable and so was Sachin back in the days when he was out of form for years. Oh we would not even qualify for semi's back then.
So I am sorry if you do not think this is a world class team, I beg to differ. The only part I agree is yes WE NEED to win trophies and get over the line and we will just like Kohli's century drought.
Now if you want to continue discussing, please be polite, name calling and insults wont do any good on this part.
Bevab
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I’m surprised he’s still up, pretty sure he‘s someone who used to post here in a different guise.
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But nah don’t you see since India didn’t win every match in existence they have failed. /s
For me, international cricket still gives a sense of structure more than the various T20 leagues running around the world. Never have been a die hard fan of any particular franchisee and hence following the ICT seems to be the way forth. As for lacklustre, a few pointers made in the lead up to this post would have laid rest to some of those claims. I shall not deny that we aren't a world dominating force like the Aussies were, but we definitely are in the Top nations when it comes to cricketing acumen.
NZ and England are among the top nations to play cricket right now. Lest you forget they reached consecutive World Cup finals (across formats). Pakistan is notch lower ,but they are still competitive. In fact, their current setup is as competitive as the one they had during the late 1990s. I get your frustrations with series losses to vs Bangladesh and Sri Lanka, however, would attribute that to lack of planning, selection and too much cricket on our behalf.
I will also whole-heartedly agree with the Kohli and Dhoni points. This definitely boils down to selection and an unwillingness in dropping a star player. I dont think India will do it unless there's a Mohinder Amarnath/ Vengsarkar as the Chairman of Selectors.
India bowling was good in the last 8 years with Bharat Arun having a clear vision. Post him, sadly, we haven't had a steady supply and much can blamed on the likes of Dravid, Paras Mhambrey and VVS Laxman. India's obsession with making VVS the successor to Dravid will cost them a few more World Cups. I'd be quite happy if they put Arun in charge of the NCA where he could establish a proper pathway.
The late 1990s were absolute shambles for ICT bowling. Yes, Srinath was the only genuine one, but he lacked the zip- We tried a variety until Ganguly took over and brought Zaheer, Nehra, who were better than our 1990s line up of Ankola, Yohannan, Prabhakar etc.
As mentioned above, we had a fearsome attack in the last 8 years- Shami, Bumrah, Bhuvi, Umehs(yes)- all at their peak. the current one though is weaker than what we had in 2003. Read my above pointer where I have clearly mentioned my thoughts on why this has happened.
Now this seems contradictory- Consistent wins define a world class team. But them again, read the 1st line- you dont seem to care if we lose vs SRL/BAN? I also believe you need to look at 1-2 formats here. we are pretty consistent in Test cricket and ODIs and have been winning the bilaterals. There have been the odd ones we lost, but I would probably call that a glitch.
I will just make on final point over Thakur- consider him as what Agarkar was to India in the early 2000s. Expensive, but takes wickets and can swing his bat better than some batsmen. mark my words, he will be in the CWC 2023 squad.
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