India Team Discussion

Either way, post CWC 2023, we were due for a revamp-win or lose or crash out in the 1st round. Here are a few pointers that I feel need to be considered going forth:

1. Rahul Dravid:
Rahul Dravid shouldn't continue as the coach. He is better suited to making back end decisions and grooming the talent in the country. I'd rather he be appointed as Director of Cricket, sitting in the NCA at Bangalore. He can have all Indian teams report into him- Men's Women's and U-19s.

The Head Coach can then be appointed separately for each category. Given the fact that 3 formats are existing simultaneously- it wouldn't be a bad idea to separate the role into 2 factions.

2. Rohit Sharma:
There's no denying the fact that he has been a stellar influence as India captain. For the 1st time since Ganguly, I really felt the team had rallied around someone as a leader. MSD won trophies, but didn't see India develop a particular brand of cricket under him. Kohli was similar in nature to MSD. The question now is-whether Rohit wants to continue and if yes, how long?
I do not see him playing all 3 formats until retirement. Given the brand that he has brought forth, I feel he deserves one more crack at a global tournament. The closest to us is the WT20 2024. With Hardik blowing hot and cold, it makes sense for Rohit to lead in USA/WI. That could be his swansong as far as the format is concerned.
For ODI- personally, I feel he can be instituted for 2 more years, culminating in the ICC CT 2025. What the BCCI also needs to do in this time is to ensure that a proper vice-captain is nominated- either across formats/ for each format, who can take up things.
Test matches- Have never believed in Rohit as the best test captain. Given he is our all format captain, the onus is on him- I would like to see him take a back seat from a format that is essentially guzzling a lot of money and has sapping interest (unless we play Australia/ England)

3. Other Players:
Kohli, Jadeja, Bhuvi, Dhawan are done. Carrying Kohi on will be a liability- he isnt a fast scorer and has shown that he is prone to playing selfish knocks. India can do without him tbh. The likes of Dhull can be fast tracked into the team at the expense of Virat.
 
Replacing Kohli sounds maniacal. He could play till the next World Cup if he maintains form and I don't even think the incompetents in the BCCI are THAT incompetent.

Jadeja, Ashwin (if he ever was a full fledged ODI cricketer), Rohit, Sky, Rahul just off the top of my mind are not guys for the future. Still good enough to play ODI cricket for now but not in 4 years time, so whats the point?

The bigger issue however isn't ODI cricket, its T20 cricket, which will be the global focus for the next year. India have been shocking in this form at at times...their IPL SUPAASTAAAS didn't make the semis in 3 straight tournament, fielding the likes of KOhli, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Jadeja etc and then missed another semi in 2021 if I'm not mistaken. For all the hype of guys like Sky, I don't think they'll be challenger again unless Shami and Bumrah keep their form which is a big ask for injury prone fast bowers. Whats the problem here?
 
pillowprocter said:
You made a decent post and then ruined it
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Bevab said:
Made even worse by suggesting Yash Dhull who statpads in SMAT out of all tournaments as the replacement for selfish Kohli.
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Surely , we will have to move past Kohli at some point. I don't see any benefit in sticking with him. As it is, he is going to pick and choose his battles. Unless, he is in the best of form, he shouldn't be considered further. The MSD-like scenario might come back to haunt us if he is persisted with.

SMAT and International are quite different. Dhull might play slow at the moment, but he does have quality and could be given a chance. If the stat padding becomes a problem, kick him out. They are afraid of the public ire if Kohli is dropped. It's the fear, nothing else.

Though, if we want a Sehwag 2.0, the only answer at the moment would be Prithvi Shaw, who is seemingly out of favour.
 
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noducksallowed said:
Replacing Kohli sounds maniacal. He could play till the next World Cup if he maintains form and I don't even think the incompetents in the BCCI are THAT incompetent.
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On the basis of what? Just the fact that he has 100 centuries of something? Kohli in the next World Cup or anywhere post 2025 would be a massive mistake. A serious liability who will eat up one place unnecessarily. In that case, one would rather have Rohit cause of his leadership and selfless cricket.

noducksallowed said:
Jadeja, Ashwin (if he ever was a full fledged ODI cricketer), Rohit, Sky, Rahul just off the top of my mind are not guys for the future. Still good enough to play ODI cricket for now but not in 4 years time, so whats the point?
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India will be carried forth by Jaiswal, Iyer, Gill,Pant as the main stays. We will need to invest in a keeper as I doubt Pant will be up for the challenge post his surgery

noducksallowed said:
The bigger issue however isn't ODI cricket, its T20 cricket, which will be the global focus for the next year. India have been shocking in this form at at times...their IPL SUPAASTAAAS didn't make the semis in 3 straight tournament, fielding the likes of KOhli, Dhoni, Yuvraj, Jadeja etc and then missed another semi in 2021 if I'm not mistaken. For all the hype of guys like Sky, I don't think they'll be challenger again unless Shami and Bumrah keep their form which is a big ask for injury prone fast bowers. Whats the problem here
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The problem is that we select the side based on reputation alone, not current form. In 2021, they should have asked Rohit to lead, as he was doing that in the lead up to the tournament. We also tried a lot many players who were in great knick and they weren't selected just cause we decided to lean heavily on reputation alone.

In the upcoming one, I'd like to still see Rohit as captain,.maybe another go for Kohli. The rest can then be made up from whosoever performs. They might not be superstars, but if they perform,they should be in. If this means dropping Hardik for Venky & Virat for Manish Pandey, be it. If you don't take risks, you won't ever be successful.
 
icyman said:
On the basis of what? Just the fact that he has 100 centuries of something? Kohli in the next World Cup or anywhere post 2025 would be a massive mistake. A serious liability who will eat up one place unnecessarily. In that case, one would rather have Rohit cause of his leadership and selfless cricket.


India will be carried forth by Jaiswal, Iyer, Gill,Pant as the main stays. We will need to invest in a keeper as I doubt Pant will be up for the challenge post his surgery


The problem is that we select the side based on reputation alone, not current form. In 2021, they should have asked Rohit to lead, as he was doing that in the lead up to the tournament. We also tried a lot many players who were in great knick and they weren't selected just cause we decided to lean heavily on reputation alone.

In the upcoming one, I'd like to still see Rohit as captain,.maybe another go for Kohli. The rest can then be made up from whosoever performs. They might not be superstars, but if they perform,they should be in. If this means dropping Hardik for Venky & Virat for Manish Pandey, be it. If you don't take risks, you won't ever be successful.
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Manish Pandey...are you serious?? That guy is in his mid 30s lol!

Is this is the best India have to offer now, they won't be winning a tournament for quite some time.
 
wasteyouryouth said:
I think you're confusing achieving milestones with neglecting your part as a team member. The fact he has done both shows he's still got it.
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But on the day that mattered,did he even try? I get all the talk about how he stood his ground and all. However, at 82/3 we weren't in dire straits that one had to simply shut shop.

Where was the intent? Why did he not attempt a boundary? Same Q have been posed to MSD as well. For Virat, we have seen that he has been chasing those 100s. He was lucky that India won in the lead up. The semis, had it not been for Virat's selfish knock, we would have gotten above 450.
noducksallowed said:
Manish Pandey...are you serious?? That guy is in his mid 30s lol!

Is this is the best India have to offer now, they won't be winning a tournament for quite some time.
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Why not? If he is in form, why not? As long as he is not retired, one assumes that he can contribute. SKY is almost 30, so was M Hussey.

As for India winning, my bets are on the next 2. If we don't win those, guess any Indian fan wouldn't even bother watching the KO stages thereafter.
pillowprocter said:
Listen to yourself. How would scoring runs, literally the thing that decides the winner of a match, not help the team?
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The pace at which these runs are scored also matters. Rohit has been setting the stage. With Virat, he has slowed down throughout. While Iyer began slowly he has accelerated post settling down. Haven't seen that happen with Kohli.
 
noducksallowed said:
Manish Pandey...are you serious?? That guy is in his mid 30s lol!

Is this is the best India have to offer now, they won't be winning a tournament for quite some time.
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More than the age, it's Pandey being suggested as the replacement that's the funny part. He's a known statpadder whose teams have often tended to lose in the IPL whenever he bats for a significant period of time. He isn't even close to the best Karnataka has to offer let alone India.

Between calling Kohli selfish and suggesting Dhull and Pandey as replacements, this has to be classic trolling from the man as usual.
 
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