India tour of South Africa - 2013/14

We are being too harsh on War there. He is someone who loves test cricket in conditions that assist fast bowling and I`m sure he`d enjoy it even if an Indian side turns up in these conditions. I hope he does`nt bring up the 'SA did not field their best bowling attack, Tahir was the pressure release' excuse or Morkel`s injury.

It is just for fun mate, not being harsh on anyone. He has much more knowledge of the game than me but sometimes it does get irritating when he says things which sounds totally unfair to me.

This masterclass in batting is being ruined by Ravi Shastri's commentary...

" You need to work hard to remove Pujara. If there is a bed on the pitch, he will sleep there. " Classic Ravi
 
I want to see change in the thread title.......... Mmmmmm............. Ya. It should be South Africa's tour of India. :p
 
Every Indian must be enjoying this top class batting performance by India against No 1 test side at their home.Hats off Pujara,Kohli,vijay :clap
 
It is just for fun mate, not being harsh on anyone. He has much more knowledge of the game than me but sometimes it does get irritating when he says things which sounds totally unfair to me.



" You need to work hard to remove Pujara. If there is a bed on the pitch, he will sleep there. " Classic Ravi

*Pujara will have his breakfast, lunch and diner on the pitch and come back again for breakfast. :facepalm
 
India has 4 more easy over of spin. I guess Smith is resting the fast bowlers for the new ball. Then Steyn would come on full throttle. It is important for India to survive over number 80 to 90.
 
Brilliant session and a good day for India. Excellent inning from both Pujara and Kohli. Pujara is definitely our best test batsman and just hoping he can continue performing this way.

How much target do we have to set? Looking at the way these 2 are batting, they are making it look very easy out there. South Africa has also got a greta batting line-up. 450 would be good enough I guess. so bat for 3 hours and than declare so it gives bowlers enough time to get them out. I hope there is no collapse tomorrow from India.
 
Well, the consideration of weather probably comes into the picture for any discussion of when to declare. The commentators were talking about rain on Sunday, so if we manage 100 runs in the morning session tomorrow, we can declare going into lunch. Even though the second new ball is due early tomorrow, I think we could play attacking cricket (with wickets in hand, Rohit and Dhoni can have license to swing) and manage that total. That puts us 410 ahead, and I think that's enough for the bowlers to be able to always bowl with three or four people around the bat.

It'll be interesting to see how much Ashwin can come into his own in that last innings. South Africa will have scoreboard pressure and Ashwin can have all the catchers he wants. He will want to change his fortunes after a disappointing first innings performance.

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oh well, that's Tahir's test career over. I reckon he's odds on to concede 20+ in an over at some point in this match.
Good riddance. It's no secret that I don't rate him at all, and he's going out there and proving me right over and over again. Paul Harris is far better at the job South Africa want their spinners to do.
 
yeah, it's a bittersweet session in that sense. had india eeked there way to 280 and set a target of 320 you'd be backing them all the way as no one has managed to get close to 300 yet. now though india have shown that fast scoring and dominating is possible.

it's probable that india will want to see out the new ball to so they'll have to hold off scoring in the morning session.

really tricky, can india back ashwin with the old ball here where spinners are getting murdered, or is there just no point trying to get more than 110-120 overs at south africa. that way you get two new balls but don't have to deal with the possible carnage SAF can launch against the second ball when it goes soft.

if rain is a factor that makes things even trickier.

I'd say 450ish making SAF bat an hour before tea, everyone's been a slow starter so it'd be unlikely you'd see SAF cut that down to 300 by the end of play.
 
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I wouldn't want India to bat beyond lunch tomorrow. With the weather playing its little tricky part, India should give themselves 5 sessions to bowl South Africa out on this belter of a pitch. Tomorrow morning, India should come out and bat positively the first two overs, then take a cautious approach for the next 10 overs (overs 80-90) and then if they stay undamaged, then plunder runs in the next 14-18 overs of the session to set up a target of 425-450. Maybe give an over or two to South Africa before lunch if possible. If not, then come back after lunch, bat for 5-6 overs and then give SA the challenge of chasing a mountain.

@Pujara and Kohli: TAKE A BOW!! They are making us not miss Dravid and Tendulkar. If Rohit Sharma and Rahane also click in this test and the next test, India might dream of finding their new fab four.
 
murli deserves some credit, 6 and 39 is nothing to write home about but he ate up 130 deliveries in tough conditions. when was the last time india had an opener that could see off the new ball in difficult conditions?
 
Who here was able to watch the Day3 proceedings ? (I miss out because I live in stupid Eastern Std. Time area:mad). How good were Kohli and Pujara, really ? Did the pitch ease out in the 3rd session or they simply wore down the Saffers' bowling attack and then made them err from their plans ? I ask because 1) I want to know if the pitch really is easing out or not, and what would then be a decent target? 2) I am still shell shocked at the brilliance of Kohli Pujara and Vijay :D

For tomorrow, I think if we lose a wicket early, Rahane should be the one to walk in instead of Rohit. He will have to hold one end down, while the other fellers - Kohli/Pujara + Rohit + Dhoni go about playing their strokes and scoring quickly. Another 130 runs = target of 450 should be sufficient.
 
My only worry is, we depending too much on 3 pacers that might impact the fitness of our pacers. They should have used Ashwin bit more than heavy use of pacers who looked so good in first innings. Just couldn't believe my eyes on Ishant.
 
Conditions have favored India - Philander
South Africa v India, 1st Test, Johannesburg, 3rd day : Conditions have favoured India - Vernon Philander | Cricket News | South Africa v India | ESPN Cricinfo

Not our problem Philander, absolutely not our problem!!! And don't even talk up the typical conspiracy theory of the BCCI buying CSA and asking them to prepare a pitch like this!! With both boards in a tussle over Lorgat, the last thing on earth that CSA would do is instruct the groundsman to prepare an Indian pitch.

And this pitch has not been an Indian pitch at all. It has provided help to the fast bowlers by giving good pace and bounce. And yet, its good for strokemaking batsman. If a good wicket is one where the Indian batsmen always should fail, then we better start changing our mindset on what good wickets are.
 
Could someone answer my questions. I have followed each day so far of this 1st test. Now I have heard people say that the pitch has been an easy one an not a typical South Africa wicket. But have india actually played well or is it the pitch like philander has said? Now my views are that if the pitch has eased out then how about the first day, no South African bowler had an answer to virat kohli, he really played well and left plenty of balls outside off and wore the bowlers down. India batted for a 100 overs and the ball was doing quite a bit in my opinion and even today the ball was doing a bit. So I think that India have actually played better, but I could be wrong. Also, if you get the ball in the right areas things happen like we saw yesterday when South Africa lost 5 wickets in 15 runs. Where's the world's top bowling unit...? I think that india forced steyn and the others to bowl to our strengths by showing great patience. When's the last time South Africa had to bowl 100 overs to get a side out in South Africa?
 
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Who here was able to watch the Day3 proceedings ? (I miss out because I live in stupid Eastern Std. Time area:mad). How good were Kohli and Pujara, really ? Did the pitch ease out in the 3rd session or they simply wore down the Saffers' bowling attack and then made them err from their plans ? I ask because 1) I want to know if the pitch really is easing out or not, and what would then be a decent target? 2) I am still shell shocked at the brilliance of Kohli Pujara and Vijay

I am on central time but I'm on vacation so I got to watch the entire partnership between Pujara and Kohli. The two of them left the ball beautifully on both line and length, and never changed their approach, which was to punish the bad balls and take the runs when available. I guess the pitch has eased up a little, but there were still enough deliveries that kicked up off a length and Steyn consistently bowled in the 140 kmph range (no one else did, though, Philander and Kallis were in the 130s and sometimes 120s).

South Africa were hurt by the loss of Morkel in that third session. Philander and Steyn had already bowled quite a bit and Smith had to rely on Kallis and the change bowlers for a lot more overs than he probably intended. Hell, AB de Villiers bowled the last over before tea! He even got one to swing in A LOT! I thought both Steyn and Philander bowled well enough, and Kohli and Pujara mainly treated Steyn as the major threat and looked to play him off. Kohli waved and missed at a couple outside his off stump, especially twice in one Philander over, but other than that, they were solid.

South Africa just don't have the quality of spin needed to trouble our batsmen. Imran Tahir was pretty terrible, and bowled either long hops or fulltosses, all of which were punished. The pitch didn't aid the spinners at all, at least I don't remember any ball turning appreciably. Smith was caught in a Catch-22, because the match situation dictated that he had to set defensive fields, and so couldn't have any catchers looking to get the wickets he needed to stem the flow of runs. Pujara shifted gears in that session and Kohli was as solid as ever. I think they took pretty much every single on offer and ran well. The only chance was a straightforward caught-and-bowled to Tahir's left when Pujara was 51, but he dropped that.

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Not our problem Philander, absolutely not our problem!!! And don't even talk up the typical conspiracy theory of the BCCI buying CSA and asking them to prepare a pitch like this!! With both boards in a tussle over Lorgat, the last thing on earth that CSA would do is instruct the groundsman to prepare an Indian pitch.

And this pitch has not been an Indian pitch at all. It has provided help to the fast bowlers by giving good pace and bounce. And yet, its good for strokemaking batsman. If a good wicket is one where the Indian batsmen always should fail, then we better start changing our mindset on what good wickets are.

Thank you! This needs to be stated before the likes of War grab onto this thread and start taking the credit away from this performance. I don't think this pitch favors India, in that there is still bounce (remember Kohli's first scoring shot was an edge that went over the keeper's head) that the Morkel-less South Africa could not extract, and there is lateral movement that was extracted by Steyn, Philander, and Kallis. I think they just didn't bowl enough challenging deliveries and their stamina definitely flogged in the last session as Pujara and Kohli just ground them down. I didn't see any evidence that this pitch is going to offer any real assistance to spin apart from the odd deviation in bounce. Consider that from the point where India were 93/2, South Africa produced a grand total of two chances in the next 44 overs and took neither: Kohli's edge went over ABdV and Pujara's return catch was dropped.

I think South Africa underestimated the guts and determination that was expected from this Indian batting order (and frankly, I think, so did most of us), and today they ran into two very adroit batters who were willing to marry that skill to a lot of ticker.
 
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