India tour of West Indies Aug-Sept 2019

[LiveLoveABD]

Encouraging signs of maturity from Pant today.

I hope we don't kerb or try to mould his game much. Him and Pandya are our only gun hitters. I rather they get out 3 out of 4 times but the 4th time play a match winning innings @ a SR of 200. We don't need more rotators.

It seems, Pant's position is locked. 6 is locked. Now, we need a 5 and Pandey definitely is not the answer to that. My mind can't think of anyone but DK unless MSD decides to continue.

 

[Bigby Wolf]

I hope we don't kerb or try to mould his game much. Him and Pandya are our only gun hitters. I rather they get out 3 out of 4 times but the 4th time play a match winning innings @ a SR of 200. We don't need more rotators.

It seems, Pant's position is locked. 6 is locked. Now, we need a 5 and Pandey definitely is not the answer to that. My mind can't think of anyone but DK unless MSD decides to continue.

Great Point this! Pant is a kind of player who can you matches single handedly if he clicks and plays the way he does but on the other side can get out very early too. Reckon we should not worry about his failures or consistency if he fails 3 times and clicks the 4th time as you said that is good enough. He is 22 right now and already has 2 Overseas Test Centuries which no other Indian Keeper has achieved over the history , more chances should be given to him in the shorter formats.

Disagree with the 2nd part feel its time to move on from both DK and MSD especially in T2OIS- on the DK part the management didn't give him enough chances he will again be overlooked for another young keeper and won't mind that tbh whether it is Ishan Kishan or Samson or someone else.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Great Point this! Pant is a kind of player who can you matches single handedly if he clicks and plays the way he does but on the other side can get out very early too. Reckon we should not worry about his failures or consistency if he fails 3 times and clicks the 4th time as you said that is good enough. He is 22 right now and already has 2 Overseas Test Centuries which no other Indian Keeper has achieved over the history , more chances should be given to him in the shorter formats.

Disagree with the 2nd part feel its time to move on from both DK and MSD especially in T2OIS- on the DK part the management didn't give him enough chances he will again be overlooked for another young keeper and won't mind that tbh whether it is Ishan Kishan or Samson or someone else.

The two batters you mentioned are both again top order bats. As you mentioned, I'm all for moving on. But, what are our options? If my memory serves me right, DK had one of the better S/R for us in the last two IPL's, specially in the back half of an innings. It's amazing how much Raina has wasted his talent and become fat and even unfit now. Could have easily played the last two years and four more now.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I hope when you guys says performance in 4 games from Pant, you mean 1 match winning performance padded with atleast average scores and supporting innings.

I know people recall Sehwag very fondly for his devastating innings, but if you have truly followed Sehwag, there hasn't been a player who made us pull our hair out more than Sehwag. For all his smashing abilities, 4 out of 5 times (being generous) he would fall for single digit scores and we would be let wondering about what would have happened if he had fended off the first 5 or 10 deliveries and stuck around until the wicket eased out. Especially in ODIs.

Here is hoping that Pant is every bit as impactful as Sehwag when on fire, and a lot more consistent than him.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I hope when you guys says performance in 4 games from Pant, you mean 1 match winning performance padded with atleast average scores and supporting innings.

I know people recall Sehwag very fondly for his devastating innings, but if you have truly followed Sehwag, there hasn't been a player who made us pull our hair out more than Sehwag. For all his smashing abilities, 4 out of 5 times (being generous) he would fall for single digit scores and we would be let wondering about what would have happened if he had fended off the first 5 or 10 deliveries and stuck around until the wicket eased out. Especially in ODIs.

Here is hoping that Pant is every bit as impactful as Sehwag when on fire, and a lot more consistent than him.

I will take it if he's more consistent but I would GLADLY take it if he turns out to be another Sehwag. Everyone here knows my respect for Tendulkar, but his game changed massively from the 90's to the 00's. The only time I saw him bat like he did in the 90's was in that 03' World Cup. You have to be the best version of yourself and I think SRT was such an enormous talent that he still achieved everything. We will see what Pant's best version of himself is. I don't think we have seen the best version of Rohit Sharma and we never will. He should have got 10,000 test runs and everything that he still has in LOI.

Perhaps, the underlying sentiment is, I rather take the inconsistent impact that players have than the consistency numbers bring. IMPACT wins cricket matches and I see a pathetic lust in Indian cricketers to amass numbers than retain or create impact. KL Rahul for example has definitely embarked on that path and I have been on record here that after AB, his batting style has impressed me most to date.

 

[Bevab]

I hope when you guys says performance in 4 games from Pant, you mean 1 match winning performance padded with atleast average scores and supporting innings.

I know people recall Sehwag very fondly for his devastating innings, but if you have truly followed Sehwag, there hasn't been a player who made us pull our hair out more than Sehwag. For all his smashing abilities, 4 out of 5 times (being generous) he would fall for single digit scores and we would be let wondering about what would have happened if he had fended off the first 5 or 10 deliveries and stuck around until the wicket eased out. Especially in ODIs.

Here is hoping that Pant is every bit as impactful as Sehwag when on fire, and a lot more consistent than him.

Which is why yesterday’s innings was significant. Pant was willing to play in a calm way, get his eye in and then unleash unbelievably great shots all over the park around the time he should have with a relatively low total. In cases of higher totals too, Pant can play aggressively right through the innings which is the most exciting thing about him.

Like @LiveLoveABD says, I dearly hope that Pandya and Pant’s aggression isn’t coached out of them like our pacers’ speed was coached out of theirs for the sake of accuracy.

Pant’s previous notable knocks also came in the last game of their respective series’. Does this have something to do with pressure?

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

Pant’s previous notable knocks also came in the last game of their respective series’. Does this have something to do with pressure?

I think he played well all throughout he played against Australia in the ODI series at home and played wonderfully well in IPL. He came to play the WC and looked in equally good touch. At times he tries too many things and he gets out. He needs to be said to keep his game simple yet aggressive. That's how he can develop as a player. I think it's the sense of maturity and the awareness about his game that has helped him improve to this extent. I think the innings he played against Australia at the SCG in the 4th Test of the series has actually changed him as a player. He never actually performed poorly since then.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I will take it if he's more consistent but I would GLADLY take it if he turns out to be another Sehwag. Everyone here knows my respect for Tendulkar, but his game changed massively from the 90's to the 00's. The only time I saw him bat like he did in the 90's was in that 03' World Cup. You have to be the best version of yourself and I think SRT was such an enormous talent that he still achieved everything. We will see what Pant's best version of himself is. I don't think we have seen the best version of Rohit Sharma and we never will. He should have got 10,000 test runs and everything that he still has in LOI.

Perhaps, the underlying sentiment is, I rather take the inconsistent impact that players have than the consistency numbers bring. IMPACT wins cricket matches and I see a pathetic lust in Indian cricketers to amass numbers than retain or create impact. KL Rahul for example has definitely embarked on that path and I have been on record here that after AB, his batting style has impressed me most to date.

I dont agree with this one really. I know you think numbers are deceptive and I agree to an extent. But in the longer formats - ODIs and Tests, more runs and more time spent do matter for a lot. A 110 ball 100 can win you a game more times than a 20 ball 35 (not the case in T20s of course)

And if you are satisfied with Pant playing a Sehwag type role, then you shouldnt expect him to win you 1 out of every 4 games. Because Sehwag never really did that in ODIs (again not knocking on Sehwag's contributions). It was more like 1 out of 8-10 games really. Plus he played the opener role, where he had the cushion of a very solid and dependable middle and lower middle order to follow. We cant have a number 4 who fires once in 8 games on an average. We need Pant to do what he did yesterday. And in the longer format, we need him to convert his 30s-40s into 70s-80s atleast to be a high quality no.4

Personally I am rooting for the guy through and through. He has shown he has the temperament to reign in his attacking game and play for the situation when needed. He just needs to avoid those brain fade moments, but that can probably be attributed to his lack of experience in pressure situations.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Which is why yesterday’s innings was significant. Pant was willing to play in a calm way, get his eye in and then unleash unbelievably great shots all over the park around the time he should have with a relatively low total. In cases of higher totals too, Pant can play aggressively right through the innings which is the most exciting thing about him.

Absolutely agree with this. Yesterdays innings was just perfect. Beautifully paced. No big hits initially but the it never looked like he was getting impatient. He knocked a few around to milk the singles and then ended with a flourish. Perfect no.4 role. I am sure Kohli at the end other must have helped him calm his nerves, unlike during the world cup knockout where he was being given company of his fellow hitters like Pandya, DK instead of someone like MSD who could have guided him and the team to a win

 

[NILAYSHAH60]

I am sure Kohli at the end other must have helped him calm his nerves, unlike during the world cup knockout where he was being given company of his fellow hitters like Pandya, DK instead of someone like MSD who could have guided him and the team to a win

You have given me a point to include in my thread.

 

[Going North]

1st ODI : @Providence Stadium, Guyana
Windies vs India at 7 pm IST

Stats and trivia
-Gayle is 12 short of Brian Lara's tally of 10,405 ODI runs, the most by a West Indies batsman.

-Kuldeep Yadav has taken 93 wickets in 51 ODIs, which leaves him four matches to beat Mohammed Shami and become the fastest from India to hundred ODI wickets

-Bangladesh played two ODIs @providence Ground, Guyana last year and scored 268 and 279 in their two digs.

- West Indies haven't won a bilateral ODI series since August 2014. They also haven't beaten India in their last eight series against them.

- Virat Kohli is 19 runs shy of pipping Javed Miandad (1930 runs) as the player with the most ODI runs against West Indies

What they said:
"For us, the priority has always been to be one of the most consistent sides in the world and in the last three to four years, I think we've been able to achieve that. We're the no.2 side in the world and there's a good reason to that. We've been at no.1 as well sometime. It's the kind of cricket that we've played that has gotten us up here." - Virat Kohli

 

[GOKUL RAJ K]

1st ODI : @Providence Stadium, Guyana
Windies vs India at 7 pm IST

Stats and trivia
-Gayle is 12 short of Brian Lara's tally of 10,405 ODI runs, the most by a West Indies batsman.

-Kuldeep Yadav has taken 93 wickets in 51 ODIs, which leaves him four matches to beat Mohammed Shami and become the fastest from India to hundred ODI wickets

-Bangladesh played two ODIs @providence Ground, Guyana last year and scored 268 and 279 in their two digs.

- West Indies haven't won a bilateral ODI series since August 2014. They also haven't beaten India in their last eight series against them.

- Virat Kohli is 19 runs shy of pipping Javed Miandad (1930 runs) as the player with the most ODI runs against West Indies

What they said:
"For us, the priority has always been to be one of the most consistent sides in the world and in the last three to four years, I think we've been able to achieve that. We're the no.2 side in the world and there's a good reason to that. We've been at no.1 as well sometime. It's the kind of cricket that we've played that has gotten us up here." - Virat Kohli

Copy paste From Cricbuzz.

 

[Going North]

Copy paste From Cricbuzz.

I should post link too
It's cricinfo.com too so
Credit to both

 

[LiveLoveABD]

I should post link too
It's cricinfo.com too so
Credit to both

You should probably not post all this at all.

 

[asprin]

I should post link too

Actually you don't. There's no point copy pasting stuff from other sites.

So you can stop doing it from here on out. Have discussion/debates but no more copy pasted stuff.