Indian Premier League - General Discussion

[icyman]

I should rephrase that. In match scenarios, he is reliable. However, from a franchisee POV, not being present throughout the tournament is a bummer tbh. That's what I was intending to say actually.

 

[Bevab]

Summing it up perfectly but Rahane’s knock was more crucial. CSK having lost both the openers successively, he helped kept the run rate going when Dube was struggling initially.

Rahane to captain next year?.

I don’t want Rahane captaining in all honesty. He’s had crazy swings in form when he captained RR before and I think he’d do well without the added burden of it. Let him give his tactical insights on the field and be an experienced veteran lending his respected views in the dressing room.

I’d just give it to Ruturaj straightaway with the caveat of not dumping excessive expectations on him in the wake of both succeeding Dhoni and wanting a successful title defence. He’s captained Maharashtra for at least two years now with some decent results, seems like a levelheaded lad and I’ve seen him make sacrifices for Maharashtra (not opening, being the keeper) that point to him being a team player. I feel he’s ready without needing a stopgap for a season or two.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I should rephrase that. In match scenarios, he is reliable. However, from a franchisee POV, not being present throughout the tournament is a bummer tbh. That's what I was intending to say actually.

I honestly think this is an unfair criticism of any overseas player, primarily because it is something that will never impact an Indian player because they don't have to choose between their national team and a franchise. So it's not a level playing field. It's also always going to fall most heavily on English (and Irish) players. International cricket in England started in June the last four years. It used to be in the middle of May. The way things are heading it looks like, at some point, the international cricket in England will have to be scheduled around when franchises deem it acceptable for their players to play. For now, it's nice to have a test captain that prioritises the English summer over an overseas league. I'd expect any team trying to sign Ben Stokes to anticipate that.

 

[icyman]

For CSK, it is imperative that they make a captaincy change next year. Going by what MSD mentioned, he will most likely step away from the limelight next year. Having his presence in the side, on the ground, might be an added bonus for whosoever captains the side next year.

Rahane might be looked as an option in the event that they want Ruturaj to gain more experience. I do not expect them to go to Jaddu after last year's debacle.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Something about today morning just feels bliss. For all the people who support other franchises, if MSD does retire and Stokes is released, they will go into the next auction with a whopping 35 crore at least. MSD will be there as part of the think tank. Good luck to the others.

And all those franchises, specially the two in red who keep mourning about injuries and poor bowling attacks, CSK won with a third string attack. All those who keep calling it luck, you cannot be lucky 5 times, 10 finals and 12 playoffs in 14 seasons. This is as big as MJ's Chicago Bulls, Schumacher's Ferrari and Ferguson's United. It's just Indian, so the naysayers lot will find a way to pull it down in some capacity. Unbelievable!

EDIT- Two more things that should tell one about the icon MSD has become and something that far supersedes any other Indian superstar in any capacity ever-

1) I think him getting out on 0 and therefore that stumping of the MVP of the IPL becomes even more significant and iconic.
2) CSK began as a brand of India Cements. Today, its brand value is more than that of India Cements as a whole. THAT is the power of sport and perhaps its greatest captain and icon.

Jersey number 7 should never be worn by any Indian/Chennai player ever.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Something about today morning just feels bliss. For all the people who support other franchises, if MSD does retire and Stokes is released, they will go into the next auction with a whopping 35 crore at least. MSD will be there as part of the think tank. Good luck to the others.

And all those franchises, specially the two in red who keep mourning about injuries and poor bowling attacks, CSK won with a third string attack. All those who keep calling it luck, you cannot be lucky 5 times, 10 finals and 12 playoffs in 14 seasons. This is as big as MJ's Chicago Bulls, Schumacher's Ferrari and Ferguson's United. It's just Indian, so the naysayers lot will find a way to pull it down in some capacity. Unbelievable!

EDIT- Two more things that should tell one about the icon MSD has become and something that far supersedes any other Indian superstar in any capacity ever-

1) I think him getting out on 0 and therefore that stumping of the MVP of the IPL becomes even more significant and iconic.
2) CSK began as a brand of India Cements. Today, its brand value is more than that of India Cements as a whole. THAT is the power of sport and perhaps its greatest captain and icon.

Jersey number 7 should never be worn by any Indian/Chennai player ever.

Not to dismiss CSK as one of the dominant forces in the IPL, but Man United won 13 titles in 26 years under Ferguson. Mumbai Indians have the same number of wins as CSK.

 

[Skankhunt_42]

SRH: lost at auction table
DC: lost because of Ganguly-Ponting in same management
PBKS: poor captaincy and team selection
KKR: Terrible captaincy and equally worst team management
RR: Still wondering... Why? Overdependent to certain players I guess
RCB: Avarage middle order and chocker mindset
LSG: over aggression of GG
MI: Vada pao needs break.... Clearly! WTC... Wonder what happens...

 

[Bevab]

Not to dismiss CSK as one of the dominant forces in the IPL, but Man United won 13 titles in 26 years under Ferguson. Mumbai Indians have the same number of wins as CSK.

I don’t think a straight comparison would be possible either when there’s an equal wage cap in one league while the other is a capitalist’s wet dream.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

I don’t think a straight comparison would be possible either when there’s an equal wage cap in one league while the other is a capitalist’s wet dream.

I'd make the case, given the share of income to player wages, the equal wage cap is the capitalists wet dream.

 

[Bevab]

I'd make the case, given the share of income to player wages, the equal wage cap is the capitalists wet dream.

“Who knew that socialism would be the most profitable way to maximise our revenues?!” - the American and Indian franchise owners, probably.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

“Who knew that socialism would be the most profitable way to maximise our revenues?!” - the American and Indian franchise owners, probably.

Capitalists loves socialism when it's in the form of corporate bailouts and subsidies.

Maybe IPL is at the stage the English Premier League is at now, where the only real competition is Real, Barca, PSG (financially) - a bit like England, Australia and Pakistan (if they had as many home series v India as the other two) are in terms of being able to offer decent wages to players. But EPL has got there for many reasons (allowing our clubs to be sold to literally anyone, even the worst people has helped), but it isn't guaranteed to dominate in perpetuity. Whereas it's hard to see the Indian cricket market ever being challenged. Why I have said it seems closer to NFL, NBA levels. Which is another reason to fear for international cricket. International versions of American sports are largely irrelevant.

But back on topic. I think CSK and MI are more similar to Milan and Juventus in the 1990s to early 2000s. Trading titles while other teams occasionally pick one up.

 

[LiveLoveABD]

Not to dismiss CSK as one of the dominant forces in the IPL, but Man United won 13 titles in 26 years under Ferguson. Mumbai Indians have the same number of wins as CSK.

The Premiere League started in the beginning of the 20th century? This has started in the 21st. There have only been 16 editions and CSK has been part of 14. MSD has been in the inception of this and while I am not establishing any sort of superiority of one over the other, I am just saying that all these success stories are comparable. I also don't believe a lot in "this many titles"

It's about the culture, the club and the ethos. For me, the campaigns CSK didn't win were also as epic as the ones they did win because even in those seasons they nearly won or built towards a better season in the year to come. People like Gaikwad were unearthed in barren seasons and last year Simarjit, Mukesh etc were all looking genuine potential for the future. There is a reason why players suddenly come here and bloom or rediscover their lost mojo. The success is nice, but the way they play the sport far supersedes any plaudit or title.

EDIT- Also, CSK actually existed before it was even CSK in the form of India Cements. See the number of local talent they supported before an IPL even existed and the support they provided to budding cricketers for India. They're just a place every cricketer wants to go to and wear that yellow jersey.

 

[SaiSrini]

I don’t want Rahane captaining in all honesty. He’s had crazy swings in form when he captained RR before and I think he’d do well without the added burden of it. Let him give his tactical insights on the field and be an experienced veteran lending his respected views in the dressing room.

I’d just give it to Ruturaj straightaway with the caveat of not dumping excessive expectations on him in the wake of both succeeding Dhoni and wanting a successful title defence. He’s captained Maharashtra for at least two years now with some decent results, seems like a levelheaded lad and I’ve seen him make sacrifices for Maharashtra (not opening, being the keeper) that point to him being a team player. I feel he’s ready without needing a stopgap for a season or two.

I dont see Rahane as a great option now too. Yes he is a very good tactical mind, but if he captains, he might be pressured to bat himself in every game. And that wont work always. This season when the openers got off to big starts, CSK flexed their order and didnt even give Rahane a batting chance and just let him contribute on the field. With Rahane as captain, not sure if he might put himself through a similar curve.

I also think time is right for Ruturaj to take the reins. He has already had an imprint in the squad selection (recommending the likes of Mukesh, Hangargekar, etc to the management before mega auctions). Yes he is not an India permanent yet, but that shouldn't come in the way of him captaining CSK. You can have IPL captains who are not India regulars.

Something about today morning just feels bliss. For all the people who support other franchises, if MSD does retire and Stokes is released, they will go into the next auction with a whopping 35 crore at least. MSD will be there as part of the think tank. Good luck to the others.

And all those franchises, specially the two in red who keep mourning about injuries and poor bowling attacks, CSK won with a third string attack. All those who keep calling it luck, you cannot be lucky 5 times, 10 finals and 12 playoffs in 14 seasons. This is as big as MJ's Chicago Bulls, Schumacher's Ferrari and Ferguson's United. It's just Indian, so the naysayers lot will find a way to pull it down in some capacity. Unbelievable!

EDIT- Two more things that should tell one about the icon MSD has become and something that far supersedes any other Indian superstar in any capacity ever-

1) I think him getting out on 0 and therefore that stumping of the MVP of the IPL becomes even more significant and iconic.
2) CSK began as a brand of India Cements. Today, its brand value is more than that of India Cements as a whole. THAT is the power of sport and perhaps its greatest captain and icon.

Jersey number 7 should never be worn by any Indian/Chennai player ever.

Just curious to know what you think - will CSK's brand value will nosedive once MSD gives it up as a player? All these pundits are predicting a downfall of the franchise once Dhoni hangs up his boots. I do not agree one bit with it, coz Dhoni's contribution might be on field and with bat, but there is a bigger backroom culture that has been setup and that will continue to stay (with Dhoni also joining that space). Yes there will be turbulence as we find a new captain (we already saw it in 2022) and settle him in, but I dont think the franchise will collapse post the exit of Dhoni the player.

 

[Bevab]

I dont see Rahane as a great option now too. Yes he is a very good tactical mind, but if he captains, he might be pressured to bat himself in every game. And that wont work always. This season when the openers got off to big starts, CSK flexed their order and didnt even give Rahane a batting chance and just let him contribute on the field. With Rahane as captain, not sure if he might put himself through a similar curve.

I also think time is right for Ruturaj to take the reins. He has already had an imprint in the squad selection (recommending the likes of Mukesh, Hangargekar, etc to the management before mega auctions). Yes he is not an India permanent yet, but that shouldn't come in the way of him captaining CSK. You can have IPL captains who are not India regulars.



Just curious to know what you think - will CSK's brand value will nosedive once MSD gives it up as a player? All these pundits are predicting a downfall of the franchise once Dhoni hangs up his boots. I do not agree one bit with it, coz Dhoni's contribution might be on field and with bat, but there is a bigger backroom culture that has been setup and that will continue to stay (with Dhoni also joining that space). Yes there will be turbulence as we find a new captain (we already saw it in 2022) and settle him in, but I dont think the franchise will collapse post the exit of Dhoni the player.

There are a lot of Mumbai Indians fans in Chennai and TN who started following the team for Sachin and continued to do so even after he retired because they grew attached to the team. I don’t believe CSK’s brand value and support will suffer massively post Dhoni’s retirement for that simple reason and if they continue winning under the helm of a Gaikwad for instance we may well see a growth in said value and fanbase like MI’s once Rohit grew into the Sachin shaped hole successfully.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

There are a lot of Mumbai Indians fans in Chennai and TN who started following the team for Sachin and continued to do so even after he retired because they grew attached to the team. I don’t believe CSK’s brand value and support will suffer massively post Dhoni’s retirement for that simple reason and if they continue winning under the helm of a Gaikwad for instance we may well see a growth in said value and fanbase like MI’s once Rohit grew into the Sachin shaped hole successfully.

They also keep Sachin round as a mascot. CSK could easily do that with Dhoni.