Indian teenagers brutalized in Australia

[jordox]

If this is some plan to make me admit that Pakistan is in turmoil, then I'm easily ready to admit that because it is true.

No it's not at all. See my post above.

 

[Insomniac]

They can comment, but they shouldn't be critical of it. Especially when the other country is safer and more stable in every way.

I see that as hypocritical. Me slagging off the US, UK or Australia would be stupid because I am Zimbabwean. I don't have the hide to sit here and criticize Australia for doing things better than my own country does. It's like calling someone a stupid fat ass when you're twice as big and twice as stupid.

I see that as wrong.

But does that change the fact the person is still a fatass, regardless of what you are?

If I tell somebody that they need to lose weight, I can also say at the same time I need to lose weight also. Nothing wrong with that, other than you possibly encouraging them to lose weight. Yes, possibly socially awkward, but it is the truth.

 

[nightprowler10]

They can comment, but they shouldn't be critical of it. Especially when the other country is safer and more stable in every way.

I see that as hypocritical. Me slagging off the US, UK or Australia would be stupid because I am Zimbabwean. I don't have the hide to sit here and criticize Australia for doing things better than my own country does. It's like calling someone a stupid fat ass when you're twice as big and twice as stupid.

I see that as wrong.

That doesn't make any sense. Being fat is something you can arguably control, what's happening in Zimbabwe is not something you can.

 

[Simbazz]

Sadly I missed this earlier, but some things being said, Tom included, are bordering on racism. Maybe not major, but to categorise a whole nation as soft, well it just is a bit racist.

The thing is, you do see it in the media. An Asian person in the Uk, who's been born here and is as English as Gordan Bro...I can't use him, erm...the Queen, get beaten, theres an outcry of racism, which simply isn't right. If I was beaten up by a gang of Asians, and believe me, I live in a town where theres quite a big community, which is awesome, then could I claim it was a racist attack? Probably not, the street runs both ways.

I'd be inclined to agree with the sentiments that Tom said earlier when he said, **** happens, because it does. The whole world is corrupt with its fighting, from international threat of terrorism, to domestic violence, it goes on. Its unfortunately that bit inside out brains that some people don't quite control, the bit which made it easier to kill wild Tigers 1000 years ago, that obviously hasn't been wiped out.

 

[Cricketdude]

There's probably 10 people in Australia trying to survive from a bad fight/attack everyday, and 10% of that is Indian. Not bad considering India hold 15% of the worlds population.

In my school there hasn't been any racial comments to people. People in my school would only say something if they had a dispute with another person. Like their both pushing each other and both white they might say "fliping ████" but when an Indian is involved they call them a "curry muncher". Nothing really knew.

Also due to the financial crisis, crime has grown because people have losts their job, or can't get them.

 

[shravi]

Not a dig at Indians, Mani, just that people need to toughen up. You get into fights on nights out, it happens. All this rubbish about it being minorities and the weak is total balls

Rather than toughening up, the police and the government should work to stop such things from happening again. Relating to Murphy's law- that which can go wrong, will go wrong. However, if we prevent the possibility of anything going wrong as a whole, we won't hear of any such events again.

 

[jordox]

But does that change the fact the person is still a fatass, regardless of what you are?

That doesn't make any sense. Being fat is something you can arguably control, what's happening in Zimbabwe is not something you can.

Good points. It's just down to personal opinion then. I just see criticizing something you are no better than as hypocritical. If you want to slag something off, make sure you aren't guilty of it as well. I see this as a completely stupid thing to do.

Rather than toughening up, the police and the government should work to stop such things from happening again.

What from happening again? An Indian getting bashed or a person getting bashed?

Forgive, but I don't not understand this thread in the slightest. All I've learned is that some teenagers got the crap beat out of them. This happens in every single country on Earth.

Such a load of rubbish. Just because they belong to your nationality doesn't mean assholes are going to leave them alone. Yes, they should be left alone but assholes are assholes. They will beat the hell out of anyone they want in the right circumstances, and the country they live in means nothing.

The government can't do anything. If some dodgy people are hanging around a dark street in Sydney, Paris, London, Mumbai, Berlin, WHEREVER and waiting for someone to walk by, with the intention of beating them up; they are going to. It's these individuals that are the problem, it's not Australia.

 

[Leicester Fox]

Speaking of Indians toughening up, anyone seen that India bloke getting electrocuted. That is amazing stuff. Horrible as well. I will never ever be touching anything that even looks like it might zap me.

Anyway I'm staying out of this one as I've already established that I have very different views to Tom on racism within society

 

[Highlander999]

All a bunch of fliping pansies!!!!! I bloody well nearly shagged a 34 year old. That is fliping scary. Beats a screwdriver attack any day. She was nearer in age to my mum then i am to her!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Also Jordan knows what he is talking about. You guys criticsing need to get some balls. Also for the record my mate got bottled tonight. Let's all go and say it is the Scots being racist to the English. TARDS!!!!!!!!!

 

[jordox]

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The views of the drunk Tom do not necessarily reflect mine, or any other living thing on Earth.

 

[Highlander999]

Accept for crabs. Those buggers are well cool, all scuttle scuttle scutle. Damn right

 

[Kshitiz_Indian]

This thread has seen some very good posts but sadly it is now just turning into pity arguments, and on some occasions, personal vendattas.

 

[sohum]

There's probably 10 people in Australia trying to survive from a bad fight/attack everyday, and 10% of that is Indian. Not bad considering India hold 15% of the worlds population.

You've failed at your probability argument. 100% of the Indian population doesn't live in Australia. In fact, less than 10% of the Indian population live in Australia. So if more than 10% of the people surviving attacks in Australia are Indian, they are definitely being targeted from a probabilistic point of view.

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Let's take you to Scotland (actually maybe we shouldn't) Certain areas where you just leave in a body bag if you were unlucky. If you were lucky you might just get beaten up. Scotland and to a wider extent the UK does have a violence problem.

Certain areas? One of these blokes was returning home on the train after a late-night shift at KFC. Is that now marked as a dangerous place for Indian students? Are Indian students not expected to use the public transportation system at night?

Absolute rubbish. The moment people from a minority get beaten up everyone starts screaming racism. There are fights happening all the time with Brits vs Brits (Aussies vs Aussies I would imagine) I'm going out tonight. If I went looking for it in certain areas I could get into a fight with a local within, oh say five minutes. Jeez the whining.

First of all, people aren't just being beaten up. Many of the victims were hospitalized. The reports also don't mention anything about motives. Secondly, these guys didn't go "looking" for fights. Here are the incidents that did take place:

In a fresh incident of attack, 25-year-old Rajesh Kumar suffered 30% burns after a petrol bomb was hurled at his home in Sydney.

He wasn't going out looking for a fight, his house was specifically targeted.

Australia on Friday arrested five teenagers in connection with the recent assaults on Indian students and charged one of them with attempted murder. A 17-year-old boy was charged with attempted murder after four Indian students, including 25-year-old Sravan Kumar, were attacked by gatecrashers at a party here over the weekend, Victorian police said, adding another 18-year-old was quizzed in relation to the assault, but has since been released. Kumar remains critical.

They were at a party and were attacked by gatecrashers with screwdrivers. I haven't seen any reports that anyone else at the party was targeted.

Two 18-year-olds faced a Victorian court late last year after a man was killed in such an attack. The court heard seven friends had met at a McDonald's on January 22 and decided to go out and bash an Indian.

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Dr Singh said thieves knew victims were unlikely to report incidents. Many students also feared lodging a formal report to police would harm their chances of permanent residency.

India weighs into student attacks

So these aren't just random attacks that happen to have Indian students as the victims. And if Indians are intimidated and think twice about going to Australia to study, then whatever the motives are, the effects of the attacks are racist. Similar to how Andrew Symonds' accused Harbhajan of being racist when he called him monkey (the first time)--it was not an intentionally racist insult but the effect of the insult was racist.

No, little old ladies are easy targets as they won't fight back. Different from generally being weak and just being a coward.

Are you seriously arguing that this incident isn't racial? The police themselves said that Indians are attacked because they are easy targets. That in itself is a racial statement (not necessarily racist) because it is assigning a property to a specific race of people. The same as your statement above.

I'm not saying that what happens is right, of course it isn't. But it isn't anything special. Fights happen. Maybe in India they don't, but in the west you have a scrap and you move on. If you get done in, well bad luck, but you just have to be more careful next time.

Of course fights happen. If a gang of Indians attack an American student in India and he gets hospitalized, do you think ████ wouldn't hit the fan? You'd probably see the U.S. issue a travel warning to India. : Maybe the mentality in the West towards guests is just different. In India if your guests are treated badly, it's a poor reflection of our hospitality. I guess in the West if guests are treated badly, it's up to the guests to "harden up". Empirically, I've never felt this way in the four years I was in the U.S. So maybe it's local to Scotland, eh?

 

[Insomniac]

Sohum, 2 things - there is nothing indicative that THIS incident itself was a racial attack, I think we may have to wait a few days to find out about what the victim's views on this are - did he know his attacker(s), etc.

The other thing is that I think the police are trying to say / wish to express that minorities are targets, not necessarily Indians. I doubt that Indians are the only targets in Australia, I know that many other minority groups are targetted.

Also can we impose a ban on posters who decide to come on PlanetCricket and give their opinions while intoxicated?

 

[Cricketdude]

You've failed at your probability argument. 100% of the Indian population doesn't live in Australia. In fact, less than 10% of the Indian population live in Australia. So if more than 10% of the people surviving attacks in Australia are Indian, they are definitely being targeted from a probabilistic point of view.

I said probably 10% of the people surviving in hospital are Indian, not 10% of people in Indians in australia are hospitalized. Mind you it's probably even lower than 10% as it's just a guess.