India's tour of Australia - January 2016

[PokerAce]

Well with such a long tour just an year ago, and the result was white-wash in Australia, I don't think so a short format series was necessary when sub-continent teams knew what their fate would be.... so touring with such a short gap in between wasn't a good call. What you gonna do now, another series in early 2017 after this whitewash? Give yourself a break IMO. Had it been Pakistan, I would be having this same very view.

These sereis are not made based on past results. Australia toured India for just an ODI series, and India had yet to return the tour. When India toured India the bilateral ODI series hadn't happened, and instead the tri-series was held. So the return tour for ODIs was still pending and this is what is being held. Thus this series has been pencilled in for a long time and had to go through, regardless of what the result of the old series was.

Similarly the Test Series with Aus takes place seperately every two years. Aus toured in '13, India in '15, and Aus will return next year for it. These things are all already on the calendar and the results, whitewash or not, dont determine these things. Even Australia hosted India one year after they were whitewashed.

 

[greymatter776]

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[zwarrior]

Well. Instead of playing the same combination and not working out well, what's the harm in giving Rishi a chance ? What worse could happen? India is anyway loosing. You never know how good a player can be until he is tested. Seriously disappointed. Bowling not working out and from what I see in this thread, even fielding was bad today. ( I couldn't see the match). And India never tend to accelerate innings after 40+ over. These are some major flaws which need to be rectified if India wants to win. They should not be scared to make changes in the team. Otherwise they won't move on.

Slightly difficult for Rishi Dhawan to be picked - Dhoni | Cricket | ESPN Cricinfo

 

[PokerAce]

^ Just go with this line up -

Rohit
Rahane
Kohli
MSD
Mann
Jadeja
Rishi Dhawan
Ashwin
Bhuvi/Ishant/Umesh (Pick any 2)
Sran

 

[Na Maloom Afraad]

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[zwarrior]

^ Just go with this line up -

Rohit
Rahane
Kohli
MSD
Mann
Jadeja
Rishi Dhawan
Ashwin
Bhuvi/Ishant/Umesh (Pick any 2)
Sran

I don't see why Pandey should be dropped. Infact Pandey has more experience than Mann and Rishi. So, Pandey should be picked over Mann to have a balance in team if top order fails. Pandey has proved previously so many times that he can bring stability to the team. Also it would be very risky to bring both Mann and Rishi. So, I would pick Pandey over Mann anytime.

 

[PokerAce]

I don't see why Pandey should be dropped. Infact Pandey has more experience than Mann and Rishi. So, Pandey should be picked over Mann to have a balance in team if top order fails. Pandey has proved previously so many times that he can bring stability to the team. Also it would be very risky to bring both Mann and Rishi. So, I would pick Pandey over Mann anytime.

Actually Mann can bowl, and the more options the team has the better. Mann is also said to be an allrounder, so I think, its better. He averages 42 with the bat in List A and 47 in first class. He just gives that option with the ball as well.

 

[Aalay]

Our late order hitting is one of the main concern right now. We have a decent top order but there is no one who seems like they can hit during those death overs. This makes me even more interested to see how Hardik Pandya goes when he arrives for T20's. We know that he is a proper hitter and if he does well, I wouldn't mind fast tracking him into the ODI side just to give us an option at the back end of the inning. Raina is also another one which we need to go back simply because of his experience. Yes, he sucks against the bouncers but even if he can contribute those 30 runs at the back end of the inning, it will be handful. Even though I have never been concerned about Dhoni's form, he is really struggling to middle those slower balls. Bowlers are also targeting him wide outside the off stump where he is not as powerful as he is on the leg side.

Our catching needs to better and I don't know how many times I have said this but looking at our bowling attack, we need to catch every single thing that comes our way because they are so far and few. If you are going to drop simple catches, its not going to help.

I really don't know wha to say about our bowling. Saran looks decent but same old with other bowlers. Umesh has never been good under Dhoni. He just doesn't look the same bowler as he is under Kohli. Way too wayward for ODI bowling. The concern is we don't have other option back home as well.

 

[zwarrior]

Actually Mann can bowl, and the more options the team has the better. Mann is also said to be an allrounder, so I think, its better. He averages 42 with the bat in List A and 47 in first class. He just gives that option with the ball as well.

Yeah. But the team which you posted lack severely in confidence in middle order. Rahane is opening, I agree with that. Without Rahane middle order is nothing. And if top order (Kohli, Sharma, Jinx) fails, the team will surely collapse within 200. Pandey played well to bring stability in Zimbabwe tour when top order collapsed. He also played well in the practice match when top order collapsed. What I am telling is, he will surely make some contribution with bat in the middle order.Ya, Mann has good average in FC and List A and also can bowl. But Pandey has played in big tournaments and faced bigger challengers and he is a batsman to have in team compared to Mann and that too in an overseas tour.

I am not against Mann in anyway. Infact I want to see him play. But, not with that team. And moreover the team you posted have already 6 bowlers ( without considering Mann). Adding Another bowler will not make any difference, but adding a stable, mainstream batsman will make a difference.

 

[abhi_jacko]

I said after the first match that we are being a bit too harsh on the bowlers after one game. That thought is dying down after this game. It seems like the fast bowlers were very wayward and the fielding was even worse than the first game

If we go back an year ago to the World cup, our top order scored 300 odd runs against big teams like SAF and Pakistan, while our bowlers defended these scores very well - and this is where we are missing the experience and guile of someone like Shami. Ishant has made strides in Tests (finally) but he is nowhere close to being the pack leader in ODIs. Umesh is too wayward for ODIs.

Any idea why Aaron is not being picked for ODIs though - if I am not wrong, it seems like Umesh gets picked for ODIs while Aaron for Tests. Is he injured ?

Lastly, the reason we are not seeing the last 10 over flourish is because we actually do not have big hitters in the middle order anymore - except for Dhoni. Rahane is fantastic but we could see he was struggling with going after the bowling in the last 10. Jadeja can do a bit of damage but is not reliable to do it on a consistent basis. Ashwin is in the Rahane mould. Raina used to be good, but just wont work on Australian wickets. Time to draft in guys like Rishi and Gurkeerat.

Dhoni has to prove us wrong and change the line up drastically for the next game (he is known to be stubborn). Even toy with the concept of a pinch hitter if needed.

 

[grkrama]

I think dhawan for dhawan placement will suit well

Rohit
Rahane
Kohli
MSD
Pandey
Jadeja
Rishi Dhawan
Ashwin
Axar
bhuvi/Umesh
Sran


though the chance of ishant getting dropped is close to 0

 

[abhi_jacko]

Our catching needs to better and I don't know how many times I have said this but looking at our bowling attack, we need to catch every single thing that comes our way because they are so far and few. If you are going to drop simple catches, its not going to help.

What's odd is that our catching was excellent during the Tests against SAF. We hardly dropped anything

This sudden transition to Sgt. Butter Fingers is very strange. Are the fielding drills different during the Kohli regime and Dhoni regime?

 

[grkrama]

If we go back an year ago to the World cup, our top order scored 300 odd runs against big teams like SAF and Pakistan, while our bowlers defended these scores very well - and this is where we are missing the experience and guile of someone like Shami. Ishant has made strides in Tests (finally) but he is nowhere close to being the pack leader in ODIs. Umesh is too wayward for ODIs.

I honestly believe we are witnessing some of the best laid roads in AUS this series! I wouldnt compare them to the WC pitches they had something in them!

 

[Ohm]

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I found you were not the only person to be annoyed by that.

 

[PokerAce]

Yeah. But the team which you posted lack severely in confidence in middle order.

Well thats why I moved Dhoni at #4. This whole finisher thing is not working out as far as I can tell.

However if Mann gives way to Mayank Agarwal (or Manish pandey, whichever it is), it will be okay too.