India's tour of Australia - January 2016

[grkrama]

that was an edge Maxie escapes!

 

[PokerAce]

Has someone told the bowlers they will be fined if they bowl a yorker.

 

[PokerAce]

I can't fault Dhoni, I mean the field is set on the off side, they keep bowling on the leg. Any touch off the bat or pad and its a boundary.

What is a captain to do with sh!t bowling like this. If he sets the field both sides its easy to pick off the singles on a ground this big.

 

[PokerAce]

I would still play Ashwin ahead of Mann. Trust Rishi Dhawan a bit more with the bat.

Dhawan
Rohit
Kohli
Rahane
MSD
R Jadeja

Don't tell me India need even more batsmen to go with this line up.

Don't forget Rishi Dhawan can bat, he is not a finisher, but he can bat. So can Ashwin. Thats 8 people who can bat. I would even send in Rishi Dhawan early if India lose a few quick wickets and MS Dhoni wants to hold himself back for the finishing.

Basically pick any three fast bowlers from Bhuvi/Umesh/Ishant/Sran. It may be harsh on Sran but its needs to be said, they are all equally useless.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Yeah now someone come and blame Dhoni please for the loss. We are just a useless pace attack and cannot win unless the spinners come into play. Well played Australia for the series win. Deserving winners.

 

[Targaryen]

I would like to see Manish Pandey back in the team. He is far better than Gurkeerat Mann. GM was picked for his all-round ability but he has not performed to the extent of his ability.

Ashwin should be brought back into the team. He would have been resourceful today if he had given his place which he deserves to be.

I will go with the same bowling unit for the 4th ODI. Some changes has to be made if India really want to avoid the series whitewash.

 

[Ohm]

If we repeat the performance that we gave during 25-45 overs of second innings today - in last two matches, I hope we can snatch at least one win by the end of this series, and that will surely inspire us to perform better in T20s. I see 4-1 or 5-0 now; 3-2 would be quite unbelievable but amazing. Bowling and fielding seemed to be boosted up today after that Bailey's stumping wicket. Problem is, our bowlers and fielders let lose all the matches played so far until realizing that it's actually necessary to focus on playing good cricket, same as we did in the later half of 2nd innings. Sran was good on his debut, but now needs to be benched as his line & length has been too messed up (and also he's so ordinary with the pace). For me, Bhuvi should come in for next match replacing Sran and Ashwin for Mann. As long as our top & middle order is steady and capable of setting big totals, I don't think there is a requirement of one more genuine batsman (tbh that's just waste of a player). Another reason that we don't have an experienced batting option (a good finisher) down the order, better we stop picking Pandey and Mann. Ashwin and Rishi Dhawan can bat too, and also having them widens the availability of quality bowlers in team.

On other hand, it would be amusing if people start to beg for MSD's dismissal as captain (this situation is most likely to occur every time we lose with a comprehensive margin in overseas). Tbh, there was nothing more he could do. No matter how big critic of him I turn sometimes, I'll admit, this series was never his with the type of bowling unit he has and the way fielders have been performing (2x pathetic). The decisions he made in 2nd and today's match were good enough as a leader. Individually he looked so energetic today and should be applauded for his performance.

My preference would be to this lineup for next match,

S Dhawan
R Sharma
V Kohli
A Rahane
M Dhoni
Jadeja/Rishi
Rishi/Jadeja
Ashwin
Bhuvi
Umesh
Ishant

Ashwin can come before Jad and Rishi in some case if Rohit or Virat or Dhoni are going hot at one end as Ash is so well at rotating the strike without eating up too much deliveries.

 

[bigred]

Another perfect example of how awful the Indian seamers are. They are very fortunate that the next t20 WC is in India.

 

[zwarrior]

To be fair, even Australian seamers were bad. Even they gave as many runs as we gave. When Australia toured India, their bolwers were belted black and blue. It is normal for a visiting team to perform badly.
Saying the above thing, I agree India is performing badly in ODIs. Even loss to SA in home was proof that our team is not good. We are lacking someone who can bat after 40+ over with a good strike rate. And our bowling unit as a whole is bad except for few spinners. The fact that we are not producing any good fast bowlers shows that the only option we have is to find a good bowling coach. The coach will fine tune our bowlers. We are not producing any good bowlers from domestic cricket. So the only option is to find a good coach who can guide the bowling unit.

 

[bigred]

To be fair, even Australian seamers were bad. Even they gave as many runs as we gave. When Australia toured India, their bolwers were belted black and blue. It is normal for a visiting team to perform badly.
Saying the above thing, I agree India is performing badly in ODIs. Even loss to SA in home was proof that our team is not good. We are lacking someone who can bat after 40+ over with a good strike rate. And our bowling unit as a whole is bad except for few spinners. The fact that we are not producing any good fast bowlers shows that the only option we have is to find a good bowling coach. The coach will fine tune our bowlers. We are not producing any good bowlers from domestic cricket. So the only option is to find a good coach who can guide the bowling unit.

Australia didn't bowl great, but you could argue that their best 5 bowlers aren't playing in Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Coulter-Nile and Cummins.

 

[zwarrior]

Australia didn't bowl great, but you could argue that their best 5 bowlers aren't playing in Starc, Hazlewood, Pattinson, Coulter-Nile and Cummins.

Even our best bowler Shami is missing out. Even Ashwin was out of this match and seeing how Jaddu bowled, Ashwin would have bowled better too.
Also, I am not defending my bowlers.
But, at the end of the day, you can't tell that our best bowler could have bowled really well in this pitch. It all comes down to how the team performed, doesn't matter whether the team had best bowlers or worst bowlers. When you are comparing player-to-player, you have to compare between the players who have played in the match. Not with the players who haven;t played.
Who knows they would have bowled well here? They might have performed bad too. I agree, players like Stac and Hazlewood is better, but you simply can't compare the players who haven't played the match with the ones who had bowled.

 

[bigred]

Even our best bowler Shami is missing out. Even Ashwin was out of this match and seeing how Jaddu bowled, Ashwin would have bowled better too.
Also, I am not defending my bowlers.
But, at the end of the day, you can't tell that our best bowler could have bowled really well in this pitch. It all comes down to how the team performed, doesn't matter whether the team had best bowlers or worst bowlers. When you are comparing player-to-player, you have to compare between the players who have played in the match. Not with the players who haven;t played.
Who knows they would have bowled well here? They might have performed bad too. I agree, players like Stac and Hazlewood is better, but you simply can't compare the players who haven't played the match with the ones who had bowled.

I agree to a point, but I don't think we can treat Shami being missing the same way as Starc and Hazlewood being missing. Shami is average at best, whereas the Aussie bowlers are world class. That leaves a massive hole in a side. It's like saying it would be the same if both Kohli and Mitchell Marsh were missing through injury. It wouldn't be the same as India would feel a far greater loss than Australia.

 

[AliB]

Maxwell proved his capabilities. At the the time he came Australia were 150-3 and lost other three in a short span of time. Even he bowled pretty well, only gave 46 off his 9. Our bowlers are terribly missingf Shami who take wickets and also bowls yorkers and bouncers which our current bowlers are unable to.

 

[Targaryen]

Maxwell proved his capabilities. At the the time he came Australia were 150-3 and lost other three in a short span of time. Even he bowled pretty well, only gave 46 off his 9. Our bowlers are terribly missingf Shami who take wickets and also bowls yorkers and bouncers which our current bowlers are unable to.

He is well known to the world as a fine finisher of the game. He did his job quite well, I don't think he is able to play the short balls with too much of pace. He got out for the same ball.

He should sort this weakness as early as possible or else it don't take much time to get him down just like Suresh Raina.

 

[zwarrior]

I agree to a point, but I don't think we can treat Shami being missing the same way as Starc and Hazlewood being missing. Shami is average at best, whereas the Aussie bowlers are world class. That leaves a massive hole in a side. It's like saying it would be the same if both Kohli and Mitchell Marsh were missing through injury. It wouldn't be the same as India would feel a far greater loss than Australia.

Shami was 5th in the most leading wicket taker in World cup. He even played 1 match less than other top 4 players. Only Aussie who was ahead of Shami was Starc. Shami has taken 87 wickets in 47 matches. He needs 13 wickets in 6 matches to be the fastest to take 100 wickets. And you are telling Shami is average?
And the way you are implying that if player 'X' had played this match he would have bowled really well is just nonsense.
If you wanna compare like that, we can also tell that we were missing Shami and Ashwin. But I won't.

At the end Aussie were better than India as they batted well after 40+ overs. Bowlers were the same irrespective of who played and who didn't play.