India's tour of Australia - January 2016

'I dont like how much they glorify Smith.' Glorifies India's batting line up and says India can thrash Australia in their home ground
 
lol Just because a bowler bowls at 120 KMH doesn't mean he can't pick wickets. He has proved he can be a match winner before also.
And I am talking about Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy(T20).
Anyway looking forward to see how MSD uses Bumrah.
 
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Let's not forget that this Australian team is just really good in their backyard. Most of this team is yet to have been tested. I'm diving into another discussion but I would like to emphasize a few points here. These Australian commentators have really glorified Steve Smith's batting accomplishments and it's getting quite annoying at least for me to hear about his form against India. Now I'm not saying that smith isn't good but his runs have all came in non subcontinent conditions and mostly against a pathetic Indian bowling line up. So I really don't understand the amount of praise he keeps getting from these Australian commentators. To be honest it seems as if people think he's better than someone like kohli( which makes no sense).Some praise is alright but after all he has yet to be tested and he will be tested when he comes to India next year. Also aus are really good with the bat because of their depth. They've got basically 11 players who can contribute with the bat whereas India pretty much has like 4. And if you ask me I'll say India has the best top order batting(better than Aus as well) however stupid bowling ruins their performances. I will say this that if this Indian team plays to its full potential they could have thrashed this Australian side, but that hasn't happened. We've been asked to bat and chosen to bat first in each of the games and we've been at a disadvantage as well due to those two flat pitches on which the team batting second does have an advantage. Now speaking of those flat pitches I've got another point to relate to. How about we criticize those pitches for not producing and equal contenst between bat and ball like people started saying during the test series against SA in India when we were winning. Why aren't those two flat pitches getting any criticism? I don't think they were really good wickets all at all considering all the flak the Nagpur and Mohali pitch were getting for being too advantageous for bowling.

I agree Smith has yet to be fully tested in Asia, but as long as he is scoring runs he is going to be glorified and the same is true of all cricketers. However what I can't deny is that an Asian batsman must score outside Asia to be considered good, but non-Asian batsmen can fail all they want in Asia without having their skills questioned.

Take the case of Ponting. He averages a pathetically low 26.5 in India, and yet it doesn't seem to affect his legacy. Some morons even say he, who couldn't play spin to save his life, was a more complete batsman than Tendulkar who actually averages more away from India, than he does in India. Can you imagine how quickly Tendulkar would have been burried by these morons if he averaged 26 in Australia and not 58? A low avg in Aus would be held against Tendulkar and it would have been said he can only score in the sub-continent and what not, but Ponting being pathetic against spin is no problem.

Smith vs Kohli is kind of the same argument. One bad tour to Eng is forever a blemish on Kohli, but Smith and Root and co. will be free to come to India and get away with scoring nothing, like Ponting and Lara (avg of 35 vs India) have for their entire careers. Now imagine Tendulkar averaging 26.5 in England and 35 vs Australia and think of how the situation would be different for him.

I also don't agree that India could thrash Australia in Australia. The batsmen are playing to their potential, and sadly so are the bowlers. This is their peak. Its no accident Ishant averages an apalling 36 with the ball, after 7 years of Int'l cricket. Honestly look around the world, he would not even make the second string side of any other top team in the world. Aus - No, SA - No, Eng - No, Pak - No, NZ - No, SL - No. I think even WI would not pick him. That this guy is the spearhead of the India line up tells you all you need to know about the state of Indian bowling.

India banks heavily in spinners for getting wickets and outside India, its hard as every team does its utmost to ensure the India spinners have no help from the pitch at all, when India go there. Which is fair enough, every must play to its strength and has a right to decide what kind of pitches they prepare.

Also, I will be the first to admit that Asian pitches are overly criticised. The slightest hint of spin and people go mad and overboard with criticism. The is true of flat wickets too. A flat wickets in Asia like the one for the first test in Pak vs Eng series, gets labelled as a road, runway, and what not, but a flat pitch in Aus vs NZ 2nd test I think where every batsman and his dog scored a hundred, barely get any flack and the runs are celebrated.

However in ODIs flat tracks is the norm. You will rarely see an ODI played on a track that doesnt help batsmen. So I really don't think the flat tracks in Australia are something to be critical about.

I do agree that the strength of Australia has hurt the Indian bowling and they seem to be worse than they are, but having said, they actual standard is not far off from where they are. Indian bowling just has been terrible. India have now lost 3 straight ODI series under Dhoni (B'desh, SA and now Aus), and the bowling was to blame in two of them for sure.
 
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Why on earth BCCI cant have an experienced international bowler as our bowling coach ?[DOUBLEPOST=1453134418][/DOUBLEPOST]These 1 match wonder bowlers can get some help from him.
 
Also, maybe its time we got a full time coach ?? How long will we keep working with Shastri in the floating position as "team director"
 
Why on earth BCCI cant have an experienced international bowler as our bowling coach ? --- Double Post Merged, 5 minutes ago --- These 1 match wonder bowlers can get some help from him.
Yeah, when bowlers can't perform better at least get a good coach. I remember someone else too had said this earlier here, I have to agree on this. Our overseas bowling performance (all except world cup) were just unacceptable in recent years. Batting has been improved overseas, but bowling is the actual concern.
 
Irony is Nehra being selected to Indian national team and dropped from Delhi team.
 
I agree Smith has yet to be fully tested in Asia, but as long as he is scoring runs he is going to be glorified and the same is true of all cricketers. However what I can't deny is that an Asian batsman must score outside Asia to be considered good, but non-Asian batsmen can fail all they want in Asia without having their skills questioned.

Take the case of Ponting. He averages a pathetically low 26.5 in India, and yet it doesn't seem to affect his legacy. Some morons even say he, who couldn't play spin to save his life, was a more complete batsman than Tendulkar who actually averages more away from India, than he does in India. Can you imagine how quickly Tendulkar would have been burried by these morons if he averaged 26 in Australia and not 58? A low avg in Aus would be held against Tendulkar and it would have been said he can only score in the sub-continent and what not, but Ponting being pathetic against spin is no problem.

Smith vs Kohli is kind of the same argument. One bad tour to Eng is forever a blemish on Kohli, but Smith and Root and co. will be free to come to India and get away with scoring nothing, like Ponting and Lara (avg of 35 vs India) have for their entire careers. Now imagine Tendulkar averaging 26.5 in England and 35 vs Australia and think of how the situation would be different for him.

I also don't agree that India could thrash Australia in Australia. The batsmen are playing to their potential, and sadly so are the bowlers. This is their peak. Its no accident Ishant averages an apalling 36 with the ball, after 7 years of Int'l cricket. Honestly look around the world, he would not even make the second string side of any other top team in the world. Aus - No, SA - No, Eng - No, Pak - No, NZ - No, SL - No. I think even WI would not pick him. That this guy is the spearhead of the India line up tells you all you need to know about the state of Indian bowling.

India banks heavily in spinners for getting wickets and outside India, its hard as every team does its utmost to ensure the India spinners have no help from the pitch at all, when India go there. Which is fair enough, every must play to its strength and has a right to decide what kind of pitches they prepare.

Also, I will be the first to admit that Asian pitches are overly criticised. The slightest hint of spin and people go mad and overboard with criticism. The is true of flat wickets too. A flat wickets in Asia like the one for the first test in Pak vs Eng series, gets labelled as a road, runway, and what not, but a flat pitch in Aus vs NZ 2nd test I think where every batsman and his dog scored a hundred, barely get any flack and the runs are celebrated.

However in ODIs flat tracks is the norm. You will rarely see an ODI played on a track that doesnt help batsmen. So I really don't think the flat tracks in Australia are something to be critical about.

I do agree that the strength of Australia has hurt the Indian bowling and they seem to be worse than they are, but having said, they actual standard is not far off from where they are. Indian bowling just has been terrible. India have now lost 3 straight ODI series under Dhoni (B'desh, SA and now Aus), and the bowling was to blame in two of them for sure.

Ya and that part of it is unfair where sub continent batsman have to perform good abroad but non subcontinent batsman can get away with poor performances in the sub continent. You can't call yourself a complete batsman if you can't perform in different conditions and that should apply to any batsman. For Australian batsman going to play in SA or West Indies that's just basically like playing in their backyard. So the real test for Australia would be tour of England and tours of subcontinent. Also one day pitches should have something in it for the bowlers to keep them interested not at bay like the first two matches. The Melbourne pitch I thought was really good. Also yes I don't think we could trash Australia in Australia but we definitely could beat them 3-2 if we bowled better. It's disappointing that even after posting match winning totals in the first innings in each of the matches so far we have lost all 3. Those are definitely game winning totals against most nations. I think it's time bcci hires a bowling coach and that too a foreign bowling coach.
 
lol Just because a bowler bowls at 120 KMH doesn't mean he can't pick wickets. He has proved he can be a match winner before also.
And I am talking about Syed Mushtaq Ali trophy(T20).
Anyway looking forward to see how MSD uses Bumrah.

We already have Kumar in the team who bowls military medium. We need some fast medium or fast bowlers. Bumrah fits that bill. And he has done really well in the recent Vijay Hazare trophy, so he deserves his chance.

Irfan is a done case. He is very unlikely to make a grand comeback in the India scheme of things.
 
I do agree that the strength of Australia has hurt the Indian bowling and they seem to be worse than they are, but having said, they actual standard is not far off from where they are. Indian bowling just has been terrible. India have now lost 3 straight ODI series under Dhoni (B'desh, SA and now Aus), and the bowling was to blame in two of them for sure.

Another factor that hasn't helped Indian bowling is the terrible fielding/catching that happened in the first two games (atleast). The few chances that were created by the bowlers were fluffed

Which is weird considering the same bunch of players were taking stunning catches against SAF in India in Tests, which requires extended periods of concentration. Like I said: are the fielding drills different for the ODI and Test sides?
 
Take the case of Ponting. He averages a pathetically low 26.5 in India, and yet it doesn't seem to affect his legacy.

I had totally forgotten about this LOL !! And its not even a skewed stat where he went there for a series and failed. Its over 14 Tests (25 innings), with just 1 century.

Also Lara averages in the 30s in India and NZ :| His Home average (58) is 11 average units higher than his away (47). Ditto for Ponting where his home is (56) is 11 units higher than his away (45).

Comparing this to Sachin/Dravid whose averages are 2 units higher in Away games. I can totally see massive questions being raised about the greatness of Sachin/Dravid if this was the other way round. They still are despite all this (ridonkulus)
 
Irony is Nehra being selected to Indian national team and dropped from Delhi team.
It is a common procedure followed by almost all the States Cricket Boards. The reason is because if they still keep a player in the team who is selected for national side then they lose a player in their squad and there is no chance for other player to replace him.

In short, players who are selected to national team will be dropped by state team to give other player a chance to discover himself.

This is done when a player is selected for a foriegn tour and he will not be able to return until tour gets over. This is not done in case of team playing tour matches in their home.
 
Read an article that said that Sran and Jadeja barely bowled in the nets. So basically Sran likely to give way to Bhuvi, and Jadeja to give way to Ashwin. Though it also said that Ashwin could play ahead of Rishi Dhawan too. Which makes perfect sense, after what happened in the 3rd ODI. I mean why wouldn't you drop the one guy who bowled well in what otherwise was a poor bowling effort all around.

Also it said Mann could give way for Manish Pandey (or Mayank Agarwal whichever of the two it is)
 
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