IPL-Nothing more then another Rebel League

[Howsie]

Lloyd criticises Windies preparations:

Cricinfo - Lloyd criticises Windies preparations

Lloyd hinted he was not entirely convinced at the reasons offered by the West Indies board for Bravo's continued participation for the Mumbai Indians while the Test series in England proceeds. Bravo was officially stood down from the two Tests against England after the Windies medical staffed deemed his ankle not yet ready for the rigours of Test cricket, but some, including respected Caribbean commentator Tony Cozier, have pondered whether Bravo's move was in some part motivated by his well-publicised feud with the WICB. The player himself is clearly not feeling any side-effects, having starred for Mumbai Indians with a matchwinning 70 not out on Tuesday

There is no difference between the IPL and ICL, I thought the IPL was created to stop players from going to the ICL whilst still playing for there country. I remember when this first come out and we were told that it would not affect players playing for there country, if the IPL was not on right now Dwayne Bravo would be playing for the West Indies, I have no doubt about that. I feel that if your country is playing international cricket you should be banned from playing in the IPL. The day your team leaves to go to another country to play cricket is the day the ban should take place. If Bravo was playing in the ICL, just like Shane Bond was told he wouldn?t miss ANY games for his country.

 

[Dare]

Well lots of things about the ICL were made up by the BCCI just so all the cricket boards dont recognize the ICL. They are almost the same thing, the only main difference is that the boards are more or less forced into supporting the IPL. Everyone is trying to push for a window to be created for the IPL so that the players can go and make money but the truth is that not every player will get signed. Only the ones that are big names or the ones that get referred by someone will get signed.

As for Bravos case I'm sure it goes deeper than his injured ankle. He had a few choice words for the WICB when he was injured and away from the game and that might have had a big impact on his decision. He can handle playing a game every 2nd day and practicing in between those days and then coming straight from the IPL and playing ODIs and 20/20s in England but he cant handle playing 2 Tests and a week to rest in between them. I didn't like the WICBs decision to let Gayle stay longer but he was never a fan of this England tour after it was announced.

Im all for a window being created for the IPL so that players can make good money but the truth is that only a small number of all the players playing for each country will get that money so the financial impact wont be felt in the domestic cricket of some of these countries.

 

[SciD]

Bravo was not selected by his board so how come its bad that he is scoring runs for MI in IPL. If he is selected for WI team now also then noway Bravo would be declining them.

 

[angryangy]

To say there should be bans is to ignore the legal rights that the home boards already have over contracted players. Cricket Australia has exercised their rights over many Australian players this season. If the boards don't have enough contractual power to pull a player out of IPL when they want to use him, then that's really an isolated problem. Chris Gayle actually seems pretty disenfranchised with international cricket in general. They may eventually lose him no matter what they do.

In Bravo's case, the bottom line is that he wasn't picked. Personally, I'm not convinced that if a player can handle domestic T20s then he should waltz into Test cricket, but if the only concern was his ankle during bowling, then he certainly should have been picked in the Test squad as a batsman. He may not be a complete player as a specialist, but look at some of the guys they did pick. At best they are unproven, if not conclusively third rate cricketers. Can you safely say that are each a better batsman than Bravo? They may be worth developing, but you don't blood all your new guys all at once.

 

[tech.007]

West Indies Cricket has always been down and players except a few dont seem to be interested in improving it...There is no point in criticizing the IPL ..it will only benefit them.

 

[King Cricket]

I feel that if your country is playing international cricket you should be banned from playing in the IPL. The day your team leaves to go to another country to play cricket is the day the ban should take place

That's a valid point. I agree with you.

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West Indies Cricket has always been down and players except a few dont seem to be interested in improving it...There is no point in criticizing the IPL ..it will only benefit them

What Bravo did, it was just shocking. Putting the IPL ahead of intl duty- this is not what we expect from intl stars. Yes, the IPL should be there- it's a fantastic league and has everything in it- but you should always put your country ahead of it. Doing duty for your country- that must be your first priority- the IPL should come next. Otherwise, soon cricket will become like football- where clubs have so much power that they can even stop a player from playing for his country in the Olympics (Barcelona and Ronaldinho)

 

[SciD]

Once again:
Bravo did not chose IPL over WI. It was selectors who dropped him for test series.

 

[King Cricket]

Bravo did not chose IPL over WI. It was selectors who dropped him for test series.

Because Bravo told them that he had received some kind of (God knows what kind of) injury- and his doctor has told him not to take part in any competitive test/ODI match which demands full physical fitness. And why is he playing in the IPL then? Because T-20 is not serious cricket, and it's just for fun.

 

[Kev]

I think its fairly obvious that at least 1 West Indies player chose IPL over country. That person is Gayle though.

Ok, I guess the Windies players have a slight point when bring up the fact that the tour was arranged late and they were expecting to play in IPL. But it's a long way from the soundbites we were hearing about IPL not interfering with Internationals and taking a backseat.

As to the original question of "Is IPL nothing more than another rebel league?" The only difference between IPL and ICL is IPL is backed by the board. It makes me laugh that people were so easily persuaded that IPL=The good league and ICL=The bad one. To me ICL always seemed like it would have been better for Indian domestic cricket had it been allowed to grow unhindered.

I'll also admit to being a bit miffed that IPL crashes the English domestic season (although it seems thats changing). But what really gets my goat up is the players are so dishonest about their reasons for wanting to play in it. "It's a fantastic experience" and "Playing with the best players in the world" are 2 phrases that are really starting to grate! Is a test series not a contest between 2 nations players best players?? Aren't those players included in the best players in the world list all of a sudden (ok, not if that series is against England!). I would just for once like to see a player being honest and say "I only went because they waved a shat load of cash under my nose"!

 

[Precambrian]

Lloyd criticises Windies preparations:

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There is no difference between the IPL and ICL, I thought the IPL was created to stop players from going to the ICL whilst still playing for there country. I remember when this first come out and we were told that it would not affect players playing for there country, if the IPL was not on right now Dwayne Bravo would be playing for the West Indies, I have no doubt about that. I feel that if your country is playing international cricket you should be banned from playing in the IPL. The day your team leaves to go to another country to play cricket is the day the ban should take place. If Bravo was playing in the ICL, just like Shane Bond was told he wouldn?t miss ANY games for his country.

Bravo was injured, and was deemed unfit to take part in the test series in WI. Somehow WICB deemed he can play in the IPL. How IPL is at fault here?

You also conveniently forget that WI players had signed IPL contracts way before the Eng-WI test series was organised. The reason? ECB had to honor a commitment to their broadcasters and nothing else. WI players were not consulted before the series was finalised and WI players have every right to be disappointed and angry at losing out on IPL money for a test series organised purely to honor a contract.

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I think its fairly obvious that at least 1 West Indies player chose IPL over country. That person is Gayle though.

Ok, I guess the Windies players have a slight point when bring up the fact that the tour was arranged late and they were expecting to play in IPL. But it's a long way from the soundbites we were hearing about IPL not interfering with Internationals and taking a backseat.

As to the original question of "Is IPL nothing more than another rebel league?" The only difference between IPL and ICL is IPL is backed by the board. It makes me laugh that people were so easily persuaded that IPL=The good league and ICL=The bad one. To me ICL always seemed like it would have been better for Indian domestic cricket had it been allowed to grow unhindered.

I'll also admit to being a bit miffed that IPL crashes the English domestic season (although it seems thats changing). But what really gets my goat up is the players are so dishonest about their reasons for wanting to play in it. "It's a fantastic experience" and "Playing with the best players in the world" are 2 phrases that are really starting to grate! Is a test series not a contest between 2 nations players best players?? Aren't those players included in the best players in the world list all of a sudden (ok, not if that series is against England!). I would just for once like to see a player being honest and say "I only went because they waved a shat load of cash under my nose"!

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Players being dishonest? What mate are you really onto? Bopara frankly credited IPL for his super success in the first test. Go on, make up stories. Amusing really.

And oh, West Indies is not a country. It is a team made from a group of countries in the Carribean. To expect them to have "pride in playing for their country" is as good as expecting Jaques Kallis to grind or die while playing for Africa XI. It's plain hard.

 

[Howsie]

Bravo was injured, and was deemed unfit to take part in the test series in WI. Somehow WICB deemed he can play in the IPL. How IPL is at fault here?

You also conveniently forget that WI players had signed IPL contracts way before the Eng-WI test series was organised. The reason? ECB had to honor a commitment to their broadcasters and nothing else. WI players were not consulted before the series was finalised and WI players have every right to be disappointed and angry at losing out on IPL money for a test series organised purely to honor a contract.

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Players being dishonest? What mate are you really onto? Bopara frankly credited IPL for his super success in the first test. Go on, make up stories. Amusing really.

And oh, West Indies is not a country. It is a team made from a group of countries in the Carribean. To expect them to have "pride in playing for their country" is as good as expecting Jaques Kallis to grind or die while playing for Africa XI. It's plain hard.

First of, if there was no IPL Bravo would be in England right now playing atleast as a batsmen. Have you read anything from Tony Cozier over the last two weeks, even he knows there is something deeper then the supposed injury. And how has the IPL helped Bopara, show me the link where he says that. What helped him in that first test was poor bowling, poor umpiring, and even worse fielding. I very much doubt the IPL helped Bopara, it didn't do anything for Pieterson. :

 

[Precambrian]

First of, if there was no IPL Bravo would be in England right now playing atleast as a batsmen. Have you read anything from Tony Cozier over the last two weeks, even he knows there is something deeper then the supposed injury.

You are dreaming up conspiracies in your own mind. Do you think what? WICB entered into a compromise with IPL and let Bravo play? : Give me link to substantiate what you are arguing.

And how has the IPL helped Bopara, show me the link where he says that. What helped him in that first test was poor bowling, poor umpiring, and even worse fielding. I very much doubt the IPL helped Bopara, it didn't do anything for Pieterson. :

Because Pietersen was crap in the IPL too. Bopara played himself into good form with his stint in SA.

Bopara credits IPL for helping him score second Test ton - Express India

Bopara credits IPL for helping him score second Test ton

Bopara hails IPL after Test century - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

 

[Howsie]

?I wasn?t thinking too much about it (the change from Twenty20 to Tests) in the last couple of days, I felt very relaxed,? Bopara said after scoring his second hundred in only the fifth Test of his career. ?I think sometimes it works to your advantage when you come from a place where you are trying to play positively get into better positions. Sometimes when you are negative, you can poke around a little. My instinct is to hit every ball,? the Daily Telegraph quoted him, as saying.

Where does he say "The IPL helped me" And what did the IPL do for Paul Collingwood, nothing. He could of been playing for Durham instead of being in South Africa, the IPL did nothing to help him.

You are dreaming up conspiracies in your own mind. Do you think what? WICB entered into a compromise with IPL and let Bravo play? Give me link to substantiate what you are arguing.

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It's pretty common knowledge that while Bravo was injured he was having disputes with the WICB about money. To me Bravo looks fit enough to play cricket, and the only reason he wasn't "selected" for the test team was because he was "apparently" injured. Which he clearly isn't.

 

[Precambrian]

Where does he say "The IPL helped me" And what did the IPL do for Paul Collingwood, nothing. He could of been playing for Durham instead of being in South Africa, the IPL did nothing to help him.

Are you blind? Or is your comprehension of english that weak?

I think sometimes it works to your advantage when you come from a place where you are trying to play positively get into better positions. can be read as "When you are playing positive cricket (IPL), it helps".

Or a planetful of cricket journos are complete morons.

It's pretty common knowledge that while Bravo was injured he was having disputes with the WICB about money. To me Bravo looks fit enough to play cricket, and the only reason he wasn't "selected" for the test team was because he was "apparently" injured. Which he clearly isn't.

So what? That's entirely between Bravo and WICB. What has IPL got to do with it? Don't be ridiculous.

 

[Howsie]

So what? That's entirely between Bravo and WICB. What has IPL got to do with it? Don't be ridiculous

Oh I wonder, if the IPL wasn't being staged right now where would Bravo be. The IPL shouldn't get in the way of international cricket, and it clearly is.

Are you blind? Or is your comprehension of english that weak?

I think sometimes it works to your advantage when you come from a place where you are trying to play positively get into better positions. can be read as "When you are playing positive cricket (IPL), it helps".

Or a planetful of cricket journos are complete morons.

He doesn't say that though, he just says playing positive cricket has helped him. He could of been playing positive cricket in England. Journo's twist words around a lot these days, just ask Chris Gayle.