IPL-Nothing more then another Rebel League

[Precambrian]

Oh I wonder, if the IPL wasn't being staged right now where would Bravo be. The IPL shouldn't get in the way of international cricket, and it clearly is.

Load of crap. Had it been a scheduled series by the ICC future tours program, I'd agree. Instead, ECB just wanted to please it's broadcaster and arranged the series with just that intention and nothing else. Nobody is interested in this series even though it is an international one. And bloody ridiculous timing. WI players had already entered into IPL contracts, and despite that, they fully honored the commitment. Bravo's case has nothing to do with IPL as he was declared unfit for Eng series by WICB, and was released for IPL by the same WICB. Get it? No? IQ Test Labs - free online testing.

He doesn't say that though, he just says playing positive cricket has helped him. He could of been playing positive cricket in England. Journo's twist words around a lot these days, just ask Chris Gayle.

You really are one desperate right? Bopara was in SA for 2 weeks before the series. And what positive play he displayed in England before the test match?

 

[King Pietersen]

The IPL did help Bopara. Playing against decent bowlers and having the chance to learn from some very talented guys in the Kings XI side. I'm sure it was more of a challenge knocking quality bowlers around on South African decks as opposed to playing FC cricket for Essex and smacking about some crap bowlers on flat wickets. The IPL not only helped Rav get into some knick, but will also help his game as an OD opener, which is a position he's trying cement in the England team. I don't think there's any way that the IPL can have negatively impacted on Bopara's career.

Precamb's right as well. The dispute is between Bravo and the WICB and goes back to comments he made when injured iirc, and the fact that he isn't fit to play Test cricket. He's barely played any 4 Day domestic cricket, if any at all, and is seen as not fit enough. Maybe he should have been there as a batsman only, but that's the WICB's decision, not Bravos and certainly not Lalit Modi's. The reason he's not in England right now is due to the WICB, not the IPL.

 

[Highlander999]

Load of crap. Had it been a scheduled series by the ICC future tours program, I'd agree. Instead, ECB just wanted to please it's broadcaster and arranged the series with just that intention and nothing else.

Err, I think it is called preperation for the Ashes as we were due to be playing Sri Lanka now. Maybe the broadcaster did play a role, but the main concern is getting international cricket experience, due to this big summer for England and Aussie fans.

Also regarding your point about no one caring about this series. That might be true on this forum, but the majority of this forum are Indian, so why should they care? In England it has been getting the usual coverage any test would.

 

[King Pietersen]

I care about this series. I want us to win the Wisden Trophy back and get some confidence going into a vitally important Ashes series. International cricket in the lead up to the Ashes could be key, will also give us a good idea of who to play come Cardiff.

 

[Howsie]

Load of crap. Had it been a scheduled series by the ICC future tours program, I'd agree. Instead, ECB just wanted to please it's broadcaster and arranged the series with just that intention and nothing else. Nobody is interested in this series even though it is an international one. And bloody ridiculous timing. WI players had already entered into IPL contracts, and despite that, they fully honored the commitment. Bravo's case has nothing to do with IPL as he was declared unfit for Eng series by WICB, and was released for IPL by the same WICB. Get it? No? IQ Test Labs - free online testing.

Still even if this series was decided upon late, the IPL should not get on the way of international cricket. Bravo would be in England if there was no IPL, or do you think he would choose to have a holiday in South Africa over playing for his country?

And Bopara didn't say anything about the IPL helping his career. He just said he helped him bat more positively. He could of gone to any country in the world and got the same experience playing 20/20, the IPL did nothing.

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[Precambrian]

Err, I think it is called preperation for the Ashes as we were due to be playing Sri Lanka now. Maybe the broadcaster did play a role, but the main concern is getting international cricket experience, due to this big summer for England and Aussie fans.

Look, I am going to report you if you are hell bent on baiting some reply from me. Because I never said playing IPL is excellent preparation for test cricket. I just said Ravi Bopara, the horse himself, subscribed to the idealogy that T20 cricket helps preparing for T20 cricket. Whether I agree with that or not, is not relevant. So you are barking up the wrong tree. Oh, if you really want my thoughts on it, Tendulkar said he hardly practises for hours these days in the nets. He merely taps a few here and there, and assures he is having the timing going. So Tendulkar apparently do not subscribe to conditioning oneself to the weather in the country touring. I subscribe to him because he is my god. Whatever be the excuse, ECB just wanted to honor a stupid clause in the agreement and bought in WICB for it. It has no goodwill whatsoever from players who wanted to play in the IPL. (Though I don't think many from WI would really be unhappy, perhaps Edwards and Gayle, and Taylor maybe)

Also regarding your point about no one caring about this series. That might be true on this forum, but the majority of this forum are Indian, so why should they care? In England it has been getting the usual coverage any test would.

No, what are the attendances for the test match? And is that a patch on the attendance for IPL despite it being 7/11th Indian competition played in SA?

 

[Howsie]

The IPL did help Bopara. Playing against decent bowlers and having the chance to learn from some very talented guys in the Kings XI side. I'm sure it was more of a challenge knocking quality bowlers around on South African decks as opposed to playing FC cricket for Essex and smacking about some crap bowlers on flat wickets. The IPL not only helped Rav get into some knick, but will also help his game as an OD opener, which is a position he's trying cement in the England team. I don't think there's any way that the IPL can have negatively impacted on Bopara's career.

Precamb's right as well. The dispute is between Bravo and the WICB and goes back to comments he made when injured iirc, and the fact that he isn't fit to play Test cricket. He's barely played any 4 Day domestic cricket, if any at all, and is seen as not fit enough. Maybe he should have been there as a batsman only, but that's the WICB's decision, not Bravos and certainly not Lalit Modi's. The reason he's not in England right now is due to the WICB, not the IPL.

But if the IPL wasn't around Bravo would be playing for the West Indies right now. If the IPL actually cared about anything else either then money then they wouldn't allow for this to happen.

 

[Precambrian]

I care about this series. I want us to win the Wisden Trophy back and get some confidence going into a vitally important Ashes series. International cricket in the lead up to the Ashes could be key, will also give us a good idea of who to play come Cardiff.

So it is just a curtain raiser for the ashes series? So it does not have a place of it's own as a test series and is relevant just because it is preceding the ashes?

 

[King Pietersen]

Bravo would not have been in England right now if the IPL wasn't going ahead. Well, he may have been in England but he certainly wouldn't have been playing. He's not fit enough to play Test cricket. That's been clearly stated by the WICB. The dispute between Bravo and the WICB didn't help things either, but I'm certain that if the IPL did not exist, Bravo would not have been playing Test cricket right now.

Also, Bopara couldn't have gone elsewhere to play T20 cricket, as there's nowhere else to go, meaning the IPL did help him. As it provided a platform for him to develop that more positive game.

 

[Howsie]

No, what are the attendances for the test match? And is that a patch on the attendance for IPL despite it being 7/11th Indian competition played in SA?

What's that got to do with this topic, of course there are going to be more people at those games.

 

[Precambrian]

Still even if this series was decided upon late, the IPL should not get on the way of international cricket. Bravo would be in England if there was no IPL, or do you think he would choose to have a holiday in South Africa over playing for his country?

Bravo didn't choose IPL over WI for the 100,000th time. WICB chose not to pick Bravo. Whether IPL was there or not would not have made an iota of difference.

And Bopara didn't say anything about the IPL helping his career. He just said he helped him bat more positively. He could of gone to any country in the world and got the same experience playing 20/20, the IPL did nothing.

Continue to keep your eyes and ears shut with your blind hate for IPL. Bopara indeed said IPL helped him to play positive. The fact that he "might" have got that experience elsewhere is absolutely irrelevant point here. What is relevant is that IPL helped him. And he admitted that. I don't want to discuss this with you anymore since it is hurting the cells that reason in my brain.

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Precambrian added 1 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...

What's that got to do with this topic, of course there are going to be more people at those games.

That was between Highlander99 and me. A private joke if you insist. Ok?

 

[Howsie]

Bravo would not have been in England right now if the IPL wasn't going ahead. Well, he may have been in England but he certainly wouldn't have been playing. He's not fit enough to play Test cricket. That's been clearly stated by the WICB. The dispute between Bravo and the WICB didn't help things either, but I'm certain that if the IPL did not exist, Bravo would not have been playing Test cricket right now.

Also, Bopara couldn't have gone elsewhere to play T20 cricket, as there's nowhere else to go, meaning the IPL did help him. As it provided a platform for him to develop that more positive game.

Thats not what Cozier thinks, he is certain Bravo could play just as a batsmen. Bravo is doing both things at the moment in the IPL by the way, he doesn't look injured at all. Bravo just needs the money because the WICB shafted him.

Howsie added 2 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

Bravo didn't choose IPL over WI for the 100,000th time. WICB chose not to pick Bravo. Whether IPL was there or not would not have made an iota of difference.



Continue to keep your eyes and ears shut with your blind hate for IPL. Bopara indeed said IPL helped him to play positive. The fact that he "might" have got that experience elsewhere is absolutely irrelevant point here. What is relevant is that IPL helped him. And he admitted that. I don't want to discuss this with you anymore since it is hurting the cells that reason in my brain.



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Precambrian added 1 Minutes and 17 Seconds later...


That was between Highlander99 and me. A private joke if you insist. Ok?

Sweet I win.

 

[King Pietersen]

He could have played as a batsman, but the West Indies selectors didn't pick him to fulfill that role. Therefore it's their fault, not the IPL's.

As for him 'doing things' in the IPL, there's a hell of a difference between playing a T20 game and playing a 5 Day Test match. Bravo has needed a day of rest after each IPL game to allow him to properly recover from playing. It's far less demanding swinging a bat in a T20 game and bowling 4 overs than it is bowling 20odd overs and batting for a few hours in a Test match, add on to the fact that he'd have to be in the field for a long, long time.

 

[Howsie]

He could have played as a batsman, but the West Indies selectors didn't pick him to fulfill that role. Therefore it's their fault, not the IPL's.

As for him 'doing things' in the IPL, there's a hell of a difference between playing a T20 game and playing a 5 Day Test match. Bravo has needed a day of rest after each IPL game to allow him to properly recover from playing. It's far less demanding swinging a bat in a T20 game and bowling 4 overs than it is bowling 20odd overs and batting for a few hours in a Test match, add on to the fact that he'd have to be in the field for a long, long time.

Oh ok I see now, I have been so wrong. What was I thinking, there is no way that the IPL can be blamed for this.

 

[Kev]

I'm sorry, I missed the part where I mentioned Bopara in my post Precambrian