Ireland vs England (ODI) 03-09-13

[Owzat]

Can't see a thread, can't see past an England win although they're making hard work of it.

Why are Shight, Bopara and Carberry bowling so many overs between them? Haven't we worked out anything beyond T20 puts Shight out of his depth?!?!?

Just as well Morgan and Bopara are setting the innings on course, really can't see why we're picking Carberry at his age - could be another one cap wonder for ODIs, only needs a T20I cap to make it 111 !

Ireland are just short of ODI and Test quality, they'll cause the odd upset like Zimbabwe and probably more than Bangladesh but the batting and bowling is lacking a couple of top players.

While England continue to pinch their better players this may not change in a hurry, the laws on eligibility should be tightened to stop some countries cherry picking - are we England, South Africa/England or South Africa/England/Ireland, not forgetting the welks and the scots plus a few other countries we 'borrow' from

 

[barmyarmy]

Just find it hilarious that England's best players were, wait for it, Irish.
Mind you in Scotland we dream of having players good enough for England to poach.

 

[Owzat]

Just find it hilarious that England's best players were, wait for it, Irish.

It is amusing yet stupid at the same time, how does the ICC expect nations to develop if the Test elite have the resources enough anyway, but poach other players?!?!?!?

Should keep it simple, born in the country then eligible for the country - no overseas players as it were.

As for the result, cracking effort by Bopara and our foreign legion, Rankin, and Morgan. Fair enough Morgan improves our side, not sure Rankin is that great that England couldn't do without him and I think it's wrong that countries are deprived their own players.

It boils down to the lack of Test cricket for the non-Test nations which is another reason why it must end in tiers. If Ireland were in a second tier with every chance of playing in the top tier then I think Morgan et al would have stayed patriotic at least long enough to be ineligible for England.


But the ICC is stuck in the C20 and arguably earlier, as it is about the money they treat football like the elite football clubs would like to treat football by breaking away to form some kind of super league.

Then again schools do it in order to climb up the stupid league tables, get rid of weaker students to improve your standing. I think when I was at my school they wanted you to get 5 grade Cs at GCSE to get into sixth form, I believe the requirements are now a lot more stringent. Never mind we're supposed to educate the children, the league tables are supposedly a measure of teaching/the school, but all they are is a competition where a lot if not all schools ditch their weakest performers.

 

[ferg512]

I just find it amazing that England has to poach any players at all tbh, they have such a massive pool of players to choose from that are actually English and brought through their system. I have no doubt that Ireland (if they had Morgan) would have a decent enough batting lineup that they could beat Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in test cricket but they are extremely short on quality bowlers. From what I've seen of Rankin I don't even think he would do that well in test cricket, surely there are better english bowlers than him in county cricket? I wonder where Meaker has gone to, but I guess he is really South African

 

[blockerdave]

Just find it hilarious that England's best players were, wait for it, Irish.
Mind you in Scotland we dream of having players good enough for England to poach.

we've had our fingers burnt with gavin hamilton. you'll have to produce another bradman before we go hunting north of the border again!

 

[barmyarmy]

It's actually the other way round. There are now quite a few players who were brought up in England but have a Scottish grandparent playing for us.
Matt Machan was probably our best player yesterday.

 

[Owzat]

I just find it amazing that England has to poach any players at all tbh, they have such a massive pool of players to choose from that are actually English and brought through their system. I have no doubt that Ireland (if they had Morgan) would have a decent enough batting lineup that they could beat Bangladesh and Zimbabwe in test cricket but they are extremely short on quality bowlers. From what I've seen of Rankin I don't even think he would do that well in test cricket, surely there are better english bowlers than him in county cricket? I wonder where Meaker has gone to, but I guess he is really South African

I agree to an extent, not wishing to turn this into another thread like the one bashing England about their foreign legion from a while back.

Trott, Prior and Pietersen (SAF) - saffers by birth, all three would probably get into any Test team

Rankin, Joyce and Morgan (IRE/NIR) - Morgan is a more attacking and naturally aggressive batsman than most on the English circuit so not a surprise, Rankin and Joyce probably less clear cut above their peers in the counties and so I'd agree 2/6 players so far aren't obvious picks ahead of English players.



Considering Cook, Bairstow, Bopara, Swann, Anderson, Panesar, Bell, Root, Finn and Bresnan are all born and bred English players I think a lot is made of the handful of foreign born players in our side. It was sad when the likes of McCague, Mullally, Hamilton etc were picked, but then some of the English picks were as bad.

When a side starts winning is when people fixate on that, England won't care because they're winning but purists would always want it to be one country all born and bred. Some of our key players are not English born, KP, Trott and Prior, but other key players including our bowling attack are with the pick of the batsmen being Bell, Cook, PIETERSEN and TROTT, the keeper PRIOR, but the better bowlers Anderson, Swann, Broad, Bresnan and Finn.

If you set up an XI with just English it wouldn't be a world worse

Cook
Compton
Bopara
Root
Bell
Bairstow
WK
Broad
Bresnan
Swann
Anderson

Pretty strong side n'est pas? I couldn't bea rsed to think about the keeper or worry about picking Compton, they're all more than competent cricketers and given the rest of the World aren't that great at the moment it wouldn't be a definite case of much worse off without 'foreign aid'.

Morgan is much of a one day pick, called on to play Tests from time to time when England don't want to try new blood.