Mini Mafia - Town wins!

[Sedition]

I know that it wasn't worth saying you were going to block him, but I'd kind of hoped you would anyway as a bluff just to keep him in the game. Good point about the SK/Mafia though.

I thought it all made sense at first, but it's getting more confusing actually. Maybe Manly was mafia, afterall he did wait a long time to hammer Sim, and just like Sim had done to him, waited for everyone to confirm he should as if to overly demonstrate they might be town. If that was the case, then maybe one of me, hedger or Adi could be a SK and it was one of us that struck last night?

Lol well if I blocked barmy after saying I was going for either Sim/Manly if one turned up mafia, everyone would be pissed and never trust me again I probably would have targeted him if we had mislynched though.

The second point only occurred to me at the last minute yesterday. Manly hammered the lynch while I was still reading through everything I missed, so I couldn't throw that out there. Sounds plausible to me, but that would make the setup something like this:

2 x mafia (Sim, ?)
1 x SK (?)
1 x Survivor (PD)
1 x Jailkeeper (me)
2 x Vanilla (Manly, Hedger, Aditya, barmy?)

If there's no SK, then Manly is cleared as mafia. I think we must have another PR.. could have been barmy I guess. I'm rather confused

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Yeah I'm not too sure about the Survivor claim either Adi. But then would he really come out and claim like that after seeing how it drew so much attention to Sim? I don't know if he'd be so quick to make that up, but will have to see if it fits his behaviour.

 

[Aditya]

Also, Puddleduck this site will help you with the roles.

 

[Sedition]

I'm starting to think that 2 mafia and a SK in a 7 person game would be overkill surely? And even more so if PD is survivor? User did say it's not as advanced as we might think in the opening post, so I'm somewhat erring on the side of Manly being town.

 

[puddleduck]

I have no idea why I'm a survivor or how it affects balance. Even when I looked it up it seems to be a fairly divisive role. From what I can tell, I'm dangerous because I could lynch off anyone at anytime and it doesn't matter to me what faction they are. It appears as well that a scummy survivor would feasibly put a lynch up first with 2 mafia still in the game to allow instant hammering and win.

As it is though, I've tried to play like a vanilla town and just stick to it as everything I read suggested if I mentioned my role that Barmy might lynch me off. Especially once Sim claimed Vig and Barmy correctly assumed that such a role would be dangerous to town and mafia and as such was the safer lynch. Now though, with only one mafia left, they can't hammer on top of me.

Adi, you're seeming scummy again to me. Why wouldn't User include it? Why would he include a jailer? I've learnt I could look up 10 different mafia games online and every single one seems to have different roles and variants if they're not classic. As you say, I'm basically a vanilla with a twist.

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I also think Manly is town. I'm not so sure about Adi or Hedger though. Also, it's always possible a silent killer exists and they are waiting for the last possible moment.

I think Barmy was vanilla, so I think someone else is lying about their vanilla claim for sure. I'm even thinking Manly's hunch that he was the only vanilla is starting to make sense as well.

 

[Aditya]

See Puddleduck, if you're gonna find every other post from me scummy then it doesn't work this way. How is it scummy to point out that it's hard to believe that User will actually include 2 vanilla's (trusting either Manly' or Hedger' claim) along with a survivor? How come you've from nowhere started trusting Manly? Look mate, it's easy to be inactive, not contribute to a game and still get away from getting lynched. I can do that, anyone can do that and that's what Manly is doing and yet you believe his claim and not mine because every other post of mine seems scummy to you.

It's beyond me how every other post of mine is scummy. Pointing out worst possibilities is scummy, pointing out about unfair game balance is scummy. I was scummy/dodgy in the last game but I don't think I've been that scummy or dodgy in this one and it's not just about me, even some posts from Hedger has seemed dodgy/scummy to you but really, you need to step forward and explain in detail why you find those posts scummy/dodgy. Also, can you explain in detail how you're from nowhere starting to trust Manly?

As I've pointed out even before, I might be very aggressive in mafia games at times and that sometimes might make me look dodgy/scummy but that's how I play. Everyone's got different style to play and this is my style.

 

[Manly]

Why on earth would you jailkeep me? Bizarre move.

Pretty gutting to lose Colin, even if he was suspicious of me throughout the game..

I'm going through now and find out who bandwagoned/defended Sim, there'll be a clue or two there.

Also knowing there's a survivor is good, I think PD's done the right thing by coming out with it.

 

[puddleduck]

Some of yours aren't, I've said that in this game you've definitely had a lot more that aren't, but some that are. Hedger said he also just finds some of your posts dodgy sounding. I think considering it was the same in the last game, you probably just post in a way that I automatically sort of read as being a bit overly defensive. As you say you play a certain way, and with only two games with you I only know you as mafia, so am probably overly wary of you. Once I've had a confirmed town game with you, I'll find it easier to see your posts in a town light? Does that make sense?

 

[Sedition]

The problem I see with a survivor is if it came down to 2 town, 1 mafia and the survivor, he wouldn't particularly care if he mislynched because he'd win either way right?

If the claim is true, then it seems pretty unfair to also have a SK since I think the game could've been over if everyone didn't target the same person on N1.

PD has been making doc/vanilla claims and generally been shifty though, so I'm not too sure about this claim.

Even though barmy's experience can weed the mafia out, I still find it strange that I wasn't targeted. As if the mafia felt safe that I wasn't too suspicious of them and hadn't considered jailkeeping them.

Anyway it's late here and I'd like to hear from Manly and Hedger before rambling on further.

 

[Manly]

I asked you a question..

 

[Sedition]

I didn't answer because I thought it was rhetorical since it was covered all through D2. You and Sim had the most suspicion, if one of you were lynched and came up mafia, I jailkeep the other and probably clear them if there was a nightkill.

 

[puddleduck]

Also, Puddleduck this site will help you with the roles.

So. Many. Roles.... Some of them are pretty funny as well

"The hated townie - Takes one less vote to be lynch" Ha like it.

 

[Manly]

Just went through about 20 pages and something's jumped out at me. (Bear in mind I may be wide of the mark.)

Well we're still missing two posters now. Manly and Sim. Could be the two mafia, but I don't recall Sim giving particularly mafia like vibes in the first set of postings. Been quite a bit of posting though, so both should have some input, and more importantly, one of them should be a role with at least some kind of information. Whether they share it or not I don't know, but surely one of them (someone) should have some sort of read

Interesting...

Well I think you're the cop Hedger, so up to you haha

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Also if the cop claims, I'll claim Doctor. It might not even be true, but at least the doc can save the cop while the mafia get confused trying to work out if I'm bluffing or double bluffing

This seems a bit over-compensatory.

I'm fairly certain Manly is the cop, I'm just saying that. And lol, sim admits he buddied with puddleduck in putting some suspicion on me yesterday and then buddies with again and suspects Sedition. So atm, I'm leaning towards Sedition/sim as mafia although only really barmy has given me strong town vibes this game.

And also Aditya to some degree because while his play is always borderline scummy, I can normally tell the difference between when he's town and maf, so yeah, atm, I'm leaning town on him.

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The real definition of godfather is appearing town upon investigation but on PC, it's been used a lot to just define the leader of the mafia group, with the power to kill.

This. I have felt at times that this may be the case.

That's where I stand to disagree. PD's suspicion didn't even seem that much, sim's barely made sense and it was just you, who is probably maf. So there's a good possibility mafia would kill me.

And I also soft-claimed a power role yesterday, to bring the kill so even if you are jailkeeper, you probably protected me from the kill.

Also, if I was mafia, the smartest move of mine would be to have claimed guilty on you as cop. As I am 90% certain I could have gotten you lynched after that, and continual suspicion.

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So you're either jailkeeper and protected me from the kill or you're the mafia roleblocker.

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And mafia know the cop if Sedition is maf, since he roleblocked the cop most likely, so that's probably why he doesn't want cop to out, so he can kill him at night.

Another possibility that needs to be explored further, for me.

Wow. This game moves fast.
Interesting claim from Sedition. Going over it, it seems..plausible.

So, if we assume both Hedger and Sedition are townies and Hedger is a cop, even though he has seemed to deny it. Then the mafia and Sedition must have targetted him. I feel, however, there would have been somebody else also targetting him, because, N1 report said something about somebody was popular, which leads me to believe a 3rd party/person also must have chosen Hedger.
3 roles choosing a single person would be noteworthy and would also make sense, since by Hedger's own admission he soft-claimed cop to try and draw the attacks towards him.

Which brings me to the point that Hedger himself has denied being a cop. If he is not the cop, then either one of them (Sedition/Hedger) is mafia, right?

A lot would depend if Hedger claims, but somehow I've found Sedition a bit jumpy tbh.

He did get a bit annoyed when repeatedly attacked on the start of D2 by Hedger and barmyarmy.

Manly's post could be interpreted two ways. He could be a vanilla townie, but somehow a reluctance to participate in the discussion and go along with the flow, as he has said he would do, is the sort of thing the mafia like to do.

But then, mafia won't openly say that, would they?
Oh, WIFOM?

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Are you referring to the possibility that the cop also investigated him?

Hello suspicion on Sedition.

I didn't answer because I thought it was rhetorical since it was covered all through D2. You and Sim had the most suspicion, if one of you were lynched and came up mafia, I jailkeep the other and probably clear them if there was a nightkill.

Ah fair enough, however I still can't shake the possibility you're mafia.

 

[Sedition]

That's fair enough, you shouldn't rule out any possibilities. Most people were suspicious of me before the claim though, and at that point I didn't really mind because I thought it would guarantee I survived.

Anyway I came up with a scenario that seems to fit if PD is telling the truth about being survivor. If he's lying then he must be the scum.

2 x mafia (Sim, Aditya?)
1 x survivor (Puddleduck)
1 x jailkeeper (Sedition)
3 x vanilla (Barmyarmy, Hedger, Manly)

Any of the vanillas could be a PR, but working on the assumption that Manly can't be mafia because I jailkept him. Hedger's reaction to my accusation kinda tells me he's town, but I could be wrong. And barmy being dead and confirmed town, that only leaves Aditya?

As I said, if PD is lying then that changes things.

 

[puddleduck]

Yeah I don't really know why mafia didn't target you. I like to think I went excessively overboard on my doc claims to have made it highly unlikely I was one. At least I hope I did

I would say jail me tonight, but the risk is you die... and this is why being survivor is tricky now, cos that doesn't bother me too much and as a result people might think quite legitimately that I'm a worthwhile lynch regardless. So as a result, may as well have come clean now about my role, and like I said I'm still actively seeking the mafia as I have been all game and want to win as town. Which really, with one of them left, from my point of view it being from only 3 people, seems fairly possible. I have strong suspicions about Hedger as I said. If the lynch is succesful, your block could go on any of me, manly or adi. Since I say I'm Survivor, that would in theory be a waste, and potentially deadly because the mafia then kill you and it's basically game over...

So rather depressingly I think for a definite town winning situation, lynching me is a good stategy. However if we get the right mafia with the lynch today, it's irrelevant, and if we mislynch, your block tonight goes on either Adi/Hedger. As Manly is probably innocent after being blocked last night and I'm thinking a SK might not be in it. Ok I've been typing too long

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Deleted my own post twice again... and have now managed to turn off the touchpad! Huzzah!

 

[Manly]

Thing is, although I've said it's good PD has come out as a survivor, I'm not convinced it's not a cover-up as the final mafia member, now wanting to survive each day under the premise he is no threat to the town, picking us off one-by-one. Thoughts?

Also I want to hear from Adi, he's still on my radar as a mafia.



Bet you're all glad I'm still alive, I am never particularly active on D1, I pick up as we get closer to the conclusion.