Pakistan to refuse to play WC games in India

[Insomniac]

Option of playing at a neutral venue has been ruled out by Pakistan:rtfl
Pakistan rules out neutral venue option | Cricket News | ICC World Cup 2011 | Cricinfo.com



What are these guys fighting for then? They are getting their hosting fee from the ICC for the 14 games that was alloted to them (ICC said it will give that to them). This is frankly waste of time by the PCB. Dont know what they mean by "four demands already met, two are being disputed".

I'm puzzled by this as well. Ijaz Butt is a moron. The only thing I can think of is the PCB wants all of the revenue for their 14 games, which would be estimated to be well over $20 million I believe.

Could these incidents have happened to a cricketer (or a VIP person) in some other country? No!

No matter from where you shout zMario, its all part of the security. The intelligence guys whom you call are also part of the big word 'security'. They failed, your government failed to provide that top notch security which should be provided to cricketers/VIP's. If in another country a guy decides to blow up an area which is highly protected by security, he will fail (worst, he will not even think of doing such a thing). But here, he can think of doing it because he knows that he has lot of chances to succeed in his mission.

I'm not sure whether you understand what I'm clearly trying to tell you.

Could 26/11 have happened in any other country other than India? No.

By your definition of security, the Indian security took a massive defeat that day, did they not? The security forces (and I'm not talking about the commandos) were incapable of stopping 12 men from holding a city hostage.

Hypocrisy at its best.

Your security was ████ to be fairly honest during 26/11. You have a man wielding a gun who you can kill right in front of you, and the police refuse to shoot? Not having a working gun is no excuse, and it is slightly unbelievable for over 10 guns to be not working.

Compare this to the men who put their lives on the line (and in the end sacrificed them) for the Sri Lankan Cricket team. That is indeed, security.

I still stand by what I said; the intelligence for India failed on 26/11 and the intelligence for Pakistan failed on 3/3.

The difference was, Pakistan's security was better.

I hope you're not saying the commandos which saved Mumbai are part of security as well...

Your definition is completely wrong anyway. Intelligence is the key to this, nothing else.

 

[SaiSrini]

I'm not sure whether you understand what I'm clearly trying to tell you.

Could 26/11 have happened in any other country other than India? No.

By your definition of security, the Indian security took a massive defeat that day, did they not? The security forces (and I'm not talking about the commandos) were incapable of stopping 12 men from holding a city hostage.

Hypocrisy at its best.

Your security was ████ to be fairly honest during 26/11. You have a man wielding a gun who you can kill right in front of you, and the police refuse to shoot? Not having a working gun is no excuse, and it is slightly unbelievable for over 10 guns to be not working.

Compare this to the men who put their lives on the line (and in the end sacrificed them) for the Sri Lankan Cricket team. That is indeed, security.

I still stand by what I said; the intelligence for India failed on 26/11 and the intelligence for Pakistan failed on 3/3.

The difference was, Pakistan's security was better.

I hope you're not saying the commandos which saved Mumbai are part of security as well...

Your definition is completely wrong anyway. Intelligence is the key to this, nothing else.

No, I didnt say the commandos are part of the security because they were deployed when the initial security in place failed. I agree that the security for us failed that day too, but those foreigners were civilians. We were talking about security for cricketers (we are discussing about security in general of the two nations, but thats not what I want to do here). Has it ever happened that cricketer(s) have been shot at (or their vehicles have been shot at) in India? NO! That alone is enough to make people not visit Pakistan atleast for the next 3-4 years. No country has an apprehension visiting India (and again, not because of the money but because they feel far less riskier coming to India).

 

[aditya123]

I hope you're not saying the commandos which saved Mumbai are part of security as well...

Yes they are because when it comes to big events like the World Cup, these commandos will be a part of the security. Ask the English cricket team about this. They did have commandos for their security even during the Chennai test.

Now, do you know why the IPL had to be shifted out of India this year? Precisely because during the elections the government thought it would be too stressful for the commandos to perform duties during polling and for the matches. You will surely see the Black Cats as security cover for the teams during the World Cup in India.

 

[Insomniac]

No, I didnt say the commandos are part of the security because they were deployed when the initial security in place failed. I agree that the security for us failed that day too, but those foreigners were civilians. We were talking about security for cricketers (we are discussing about security in general of the two nations, but thats not what I want to do here). Has it ever happened that cricketer(s) have been shot at (or their vehicles have been shot at) in India? NO! That alone is enough to make people not visit Pakistan atleast for the next 3-4 years. No country has an apprehension visiting India (and again, not because of the money but because they feel far less riskier coming to India).

How are foreigners staying in a hotel civilians of India?

Can you please qualify that statement. Most were visiting India or on business trips.

Secondly, what if the England team were staying in Mumbai at the time? Had the schedule for the series been a little different, the England team would have possibly been in the hotel at the time, so this discussion IS relevant to security for cricket teams.

Foreigners were shot at Mumbai, no? This is all comlpetely relevant.

India is dangerous for the Pakistan team in the sense that they are the team most likely to be targetted.

Aditya - I was in referring to general security, not cricket team security. Commandos are in place for those events.

 

[SciD]

I again say it. Pakistan will not have problem with terrorist here.

The only thing they should be afraid of is Shiv Sena and their weapon of mass destruction is a brick.

If your team is afraid of brick then, :doh

 

[Cricketman]

Lmao, could a bunch of goons go in and shoot up a place with Ak47's in any other country? Of course they can.

 

[Insomniac]

I again say it. Pakistan will not have problem with terrorist here.

The only thing they should be afraid of is Shiv Sena and their weapon of mass destruction is a brick.

If your team is afraid of brick then, :doh

The Pakistani team bus was attacked in 2005 in India.

Glass of bus was broken, just some minor injuries resulting from that. It's happened.

Pakistan's time will come. The evidence mounts against India, it is only a matter of time.

zMario added 0 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

Lmao, could a bunch of goons go in and shoot up a place with Ak47's in any other country? Of course they can.

I know, it happened on 26/11.

 

[SciD]

As I told you. Only bricks and stones.

 

[Insomniac]

As I told you. Only bricks and stones.

Can I throw a brick at your face?

I'm sure it causes injury.

 

[SciD]

With Z grade security I wish you could.

 

[Insomniac]

With Z grade security I wish you could.

Which is why it easily happened in 2005 right?

 

[King Cricket]

The difference was, Pakistan's security was better.

I wouldn't concur with this. Policemen were playing dead to save themselves, not a single terrorist could be caught alive even after all those firings (they weren't even injured!) and eventually, they escaped like some normal civilians, taking bikes, cycles from here and there, and then, in a calm and cool manner, riding them, and slowly getting away- with no hurry whatsoever! What were the police doing then? The police said they had cordoned off the area immediately after the attack. But CCTV couldn't spot a single policman anywhere. Couldn't this be prevented? Another thing, they were carrying rocket-launchers, grenades, rifles etc etc. Isn't it strange that before the ambush happened, not a single policeman felt a bit odd, seeing some men, aged under 30, carrying these freaking weapons all down the highway? Didn't it arouse anyone's inquisitiveness? Those terrorists tried to blow away the team bus twice; firstly, with some freaking rocket sort-of-a-thing, and secondly, with a greande. Thank God both of them missed the targets! Had they hit...I can't imagine! Couldn't this be prevented, taking into account that there were actually armed commandoes near the team buses? Plus, many guys, like Chris Broad etc have complained about inadequate security given to them. Same with Simon Taufel. So, yeah, the Pakistani security failed miserably as well. Although I agree, same happened with India during 26/11. It took the police 30 mins to figure out that it was actually a terror attack going on, not any gang shootout. As a result of that, the CP along with another top official of the Mumbai police was sacked some four months after 26/11. Where I disagree is the area where you say 3/3's security was better. It just wasn't. When the attack was taking place, one police was actually hiding behind the bushes and only came out when the terrorist left. Also the police officer who was meant to protect the bus was playing dead. When the bus with the match official left he stood up. There were 20 armed commandoes near the bus where the umpires were. But what's surprising, when the attack happened the bus was left on it's own. No police could be seen near that bus. And all three of them would have been savagely murdered, had it not for the utmost bravery of a local umpire. These are the first hand accounts of Simon Taufel. Again, when the terrorists were escaping, a police vehicle was coming from the other side. But what's surprising, it just didn't do anything to them!! If you want I can give you the links. Although, I agree on the point that the same happened with India during 26/11. The corruptions/drawbacks of our normal police forces (not the commandoes/NSG etc), were brutally exposed. But the good thing is, our govt gave the right kind of punishment to each of these corrupted morons, and now, they are nowhere in the picture. What I'm saying is that, Pakistan's security was nothing better either. Both equally failed.

 

[smssia0112]

Well, no. It is none of the ICC's business what a country's diplomatic policy against another country is. As it stands, visas between India and Pakistan has always been a touchy issue, and it has just been magnified now because of the terrorist attacks.

When a country is threatening to deny the right of sportsman or team entry to a country because of politics, the sporting body needs to step in and make it right.

 

[Insomniac]

I wouldn't concur with this. Policemen were playing dead to save themselves, not a single terrorist could be caught alive even after all those firings (they weren't even injured!) and eventually, they escaped like some normal civilians, taking bikes, cycles from here and there, and then, in a calm and cool manner, riding them, and slowly getting away- with no hurry whatsoever! What were the police doing then? The police said they had cordoned off the area immediately after the attack. But CCTV couldn't spot a single policman anywhere. Couldn't this be prevented? Another thing, they were carrying rocket-launchers, grenades, rifles etc etc. Isn't it strange that before the ambush happened, not a single policeman felt a bit odd, seeing some men, aged under 30, carrying these freaking weapons all down the highway? Didn't it arouse anyone's inquisitiveness? Those terrorists tried to blow away the team bus twice; firstly, with some freaking rocket sort-of-a-thing, and secondly, with a greande. Thank God both of them missed the targets! Had they hit...I can't imagine! Couldn't this be prevented, taking into account that there were actually armed commandoes near the team buses? Plus, many guys, like Chris Broad etc have complained about inadequate security given to them. Same with Simon Taufel. So, yeah, the Pakistani security failed miserably as well. Although I agree, same happened with India during 26/11. It took the police 30 mins to figure out that it was actually a terror attack going on, not any gang shootout. As a result of that, the CP along with another top official of the Mumbai police was sacked some four months after 26/11. Where I disagree is the area where you say 3/3's security was better. It just wasn't. When the attack was taking place, one police was actually hiding behind the bushes and only came out when the terrorist left. Also the police officer who was meant to protect the bus was playing dead. When the bus with the match official left he stood up. There were 20 armed commandoes near the bus where the umpires were. But what's surprising, when the attack happened the bus was left on it's own. No police could be seen near that bus. And all three of them would have been savagely murdered, had it not for the utmost bravery of a local umpire. These are the first hand accounts of Simon Taufel. Again, when the terrorists were escaping, a police vehicle was coming from the other side. But what's surprising, it just didn't do anything to them!! If you want I can give you the links. Although, I agree on the point that the same happened with India during 26/11. The corruptions/drawbacks of our normal police forces (not the commandoes/NSG etc), were brutally exposed. But the good thing is, our govt gave the right kind of punishment to each of these corrupted morons, and now, they are nowhere in the picture. What I'm saying is that, Pakistan's security was nothing better either. Both equally failed.

KC, just a recommendation from me - please use paragraphs next time so it is easier to read, thanks.

The only policeman playing dead was a traffic cop. He was just directing traffic, he had nothing to do with this.

We HAVE caught the terrorists who ran away (well most of them anyway).

We have given India a dossier regarding the information that Pakistan has discovered about India's role in the Lahore attacks as well as their role in Baluchistan (I can provide you links on this).

What was the CCTV going to do? There was only one camera.

In the end, you accuse the security men of trying to save their own lives instead of the Sri Lankan Cricket team's.

Why don't you go tell those security men's families the same thing you told me.

Pakistan security succeeded in defending those who they were assigned to. Whether it is by sheer luck, who knows.

But India should be thanking their lucky stars that the England Cricket Team weren't staying at the Taj at the time. If they were, then the repcrussions would be worse for India than they are currently for Pakistan.

 

[Annoyingdevil]

Oh for god Sake here we go again with the Lahore Sri Lanka Team attacks.
Sri Lanka team is Safe and they are all fine and playing cricket..WHAT MORE DO YOU WANT!!!: