Pakistan to refuse to play WC games in India

[F4rrukh]

Yes, we can guarantee that it wont happen to the cricketers. Cricketers and VIP's are given far greater security than to these normal people who come from other countries. Plus the security team and the government will know that with the prevailing political tensions between the countries, these cricketers need to be protected and they will bring out the best security. We can promise to give the best security, and our history suggests that we have always given it when required (Pakistan's history recently took a big collapse when the SL cricketers went through what they did).

Other countries will come to India, except for maybe Pakistan. But no country will go to Pakistan at the current situation (and dont tell me people side with india because of the money. When it comes to money and life, its always life no matter even if you have an infinite amount of money in your pocket).

The situation in Pakistan has improved since that incident. Our Army is fighting very hard to kill all these terrorists and till now they have been very successful. History is history, today is what you have to look at, relying entirely on history is the last thing I would do.

 

[Master Khan]

poor Sri Lankans, If I was them I would sue the ICC for allowing PAK to host a tour.

You are a prick.
Just go away because all you are posting is hate against Pakistan and its country and come back when you can post something good and not just crap.:

sta da moor yo Khor kuss ogheema

 

[Insomniac]

Sai, do you also need to put on your glasses?

Please quote me in this thread where I am asking teams to come to Pakistan.

I am supporting Pakistan and the PCB on the issue of getting games to the UAE, which we should get. However, I am not supporting the PCB hosting the 2011 WC in Pakistan. I have explained this about 100 times now, and still people cannot comprehend this.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

You are a prick.
Just go away because all you are posting is hate against Pakistan and its country and come back when you can post something good and not just crap.:

sta da moor yo Khor kuss ogheema

Calm down, yes everything in your post is true, but this is exactly what he wanted.

He's just a troll.

 

[blazerix]

The situation in Pakistan has improved since that incident. Our Army is fighting very hard to kill all these terrorists and till now they have been very successful. History is history, today is what you have to look at, relying entirely on history is the last thing I would do.

Well said

 

[SaiSrini]

Sai, do you also need to put on your glasses?

Please quote me in this thread where I am asking teams to come to Pakistan.

I am supporting Pakistan and the PCB on the issue of getting games to the UAE, which we should get. However, I am not supporting the PCB hosting the 2011 WC in Pakistan. I have explained this about 100 times now, and still people cannot comprehend this.

zMario - I was replying to the part where you were talking about the security provided to the SL cricketers? When you dont have a reply for that, you get back to the legal case that the PCB is fighting and you go on about how we all need to put on our glasses.

I dont know about the legalities of the case and where the ICC and Pakistan stand, but boycotting the World Cup and not playing their games in India is completely stupid.

 

[Insomniac]

Yes, we can guarantee that it wont happen to the cricketers. Cricketers and VIP's are given far greater security than to these normal people who come from other countries. Plus the security team and the government will know that with the prevailing political tensions between the countries, these cricketers need to be protected and they will bring out the best security. We can promise to give the best security, and our history suggests that we have always given it when required (Pakistan's history recently took a big collapse when the SL cricketers went through what they did).

Other countries will come to India, except for maybe Pakistan. But no country will go to Pakistan at the current situation (and dont tell me people side with india because of the money. When it comes to money and life, its always life no matter even if you have an infinite amount of money in your pocket).

This was what I was referring to in your post, I was going to get to the other part of your post later (which is now).

Sai, exactly what can security guarantee? The only thing that can prevent these type of events from happening is not security, but intelligence. It is intelligence of that nation which can prevent these events. If a person or a group is hell bent on driving a truck with explosives to a place, it is very likely he will be able to do it. Yes, there may be the rare occasion that the security will detect a threat, but on most occasions, security is there just for show.

Yes, they check bags, etc, but that's just going through the motions - it has to be done.

The only thing that could have prevented 26/11 was intelligence, not security. Security is more damage control than anything.

The only thing that could have prevented the Lahore attacks was intelligence. Security again, was damage control more than anything.

If such an event like 26/11 was able to be planned without the intelligence agencies of India knowing, I shrudder to think what else can be planned without the knowledge of the IB or RAW (the IB should be the ones who would have had knowledge of this).

Your history is bakwaas. Your police officers / security forces on the sight of Ajmal Kasab refused to shoot him (this was before he was held up in the hotel - before even the media found out).

Now obviously, they have seen this man holding a gun, and shooting at civilians. Why the bloody hell would you not shoot him?

Good luck to India convincing Pakistan to come, but I don't see it happening unless Pakistan do end up hosting their games in the UAE (which they should end up doing).

 

[jordox]

zMario, security does a lot. It's not just there for show.

When the Sri Lankan players were attacked, there wasn't "security". There was 1 or 2 people who actually did anything during that incident, whilst the others played dead or hid in the bushes.

You are right though, the security in that incident was damage control. Actually, it was even that really. When you think about it, it's a fluke that every Sri Lanka player wasn't murdered - because nothing was protecting them. The only protection they got was a bus driver.

 

[Insomniac]

zMario, security does a lot. It's not just there for show.

When the Sri Lankan players were attacked, there wasn't "security". There was 1 or 2 people who actually did anything during that incident, whilst the others played dead or hid in the bushes.

I don't get what you expect security to do if a suicide bomber fills up his truck with explosives, and rams it into a hotel (Marriott Hotel, Islamabad).

What do you expect them to do? The security at the Marriott attempted to put the fire out, but it was too dangerous - that's when they started to evacuate the guests out the back before it went ka'boom.

In such a scenario, what can you expect security to do? The fault there lies in intelligence, not security.

The Lahore CCTV video is a little misleading, because there was gunfire back to the terrorists.

In the end, the security was not adequate. How many times do I have to admit that? However, it did work out in the end in that the security gave their lives for the team, and in the end, mission accomplished - their job was to protect the team at all costs, and they did that.

The fault was not the security's, but the intelligence.

 

[jordox]

I don't get what you expect security to do if a suicide bomber fills up his truck with explosives, and rams it into a hotel (Marriott Hotel, Islamabad).

What do you expect them to do? The security at the Marriott attempted to put the fire out, but it was too dangerous - that's when they started to evacuate the guests out the back before it went ka'boom.

In such a scenario, what can you expect security to do? The fault there lies in intelligence, not security.

Yeah well the sad fact is you can't stop that. I don't see how intelligence could stop it either. They can't monitor every home in Pakistan. What is going to stop a group of 5 scumbags from coming up with this in their back shed and doing it - if they were really hell bent on it?

Nothing really.

 

[Insomniac]

Yeah well the sad fact is you can't stop that. I don't see how intelligence could stop it either. They can't monitor every home in Pakistan. What is going to stop a group of 5 scumbags from coming up with this in their back shed and doing it - if they were really hell bent on it?

Nothing really.

5 scumbags can't acquire that many explosives to damage a hotel like that - that's where the intelligence comes in, and monitors the areas where explosives can be made / purchased. Also, it costs plenty of money to buy these explosives, so there are limitations.

Of course Pakistan cannot monitor every home, but the homes where there is a suspicion, those of course can be monitored.

Intelligence has stopped events like these happening in the past, they are doing it now, and they will be doing it for the next 5 years atleast.

That's just how it is in Pakistan - every day is a new fight.

 

[King Cricket]

Your history is bakwaas. Your police officers / security forces on the sight of Ajmal Kasab refused to shoot him (this was before he was held up in the hotel - before even the media found out).

Might you give some links? And besides, what is the hotel you are talking about? Kasab was arrested from the "Chowpatty" area.

Recently Australia refused to send its Tennis Team to India for Davis Cup which was due to be held in Chennai, India

That was quite some months back. But recently, they have agreed to send their team here. Also, the International Tennis Federation has declared Chennai to be a very "safe" venue.

Coming to the main issue, yes, there are some extremist Hindu groups in India. But amongst them, only three have that much power- the Shiv Sena, the MNS, and some scattered organizations of the Bisva Hindu Parisad. Again of them, the Shiv Sena and the MNS are political parties. Tell me, why do you think that they would attack the Pakistani team? Like every other political party they want to win elections and come to power. Their main driving power is the support of people. And this support has significantly diminished in the past couple of years for some extremely idiotic and moronic deeds done by them like attacking the North Indians. Why should they diminish it even more by attacking any cricket team? If an attack really happens, then the whole world would immediately label India "unsafe" and the countries would stop touring India. It would be just like the aftermath of the Lahore attacks. We would face total isolation. In a cricket mad country like India, if this happens, can you imagine what type of uproar it would cause amongst the people? What type of wretched days it would bring to the Shiv Sena and the MNS? Why should these two parties dig their own grave with their own hands? Why would they ruin their chances of coming to power totally? Why would they bring about their own destruction?

Coming to the Hindu Parisad, it is strongly backed by the BJP. Everybody knows it. And if they do any stupid thing like that the BJP would also have to share a part of the blame. The BJP is already shattered to pieces by internal feuds, heavy defeats in different elections, Babri Masjid case etc etc. They are fast losing the people's support. And they would never ever advocate any such incident like this at this point of time. It would prove to be disastrous for them. And would basically kill the party. They are not idiots- they would never do it.

Plus, all the cricket teams, including the Pakistani team, would be given unthinkable amount of security in the 2011 WC, as we all know that even the smallest glitch in the security, in that type of a mega hi-fi tournament, can prove to be fatal for us. It would be well-nigh impossible for the supporters of any petty extremist group to penetrate that type of a security and attack the players. It just can't happen. India is quite safe for the Pakistani players, believe me!

 

[Insomniac]

Might you give some links? And besides, what is the hotel you are talking about? Kasab was arrested from the "Chowpatty" area.



That was quite some months back. But recently, they have agreed to send their team here. Also, the International Tennis Federation has declared Chennai to be a very "safe" venue.

Coming to the main issue, yes, there are some extremist Hindu groups in India. But amongst them, only three have that much power- the Shiv Sena, the MNS, and some scattered organizations of the Bisva Hindu Parisad. Again of them, the Shiv Sena and the MNS are political parties. Tell me, why do you think that they would attack the Pakistani team? Like every other political party they want to win elections and come to power. Their main driving power is the support of people. And this support has significantly diminished in the past couple of years for some extremely idiotic and moronic deeds done by them like attacking the North Indians. Why should they diminish it even more by attacking any cricket team? If an attack really happens, then the whole world would immediately label India "unsafe" and the countries would stop touring India. It would be just like the aftermath of the Lahore attacks. We would face total isolation. In a cricket mad country like India, if this happens, can you imagine what type of uproar it would cause amongst the people? What type of wretched days it would bring to the Shiv Sena and the MNS? Why should these two parties dig their own grave with their own hands? Why would they ruin their chances of coming to power totally? Why would they bring about their own destruction?

Coming to the Hindu Parisad, it is strongly backed by the BJP. Everybody knows it. And if they do any stupid thing like that the BJP would also have to share a part of the blame. The BJP is already shattered to pieces by internal feuds, heavy defeats in different elections, Babri Masjid case etc etc. They are fast losing the people's support. And they would never ever advocate any such incident like this at this point of time. It would prove to be disastrous for them. And would basically kill the party. They are not idiots- they would never do it.

Plus, all the cricket teams, including the Pakistani team, would be given unthinkable amount of security in the 2011 WC, as we all know that even the smallest glitch in the security, in that type of a mega hi-fi tournament, can prove to be fatal for us. It would be well-nigh impossible for the supporters of any petty extremist group to penetrate that type of a security and attack the players. It just can't happen. India is quite safe for the Pakistani players, believe me!

Certainly KC, I can provide you with a link

Mumbai photographer: I wish I'd had a gun, not a camera. Armed police would not fire back - World news, News - Belfasttelegraph.co.uk

This is the account of the photographer that shot this famous photo which was used by almost every news organization and TV station

Excellent post KC, but here's the thing. All these groups you mentioned are struggling, and as I understand it, there is still a strong anti-Pakistan feeling in India (just as there is in Pakistan). Zorax agrees with me, and he's Indian - I'm not making things up, it is true.

KC, read my earlier posts. Security can do very little - the key is intelligence. Intelligence is what prevents these terrorists attacks from happening.

Let me point to 9/11 - security at airports was high, but never high enough. Almost nobody expected 9/11 to happen, correct? Yes, some say that the US Government had a role in 9/11, there will always be conspiracy theories about 9/11. Some will say that the US knew, but decided not to do anything about it. There's not much proof in this, so I can't say anything about that.

However, other than training, the attackers had no weapons that could have been detected at the airport by security. What can security do there? How would security EVER know what happened?

Any terrorist attack can be stopped by intelligence. Security can't do very much, if people are hell bent on doing something. It is here, where US Intelligence (oxy moron ) failed on September 11.

The Indian intelligence miseribly failed on November 26, 2008. The Pakistani Intelligence miseribly failed on March 3, 2009 (but luckily we had some fine men who gave their lives for the Sri Lankan team).

Also KC, you must understand. Pakistan's refusal to play in India officially is security reasons - and there is a considerable amount of proof to back that.

However, the real reason this is happening is because of the BCCI's refusal to allow Pakistan to host their 14 games in the UAE. If the BCCI tomorrow turn around and say fine, Pakistan can host their allotted 14 games in the UAE, then Pakistan will be touring India.

The world is all political.

 

[rockyrakster]

I think PCB is right It will take time for bilateral ties to resume
It is better they play in SL,Ban

 

[Shri]

zMario has made a lot of sense here and he is the only poster who has not been a blind troll in the thread. Loads of good points made by him. Imo, Pak should be allowed to play their matches in UAE.

 

[chainsnatcher]

Pakistan is such a lovely country with great cricket stadiums.I am just a neutral but if you ask me the pakistani stadiums look a lot better than the Indian ones.Infact the only world class stadium in India apart from Eden Gardens is the one at Mohali.Too bad the world cup wouldn't be held in pakistan.I hope all this terrorism BS gets settled soon and countries begin to tour Pakistan on a regular basis.Stadiums like Gaddafi,National stadium,Rawalpindi and Multan are some of my favorites from the sub-continent.My friend from the sub-continent feels the same as well coz he has been to some of the stadiums in India as well as Pakistan and feels the Pakistani ones are far superior in terms of playing conditions.

If it hadn't been for the damn terrorism issue,2011 world cup would be a lot more special.

Instead of Abu Dhabi,they can use Sharjah.Yeah I know about the whole match fixing scandal but you cant deny the fact that it is one of the best in Asia.