Pokemon? Mafia - Endgame | Town (BKB1991/P Squared) wins!

[Chewie]

I've been thinking; in the anime, when Charmander turned into Charizard, he started ignoring Ash, and disobeying orders. I think it is quite likely then, that when you evolved you became an insane cop. In the context of this mafia game, this becomes even more likely, when you consider that Arcanine was probably also a cop, so the two cops are balanced by one turning insane after a while.

Apart from my transformation into the role I absorbed (and so appearing as the same alignment as the framer), this is the only other alternative that makes any sense.

 

[BKB1991]

Woah. This is big stuff. This is where the lack of pokemon knowledge destroys me. I have no idea on MaD's pokemon so I have to depend on others knowledge about him.

Personally I am inclined to believe MaD a touch more than Chewie. But thats only just a slight.

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Thinking defensively, I think I am more inclined on losing a potential framer, a dodgy roleclaim imo, then a possible potential cop. Even if MaD turns out to be an insane cop it certainly helps our situation..

 

[Varun]

Chewie (1) - MaD

5 required for a majority lynch.

 

[P Squared]

It's really hard to tell who's lying. And on BKB's roleclaim, wasn't Mew a bad guy?

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character claim I mean

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Nah, Mew was good. Mewtwo was bad.

 

[BKB1991]

And through my role I can assure you there is Mewtwo in the game. I dont know about his alignment though.

 

[AfridiRulez]

This is interesting stuff, I was suspicious of Chewie when he role-claimed because the pokemon of Ditto was being mentioned, but he's lynched two mafia members too. (I think).

What I think has happened is that the mafia have targeted Chewie at night (because he's a good player, as he himself mentioned) and Chewie being Ditto, apparently has absorbed a mafia role, instead of dying at night, and Chewie is now a mafia.

MaD, he's probably the cop with Charizard, but I was thinking that Yudi/Arcanine might've been the cop. We have to believe MaD here.

Chewie, you absorb roles right? Does it say in your pm what happens if mafia targets you, do you die, or absorb their role? What if the vigilante targets you? And how come Chewie isn't the cop now, because MaD investigated him...

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I apologize once again, will post more after Real vs Barca match.

 

[Chewie]

As I said, I could only absorb roles on one night. I chose the first night, and I got targeted by the framer. I don't change to the alignment of the person who targets me, but because I use the move 'transform' on them when they target me, I look like them and so I could possibly turn up mafia when investigated.

I cannot absorb killing roles or role blocking roles. I didn't absorb MaD's role because he says that he targeted me last night, and I had used my role up by then.

FOS: Vedarshi MaD possibly being insane cop, therefore his investigation on Vedarshi should be reversed

I feel AfridiRulez is more likely to be mafia though - Spoobir hiding behind him, his very late role claim, and just general suspicions throughout the game.

Lynch: AfridiRulez

 

[Near]

Hmm, Interesting.

Night 1 - Investigated P# - pro-town
Night 2 - User2010 - anti-town
(Evolved into Charizard)
Night 3 - Vedarshi - anti-mafia
Night 4 - Chewie - Unable to use role
Night 5 - Chewie - pro-mafia

Vedarshi...according to him he is vanilla, but then shouldn't he come as pro-mafia too? Vedarshi coming anti-mafia is very strange. But..what i think is that, Vedarshi is actually a cult but he claimed vanilla because he thought that he too would come up anti-town, we never knew about the cullt coming anti-mafia until you claimed, MaD or MaD can be insane cop

FOS- Chewie, Vedarshi & AfridiRulez

Chewie: For being found guilty and I don't really buy his claim
AfridiRulez- Very Late claim, said nobody wanted him to claim, where as people did, Spoobir hiding behind him

And Spoobir was ancient aligned and thus now, I am pretty sure the cult-leader is either Mew or Mewtwo cause Ancient is kinda like legendary, isn't it?

EDIT: Just bolded my FOS

 

[AfridiRulez]

Spoobir hid behind me? Which night was this? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Night 5 because I'm not even mafia. Late role-claim, yes I claimed late, but nobody counter claimed or said anything about my character. Overall general suspicion, on me? C'mon Chewie I know your a good player but those are just extremely weak reasons for lynching me, same with Zorax.

Have you guys been smoking up recently, or are you just dumb? I am the only, yes the only player in this game that has lynched all three mafia members so far. And all 3 lynches of mine haven't been late bandwagon jumps, they've been done early, and I've given fair reasons for all of them.

Zorax is saying I'm cult?! How the hell can I be cult when the cult guy himself (Spoobir) lynched me: http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2104024-post1276.html

And if he was this cult recruiting guy, why in the world would he recruit me on the first day? This is my 2nd mafia game, and in my 1st one I received the role of Worst Player of the Game. And Spoobir won WWE mafia. Spoobir is smart, and he was cult, wouldn't he recruit one of the good players like Chewie or Zorax?

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I just went back and had a look, and found out that Spoobir hid behind me on Night two. After that, he didn't say anything about hiding behind me, so you can't just take a hunch and say "Afridi is mafia, Spoobir hid behind him."

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Lynch: Chewie

MaD is the cop and says Chewie is mafia. Chewie knows he's mafia, he's just unnecessarily trying to throw the suspicion at me, when I haven't done anything anti-town.

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I am Ditto. I turn my body into the shape of those whose role I absorbed. I'm not surprised I turned up pro-mafia to be honest. It's most likely a hidden part of my role.

But Charizard as cop... I find that terribly unrealistic. Arcanine is by far the most likely cop and he's dead. Who did you investigate the previous nights?

Why aren't you being clear about your role? First you said I can take, then you said "I should've been more clearer, I can absorb them when they target me." Now you I used my role on the first night, and I'm now the town framer. Your defense for coming up pro-mafia is: "It's most likely a hidden part of my role."

Why would something your own role be hidden to you? Your not the miller...

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Varun please update the OP, thanks mate.

 

[Chewie]

oh ffs read my posts better next time. I'll try and explain it in one post for everyone:

I am Ditto. In the anime and game, Ditto uses his one move to transform into his opponent. He turns into an exact replica of that pokemon and can use their moves against them.

In this game, I can use my move transform on one night. I transform into the role of whoever targets me that night. I used it on the first night and the framer targeted me that night. I therefore transformed into the framer. I can frame people. But for a townie, this is a rather useless role.

My role PM does not say whether my transformation is so strong that a cop investigating me thinks that I am the alignment of the person I transformed into. It could very well be a hidden part of my role, that since the framer targeted me, and I transformed into the framer, I appear to be mafia-aligned when I'm not. Hidden roles such as these are incredibly common in mafia games. Your point about 'why would something of your own role be hidden from you, you're not the miller' makes no sense whatsoever. Hidden roles are very common, and the miller is always told that they are the miller.

There is also the potential for MaD turning into an insane cop once he evolved. In the anime, Charmander was a nice Pokemon, but when he evolved into Charizard he would often turn against Ash, and refuse to listen to him. This is why I think that there is quite a high probability that MaD has turned into an insane cop, because Charizard would love the opportunity to mislead Ash. These are the only two explanations I can give for why I turned up pro-mafia when MaD investigated me. One of them has got to be true.

I have been suspicious of you for a while. Callum asked for role claims. Yet you kept on posting as normal, as if you didn't want to role claim, because you didn't know what to role claim as. You were searching for a role claim. Normally mafia take a while building a role claim because they have to find something appropriate to role claim as and an appropriate role that fits. You still haven't told us your role, only that you're Snorlax. I cannot think of any normal mafia role that would relate to Snorlax, though there may be one that I'm overlooking. And of course no one would counter claim you, you were the last person to role claim.

As well as this, when Spoobir role claimed as the hider, he mentioned that he had hidden behind you and Vedarshi on the first two nights. Since he had successfully hidden behind you two before, it would make sense that he would keep hiding behind you two. However he died last night. He has a 50% chance of dieing if he hides behind a mafia member. I think that the first time he hid behind you he was lucky, and that later the law of averages caught up with him and he died. That's why I think that one of you and Vedarshi is mafia. It doesn't make any sense for him to continue hiding behind different people each night. I am also quite suspicious of Vedarshi, seeing as if MaD is the insane cop, his results are inverted. This would mean Vedarshi would turn up anti-mafia when he is in fact one of them. Along with this hiding business, and the fact that Vedarshi jumped off the lynchwagon for both Papa Smurf and Aditya because he believed their role claims at the end, means he is definitely mafia material. It's just that I had been gunning for you a bit in the past so I thought I should keep on you.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Have you guys been smoking up recently, or are you just dumb? I am the only, yes the only player in this game that has lynched all three mafia members so far. And all 3 lynches of mine haven't been late bandwagon jumps, they've been done early, and I've given fair reasons for all of them.

Actually I have to look this up but a) Lynching Mafia doesn't mean that you aren't Mafia, or indeed that you aren't cult and b) I'm pretty sure your reasons were kinda rubbish.

I'm inclined to lynch Afridirulez, but I want to see how discussions progress for a while.


Also I'm really interested about BKB being linked the Mewtwo. Very very interested. Who here can be Mewtwo. And I think Mewtwo would be very similar to an Individual aligned player with several roles, kinda like Steve Austin in my WWE Mafia. Suspicion back on someone like Afridirulez I guess?

 

[Chewie]

Zorax, don't edit your posts. Double post it if you have something to add.

 

[AfridiRulez]

Also I'm really interested about BKB being linked the Mewtwo. Very very interested. Who here can be Mewtwo. And I think Mewtwo would be very similar to an Individual aligned player with several roles, kinda like Steve Austin in my WWE Mafia. Suspicion back on someone like Afridirulez I guess?

What else can I do to defend myself?

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I'm pretty sure your reasons were kinda rubbish.

That's absolutely pathetic. That's why I'm mafia? My reasons were rubbish? I was the first one to be suspicious of Aditya, and I've lynched all 3 mafia, and I'm still mafia myself?! You have been smoking some of the green stuff....

If your going to lynch people on their reasons, then lynch Vedarshi.

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Yes, it's Mafia 101 - if you are a mafia member, you lynch your own mafia mates when they are going down to avoid suspicion on yourself.

Mafia can communicate with each other and apparently you sucked last game, so very easy they could have told you what to do. Especially given a guy like Papa_Smurf was Mafia and I think he's a decent player.

On the other hand, n00b Mafia members might not understand what to do and thus unlynch or lynch at the wrong times and provide poor reasoning behind what they do. Hence my suspicion on MaD and Vedarshi.

So basically, yea, who you lynched/unlynched is not at all a good indicator. It's more to do with the reasons you provide and how you defend yourself/attack others. It's those subtle signs that reveal more. And you're giving me bad vibes. You and Vedarshi. And MaD did to an extent, but apparently he's Cop so that kinda explains his shady behaviour; avoiding attention.