Puddle Mafia 03 - Endgame

[Gaurav_7]

Tbh, I found Aditya's 2nd post really scummy. I know he has a habit of writing same things again and again and post long long posts. He has posted about what I have already told earlier. I feel he's trying to fill in. There's something that's not right about him.

 

[barmyarmy]

I take offence at that
My posts are always insightful and over-flowing with quality.
There's not a lot meaningful that can be said on day 1 but seeing as I was the first to analyse the three colours things in the write-up, talk about the problems of having newbies who look scummy and analyse User's claim I disrespectfully disagree with Abhas

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There's something that's not right about him.

And that's before we start analysing his play.

 

[Aditya]

Hang on, I've heard that word "scummy" before.

User, look I don't understand from where you are getting the part "there's something that's not right about him", when you yourself mention I've got the habit of pointing out one thing again and again. Let me keep this simple and say, I fail to understand your tactics. I don't see how claiming survivor early in the game can help you "survive", mafia may not kill you at night but there is a chance of townies lynching you, more so when you're not on their side.

You can obviously not be trusted by any of the two sides because how the hell can a survivor be trusted, by either of the parties? Also, you role claimed just to make day 1 interesting? That doesn't sound right to me.

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I just realized, I lynched Barmy at the starting of the game but didn't unlynch him.

Unlynch : Barmyarmy

 

[puddleduck]

Vote Count:

Sedition (1) - User
User (3) - Sedition, Manly, Barmyarmy
No Lynch (2) - Abhas, Varun

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. There are some hours left in the day.

 

[Varun]

I don't get the point of lynching User on the first day itself just because he has claimed Survivor. I believe the reason he says he has claimed is quite clear and to me reasonable to an extent. Of course cannot completely trust him but why lynch him on the first day itself when it is possible we might have a more solid opinion going into Day 2 with more info. Well, for hindsight look at the last game. In the end, the town had no chance of winning (it was either me or Sedition or both). The composition might be different this time, who knows, but still.

But then, if people have a solid reason than 'he claimed Survivor on Day 1', I'd be happy to lynch him.

 

[barmyarmy]

Well it's impossible for anyone to have night info so "cos he claimed survivor" is as solid as you're going to get.

 

[Manly]

So is Day now done?

 

[Sedition]

Well at least some people are thinking along the same lines as me and I'm not missing something obvious. Sure the survivor could have given the town a slight chance at endgame last game, if he actually cared about a town win that is, but it was mostly down to poor play and some unlucky night actions that created the situation we had.

Wow, I think that's the most random thing I have heard. Why would a SK claim on day 1? And, that too claim a survivor? Especially when there can be one in a game..

That's what makes it a good play from the SK, provided he can get through that first day. Who expects a SK to come out and claim a 3rd party role on Day 1? No one really, except me, the former SK

It's not like the actual Survivor, if both are present, is going to counter-claim you either, so it's fairly safe if you can argue that last game it wasn't a good idea to lynch the survivor on Day 1, which is being exaggerated as a major reason that the town lost anyway.

Whatever though, if we don't lynch User today, then I'll be if we just fall back on it later instead of actually trying to find mafia. Or if he turns out to be the SK and a double kill down the road puts us up the creek.

 

[Abhas]

The reason why I believe User's claim is, he' not been countered yet. I'm sure if there was another survivor, he would have and should have counter claimed. It would make no sense of just sitting about and laying low.. What in case of a mass claim? He's going to be a sure goner of he claims true, and if he fakes his claim, he has the doubt that a cop may have investigated him.
Not counter claiming is not an option I reckon, and this is the prime reason why I, of all the people is siding with user on this.

That said, it might have been a calculated risk if he is individual in some other capacity, like a SK.. A small game is unlikely to have 2 individuals.

 

[BKB1991]

Colin post wasnt aimed at you but it was a general thing I noted.

Two players who have caught my eye is Aditya, who really should be reading more carefully because User has mentioned the reasons why he claimed (and I have given my opinion on it too).

Second one is Varun who has completed a U-turn on whether to lynch User. Both of this doesnt mean they are mafia, but certainly things that have caught my eye

 

[Aditya]

Please don't tell me Pallu is a survivor.

I sort of agree with Sedition here. Although for some odd reason, I'm not convinced just yet to lynch User. Let him come online and see if he has anything else to say, if not, I'd go with the majority.

 

[Gaurav_7]

Please don't tell me Pallu is a survivor.

I sort of agree with Sedition here. Although for some odd reason, I'm not convinced just yet to lynch User. Let him come online and see if he has anything else to say, if not, I'd go with the majority.

Now what has pallu got to do here?

And, what more do I have to say? Whatever I have posted you still haven't read it seems and just defended yourself when I went for you. Really suspicious of you.

Unlynch
Lynch: Aditya

 

[Aditya]

Wow! Let me tell you what Pallu has got to do with this, he doesn't understand this game and I'm sure he doesn't understand the PM, Puddle sent him. Is it a crime to just point out that there is a possibility that he may be survivor? And I'm obviously not very serious about this.

I've read your defense and I'm not convinced. You claimed just to make day 1 interesting, you claimed so that mafia don't kill you at night, you post the nonsense about how vital you can be at the end game and how we shall trust you. I fail to understand how a quality player like you can even say things like that, trusting a survivor who is neutral, NEVER.

User, pardon me but I don't see defending myself in my earlier post. Is this defending

User, look I don't understand from where you are getting the part "there's something that's not right about him", when you yourself mention I've got the habit of pointing out one thing again and again.

You are just going after me for nothing, just because I'm suspicious of you? Give me a break, you are not a noob. You don't have a single substantiating evidence and you don't sound convincing, not to me at least. So, as you've got nothing more to add,

Lynch : User

 

[Gaurav_7]

There you have it guys, I may end up being lynched as a survivor but, I have done enough to let you guys know who scum is.

And, Aditya that is not nonsense. And, I am amazed you now say that you can NEVER trust a survivor who is neutral whereas I remember you posting earlier that you get why a survivor should actually be neutral first up. On via cell so can't quote it but will try to soon. And, I am not going after you because you are sus of me. Why wouldn't I go for someone like Sedition then if this was the reason? And, 'you have got nothing more to add' has to be the funniest reason to lynch me at this stage where only I have added anything substantial.

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User, explain me your tactic at the time of role claiming. Did you or did you not think that considering that you're going to reveal that at this point of the game, you're not on the town side neither on the mafia side, some of the townies may well be aggressive towards you, like they are now. Mafia's too will see you as a threat. Agreed that you are here to survive. That's understood by me and I appreciate you revealing that you are neutral rather than saying that you're on the town side because I don't see how a survivor shall say so, when he has the great opportunity to be neutral and that way also has the more chance of surviving.

My point of view is, you could have waited maybe a little more (say, till the point when the day was about to end) and then revealed your role because let's admit it, claiming survivor and that too a neutral one at that, is a bit risky early in the game. Perhaps if you hadn't role claimed early in the day, someone else might have been in the firing line, which would have benefited you. Why did you feel the rush to role claim so early in the day, that's my question. It's very important to know your tactics before even making the slightest of the judgments on your role claim.

The bolded part people.

 

[Aditya]

http://www.planetcricket.org/forums/2390764-post160.html

That's what I said. I mention, I appreciate you revealing that you are neutral however I don't see how it is the most appropriate thing to do for a survivor. If by anything substantial, you mean, you've role claimed and we've been going after you all day, then yes that is substantial. Once you are lynched, what else are we left with? 1 player dead, 2 players inactive in such a short game. Could this be any worse?