First of all, I'll come to your way. Dinesh Karthik played 37 innings in test matches, 44 innings in ODI's. What do you say for that eh? And also Karthik was a player who suddenly bursted onto the international stage, not someone who slowly but steadly established himself on the domestic level before getting the chance to perform at the higher stage. Karthik made his debut at the age of 19. Vijay made it at 24. And why not compare their stats man? Karthik has lower averages than Vijay. Are these stats enough for you?
Karthik did suddenly burst into the international scene, but it was because of his superb wicket keeping. His keeping skills got him in the test team, and secondly, the main issue here is that he got dropped after just one bad series, which was the Sri Lanka triangular series, before the series his previous innings were
66, 40, 27, 33, 18, 22 ,11 , 79, 44, 34, 48, 19 not out, 32not out, 34, 16, 4 , 47, 4, 67.
He played well in 11 innings out of his 20 innings in these matches,
well, if u would say that he should be dropped just on the basis of one series than it would not be fair on him. He never did that badly. He provided good starts when he got chances.
And you cannot compare a Murali Vijay with Karthik as he has lot more international exposure than Vijay. And Dinesh Karthik improved a lot after his international debut in all aspects of his game, whether it is keeping, batting or fielding . I won't push his case for tests, but in One dayers, he should have played instead of Murali Vijay who didn't have proper temperament or shot selection.
And speaking about stats, Wasim Jaffer performs way better than Murali Vijay in domestic matches. Wasim Jaffer also has 5 centuries and 11 half centuries in international tests aswell. He is 33 years old, please don't point out his age because our main openers are anyways Sehwag and Gambhir who are going to continue for long, in their absence we just need someone who can replace them temporarily, Wasim Jaffer fits there in that case. He should be given a chance if Sehwag or Gambhir are injured in tests.
And if you want to give a break to a youngster for future then there is Ajinkya Rahane ,
he has scored at an average of 67.72 in First Class matches. He has scored 17 centuries and 18 half centuries in 48 First Class matches. Where does a Murali Vijay or Abhinav Mukund stand if you compare with Rahane? Please answer this question.
And second of all, its the selectors who pick the players, not Dhoni. What do you mean by influence? Srikkanth has more influence than Dhoni.
The whole selection is in the hands of MS Dhoni as Shrikant is the chairman of selectors. the team is not selected by the selectors alone, Captain and the selectors decide it together, both Shrikant and Dhoni are associated with Chennai super kings, Dhoni has the influence on selection because of Shrikant, I really don't need to prove anything about this
Kris srikanth & Dhoni are all in favour of Groupism where they are selecting people not on merit but people who are close to them
for e.g. Shrikanth's son Anirudha gets selected for Emerging players tournament for India,his First class (avg 29)and list A(avg 32) career are nothing to speak about . There are so many young guys who are ten times more talented then him
Raina preferred over Yuvraj for tests even though Yuvraj has also a lot to offer with his left arm bowling to go with his batting
Murali Vijay gets selected ahead of talented guys like Rahane, Uthappa, Karthik,etc.
Mukund gets selected for tests
Harbhajan and Nehra in the team despite of no performances at all
R Ashwin is preferred over Ojha even though Ojha performs well both in domestic as well as international matches
There are many more examples but i don't want to discuss something which is already in front of everyone.
And now onto Raina and Yusuf battle. Raina has played more matches than Yusuf in ODI's and has a better average. And now onto the domestic stage, Raina is better in batting averages than Yusuf even in the so called T20's. Raina is IPL's all time top scorer and where is Yusuf in that list? So how is he performing well enough to get a call-up at the international stage? And onto bowling, bear in mind the fact that Raina is a batsman, and he is not yet bowling good. See how many balls both have bowled. You'll see the difference.
Raina was in terrible form before world cup, Yusuf played way better before him in that time, he played really well against South Africa in testing conditions.
And in the world cup, he just had 3 bad matches and was dropped, in the first 2 matches he hardly got to bat, then he scored a quick 30 not out against Ireland,
and after that he had 3 bad matches and was dropped. Dhoni just wanted to bring Raina somehow in the team and he did it. 3 bad performances cannot overshadow Yusuf's wonderful for before the World Cup. And even in those 3 matches he was in powerplay twice, and he tried to increase the run rate both the times and sacrificed his wickets in the cause, he played selflessly for the team and was dropped, he could have taken the easy way and tried to play a bit slow and stay not out but he didn't.
In IPL, Yusuf has 11 man of the matches, most by any IPL player.
He has scored more than 1200 runs and taken more than 30 wickets in the IPL, there is only 1 player to achieve this record.
And in domestic arena, Yusuf was involved in the world record of chasing highest score in a fourth innings by scoring 210 runs in the second innings and a century in the first innings
He has a first class batting average of 41.38 in and has taken 120 wickets. Raina has a batting average of 43.52 and has taken just 23 wickets in FC matches.
Yusuf is never been given a proper chance by Dhoni, thats the reason of Yusuf not performing that well under Dhoni. Dhoni doesn't want him in the team as he is a threat to Suresh Raina for the number 7 slot.
Next, Pandey and Pujara. Pandey is still young, he'll get chances soon provided he establishes himself. Look how late Badrinath and Vijay got their chances. Also Pujara established himself way ahead of Pandey on the FC stage, as Pandey is aggressive and erratic. Pujara is however, patient and has good composure. And look at Pandey's List A average, certainly not good enough. And now I'll bring Mukund onto the stage. Mukund has 13 FC centuries and 10 FC half-centuries. But still I agree that Pandey has good potential and I wish that I could see him in the blue colours soon, which will happen. But bringing him now is not good as he definetly needs more experience.
Pujara deserved his place, but since he was injured, Manish Pandey could have got a chance to play the West Indies series. Manish Pandey is dominating the domestic arena since the last two years, he certainly deserved a chance,
Pujara is anyways better than Pandey, but Pandey deserves a chance when Pujara was injured.
And talking about Mukund, Rahane has 17 centuries and 18 fifties at an average of 67.72 in his First Class career, way ahead of Mukund for test selection.And Wasim Jaffer is also way ahead of Mukund,Jaffer has 43 centuries and 72 fifties.
You cannot question his age as India anyways needs a temporary opener in case Sehwag or Gambhir are injured.
And please don't compare Raina to Yusuf man. Raina has lots of potential to become one of the best left-handers in the game.
There is no comparison, comparisons can be made when two players get the same treatment , Raina is getting special treatment and Yusuf is not, I am not saying that Yusuf is more than Raina or something like that, Raina is a very talented player, but so is Yusuf, he is not getting a proper chance to showcase his skills,he has it in him to be the next Andrew Symonds if developed well. Sehwag has had times when his form had reached very low, but Ganguly stuck with him and look at what Sehwag is now. Its the same case with most of the players who are very aggressive, they need time to develop, and its worth developing them as they can win you matches from any situations.
And I do agree that Uthappa is more aggressive than Vijay, but over aggressiveness only leads to erratic and risky play, which will lead to inconsistency. Just look into his stats, Vijay eclipses him in batting averages in all three forms of domestic cricket.
Don't compare Vijay to Uthappa, Vijay is a defensive player and Uthappa is an aggressive player. And this is modern cricket, in the ODIs you have to take risks, look at the way runs are scored in the ODIs these days. You need players like Uthappa in the team to put pressure on the opposition. Even Sehwag takes a lot of risks, but he is such an asset to the team. Vijay is a good talent, but he can improve and be given chances when he is really ready.
And Uthappa performed well under Dravid, but not under Dhoni,
Uthappa under Dravid:
13 innings , 409 runs at a strike rate of 103.28 and an average of 34.08
Uthappa under Dhoni:
22 innings, 377 runs at a strike rate of 82.13 and an average of 22.17
Dhoni constantly shuffled him up and down the order and didn't let him settle.
Changes in his batting position under Dhoni:
3,3,6,5,7,5,6,7,6,3,7,7,7,3,7,1,1,1,6,2,7.
And you can't keep on dropping players and picking new ones. That would mean no chance of balancing the side and blending, and no creativity at all in the end. I do want Ashwin to get a dig at the Test side, and get picked ahead of Harbhajan. We have a very good solution to our spin problem currently if he utilise him properly.
Thats right, you don't keep on dropping players until they hit rock bottom,
but Harbhajan has hardly performed since long. And why Ashwin? Ojha is much better in terms of First Class record and also the fact that he has performed well despite of playing most of his matches against Sri Lanka who play spin very well.
And talking about Irfan, I would like to repeat again, that even Ravi Shastri and Wasim Akram think that he should be in the team to solve our bowling problems, they were discussing a lot about it when the first test at Lord's was going on. Irfan can be used as a 5th bowler and he can also bat well, considering his test record. There is no other player who can bring such stability in the team. And he even got his rhythm back in the latter half of the IPL. He cannot be compared to a RP Singh or Joginder Sharma as he has already proven himself in international arena
Ravi Shastri and Wasim Akram are not fools to recommend Irfan Pathan for the current England test series.
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I don't need to improve stfu
I represent UST at debating!
Just can't be bothered doing the research here
And I give up, they're going around in circles and ignoring my points. You can handle it.
Oh really? Karan316 has proved all your points wrong, you didn't have anything left to say and you were the one who was trying to go in circles as you were always proved wrong
and i knew you will tell other users you know to post in your favour as you are old here, this post has already ended and all your points are wrong, but you are not accepting defeat and just trying to stretch the topic.
