Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

[khalek]

and i forgot to mention Brett lee who is the only bowler nowadays who gets owned by Tendy

 

[SciD]

In Tests or ODIs?

In test cricket he RAN through India at Lahore. Laxman, Tendulkar, Dravid, all fell to Gul either caught behind, bowled, or LBW.

1 match does not mean anything. Even Pathan has done this to Pakistan. That does not make him beast.

Get some sense and stop aruguing just to have fun here and increase your post count.

 

[Insomniac]

That means get anyone under pressure and he will get out.


And I think this is how bowlers try to get wickets. And from what I remember of Gul he get too many cheap wickets with catches at third man on long hops outside off stump.

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What the hell are you guys on. Stop pumping in the stuff you have been drinking or smoking.

Yes, that is how bowlers get wickets.

But there are batsmen who can handle the pressure and negotiate it and score runs.

And there are others, like Tendulkar, who just get out.

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1 match does not mean anything. Even Pathan has done this to Pakistan. That does not make him beast.

Get some sense and stop aruguing just to have fun here and increase your post count.

Well its a true statistic. Umar Gul's bowling average vs Tendulkar is 2, in the only test he played against Tendu

 

[khalek]

Come on i know somebody will again say look at the poll, grow up, poll is just for fans but stats or recent performance proves how well the batsman is

 

[metallics2006]

Watch the youtube video above if you want to see some real sixes. And you guys constantly saying Tendulkar fans this Tendulkar fans that, lets get this straight. I support India and not an individual be it Sachin or Ganguly or Dhoni. You wanna speak stats? Lets do it then:

Sachin Tendulkar
ODIs M-417 I-407 NO-38 R-16361 HS-186* Avg-44.33 SR-85.49 Hu-42 F-89 C-122 Stu-0

Inzamam
ODIs M-378 I-350 NO-53 R-11739 HS-137* Avg-39.52 SR-74.24 Hu-10 F-83 C-113 Stu-0

He is also older than Sachin. Inzy made his FC debut in 1985/86 so he also has more experience than Sachin who made his debut in the year 1988/89. So the stats have proved that Sachin is WAY better.(Stats-Cricinfo).

 

[Insomniac]

Anyway, lets get back onto the topic.

Fact: Sachin Tendulkar only has two man of the match awards in Indian wins in test cricket.

Fact: Sachin Tendulkar has not got a man of the match since 1998 in an Indian win.

Fact: Inzamam-ul-Haq averaged 93.00 in Pakistan wins in his prime (from 2001 to 2005)

Fact: Sachin Tendulkar chokes so many times, as shown by the incidents in this thread that have been listed by various users.

Fact: Inzamam-ul-Haq averages more runs in Pakistan wins than Sachin Tendulkar, showing his runs tend to lead to Pakistan winning more often than Tendulkar.

 

[SciD]

Yes, that is how bowlers get wickets.

But there are batsmen who can handle the pressure and negotiate it and score runs.

And there are others, like Tendulkar, who just get out.

Then I think all the runs he has scored are just when there was no pressure. Just to remind you he was only Indian getting runs in Overseas conditions in 1990 to 1997 period. I guess then he had no pressure and bowlers did not tried to put pressure on him.

 

[Insomniac]

Watch the youtube video above if you want to see some real sixes. And you guys constantly saying Tendulkar fans this Tendulkar fans that, lets get this straight. I support India and not an individual be it Sachin or Ganguly or Dhoni. You wanna speak stats? Lets do it then:

Sachin Tendulkar
ODIs M-417 I-407 NO-38 R-16361 HS-186* Avg-44.33 SR-85.49 Hu-42 F-89 C-122 Stu-0

Inzamam
ODIs M-378 I-350 NO-53 R-11739 HS-137* Avg-39.52 SR-74.24 Hu-10 F-83 C-113 Stu-0

He is also older than Sachin. Inzy made his FC debut in 1985/86 so he also has more experience than Sachin who made his debut in the year 1988/89. So the stats have proved that Sachin is WAY better.(Stats-Cricinfo).

Did I just not say that we are NOT discussing ODI cricket in this thread?

It is not up for debate. Besides, nice of you to not respond to my story of how Inzamam beat India with his pressure absorbing abilities.

 

[SciD]

How did your Inzy handled Warnie and McGrath?

 

[Insomniac]

Then I think all the runs he has scored are just when there was no pressure. Just to remind you he was only Indian getting runs in Overseas conditions in 1990 to 1997 period. I guess then he had no pressure and bowlers did not tried to put pressure on him.

I guess not, because whenever he was put under pressure he failed.

Another conflicting report, because manee stated that VVS Laxman, Rahul Dravid, and Sourav Ganguly scored the runs for India so Tendulkar's average in wins is not high.

 

[khalek]

Overall Tendy is not a match winner, he only plays for his career. He never contributed for India in test cricket and led them to series win for a very very long time

On the other hand, for Inzi, only winning matters not his career stats

 

[Insomniac]

How did your Inzy handled Warnie and McGrath?

Well enough to take Pakistan to victory.

54 run 10th wicket partnership with Mushtaq Ahmed in 1994 to take Pakistan home, something Tendulkar can't do

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Oh wow am I missing a player from India's middle order.

Mohammad Azharuddin.

You're telling me a batting line-up of Dravid, Tendulkar, Azharuddin, Ganguly, and Laxman is BAD?

Seriously, just shut up now you guys. That is SHAMEFUL if you are calling Dravid, Azharuddin, Ganguly, and Laxman bad batsmen in the Indian batting order, and how everyone had to depend on Tendulkar.

 

[King Pietersen]

Here's an incident.

Pakistan v India, 4th ODI in 6 match series in 2005. India lead 2-1.

The start is delayed due to wet outfield, reduced to 48 overs a side.

India bat first, and get 315-6

Sachin Tendulkar scores 123 off 130 balls with 12 4s and 2 6s

Next highest scorer was Dhoni with 47

Pakistani openers set off well in pursuit of 316 in 48 overs with Afridi getting 40 off 23, and Butt got 48

Inzamam-ul-Haq walked in, with 133 runs required off 19.5 overs. The score: 183/3

Shoaib Malik at the other end is pushing for singles, and goes for 65 trying to hit a six.

Pakistan 253/4, 38.2 overs

Now after this point, its disaster for Pakistan, with Mohammad Yousuf hooking to fine leg, and Younus Khan getting run out by Nehra. A few balls later, Kamran was going for a suicidal single to give Inzamam the strike, and was run out by again, Nehra

Pakistan 295/7, required 21 off 4 overs. Only 3 wickets in hand. Mohammad Sami at the other end with Danish and Rana Naveed to come

Pakistan 301/7, require 15 off 3 overs.

Zaheer Khan is coming in, Inzamam gets 2 runs, then a single, giving Sami strike for 3 balls of the over. Zaheer bowls a beamer, no ball (pressure I guess),

The rest of the over give Pakistan no runs, till Sami edges the ball to third man and retains strike.

Pakistan require 10 runs with 2 overs, and only 3 wickets. Sami on strike

Pakistan get 7 runs from the over thanks to bad fielding by Sachin Tendulkar in the deep

Now, last over, 3 runs to get, 6 balls. Tendulkar to bowl.

Tendulkar bowls 2 dot balls.

Inzamam hits Tendulkar to wide-mid-off for 2 runs

3 balls, 1 run required

The next 2 balls are good tight balls, no run for Inzamam

Last ball, 1 run required, Inzamam on strike.

Tendulkar brings his fielders in, Sachin bowling around the wicket bowls a good ball, but slightly wide, Inzamam caresses it through the gap on the offside for 4 runs.

Pakistan win the game by 3 wickets with no balls to spare.

The man of the match? Well Sachin made 124, but thanks to Inzamam's COMPOSURE in his PRESSURE COOKER situation, the commentators of the match gave the man of the match to none other than...

Inzamam-ul-Haq. Could Sachin Tendulkar ever do that in Inzamam's situation? Never.

Wow, yeh, you're right, 1 example definitely proves Inzamam to be the better player.

It does seem that the tides are reversed now, in his entire ODi career, Tendulkar has scored 30 centuries for India, averaging 57 in games that India have won, with his other 12 centuries coming in games that have either been lost or drawn. Inzamam only has 7 hundreds in games which Pakistan have won, averaging less than Tendulkar at 51. Tendulkar also happens to average higher when India lose also, with 11 hundreds compared to Inzamam's 3. Sachin has more hundreds in India defeats than Inzamam scored in his entire career in ODi cricket.

Sachin also scored his runs quicker, with a far better strike rate. He has a strike rate of 89 in ODi's won by India compared with Inzamam who has a strike rate of 79. In games lost for either country it gets worse for Inzamam, with him only having a strike rate of 67, compared with Tendulkar's strike rate of 80.

Then we compare averages and hundreds against the top countries:

Australia
Tendulkar: 2730 runs at 46.27 with 8 hundreds
Inzamam: 991 runs at 31.96 with 0 hundreds

England
Tendulkar: 1274 runs at 42.46 with 1 hundred
Inzamam: 835 runs at 46.38 with 0 hundreds

South Africa
Tendulkar: 1655 runs at 31.82 with 3 hundreds
Inzamam: 967 runs at 30.21 with 0 hundreds

Sri Lanka
Tendulkar: 2566 runs at 45.01 with 7 hundreds
Inzamam: 2265 runs at 44.41 with 4 hundreds

New Zealand
Tendulkar: 1460 runs at 41.71 with 4 hundreds
Inzamam: 1283 runs at 34.67 with 1 hundred

Pakistan
Tendulkar: 2381 runs at 39.68 with 5 hundreds

India
Inzamam: 2403 runs at 43.69 with 4 hundreds

Sachin has better stats against every single team. Better average, and more hundreds, apart from England where Inzamam's average is slightly better, but he doesn't have a century to his name. There's no doubting in my mind that Sachin is the better player in OD and Test cricket. I'm sure you'll come up with something to make out Inzamam's better though. Good luck.

 

[khalek]

Well enough to take Pakistan to victory.

54 run 10th wicket partnership with Mushtaq Ahmed in 1994 to take Pakistan home, something Tendulkar can't do

Yeah tendy can only do that in shorter version of the game, when its longer version he chokes very easily.

if i am not mistaken, Mcgrath owned Tendy everytime they faced each other

 

[Insomniac]

Wow, yeh, you're right, 1 example definitely proves Inzamam to be the better player.

It does seem that the tides are reversed now, in his entire ODi career, Tendulkar has scored 30 centuries for India, averaging 57 in games that India have won, with his other 12 centuries coming in games that have either been lost or drawn. Inzamam only has 7 hundreds in games which Pakistan have won, averaging less than Tendulkar at 51. Tendulkar also happens to average higher when India lose also, with 11 hundreds compared to Inzamam's 3. Sachin has more hundreds in India defeats than Inzamam scored in his entire career in ODi cricket.

Sachin also scored his runs quicker, with a far better strike rate. He has a strike rate of 89 in ODi's won by India compared with Inzamam who has a strike rate of 79. In games lost for either country it gets worse for Inzamam, with him only having a strike rate of 67, compared with Tendulkar's strike rate of 80.

Then we compare averages and hundreds against the top countries:

Australia
Tendulkar: 2730 runs at 46.27 with 8 hundreds
Inzamam: 991 runs at 31.96 with 0 hundreds

England
Tendulkar: 1274 runs at 42.46 with 1 hundred
Inzamam: 835 runs at 46.38 with 0 hundreds

South Africa
Tendulkar: 1655 runs at 31.82 with 3 hundreds
Inzamam: 967 runs at 30.21 with 0 hundreds

Sri Lanka
Tendulkar: 2566 runs at 45.01 with 7 hundreds
Inzamam: 2265 runs at 44.41 with 4 hundreds

New Zealand
Tendulkar: 1460 runs at 41.71 with 4 hundreds
Inzamam: 1283 runs at 34.67 with 1 hundred

Pakistan
Tendulkar: 2381 runs at 39.68 with 5 hundreds

India
Inzamam: 2403 runs at 43.69 with 4 hundreds

Sachin has better stats against every single team. Better average, and more hundreds, apart from England where Inzamam's average is slightly better, but he doesn't have a century to his name. There's no doubting in my mind that Sachin is the better player in OD and Test cricket. I'm sure you'll come up with something to make out Inzamam's better though. Good luck.

Are you BLIND?

I have already stated, as has manee in the first page of this thread, this discussion is for test cricket only.

Honestly this should have never swerved to ODIs till one of you brought it up.