Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

[Insomniac]

He didn't blow anyone away at the age of 16...

Ajantha Mendis just started his test match career. He WILL get man of the match awards no doubt about it. And I can assure you, he will get more than 2 man of the match awards against teams that are not Bangladesh or Zimbabwe.

Regarding the batsmen around Tendy - the Pakistani batsman I mentioned that batted around Inzamam in his career averaged more than the Indian batsmen in wins, so thats where your argument completely falls apart - the statistics are located in this thread... Somewhere

 

[pal]

Ajantha Mendis did not get any MOM awards in the recently concluded 3 test series. Does that mean that he had a worse series than Murali, Sehwag or Sangakkara? On the contrary. A much better one. It isn't always a true indication. Sachin hasn't won MOM awards as many times as Inzamam becasue there were quality players such as Dravid, Ganguly and Laxman in the team at the same time. Plus, Inzamam's job was made easier with a much more potent bowling line-up than India's.

This is an opinion but it takes some doing to blow everyone away with that type of skill at the tender of 16.

Good point.

Regarding the batsmen around Tendy - the Pakistani batsman I mentioned that batted around Inzamam in his career averaged more than the Indian batsmen in wins, so thats where your argument completely falls apart

Only if Dravid alone hadn't outscored Younis Khan and Saeed Anwar combined through the course of his career. And then you add in Azhar and Ganguly, who played with Sachin for most of his career, and you see why your point fails.

 

[Cricketman]

The thing is, he's only counting games that Pakistan have won.

It's how they perform in all situations, not just the ones where Pakistan have come up tops.

 

[pal]

The thing is, he's only counting games that Pakistan have won.

What else do you expect him to do? Do you actually expect him to address the fact that Inzamam only averages 35 in matches that Pakistan lost/drew, situations in which Pakistan needed him most to save the match?

This is a lost cause. These are the type of people who would never accept India is better at something. This will not come to a decisive conclusion.

 

[Insomniac]

Good point.


Only if Dravid alone hadn't outscored Younis Khan and Saeed Anwar combined through the course of his career. And then you add in Azhar and Ganguly, who played with Sachin for most of his career, and you see why your point fails.

Once again, Mendis will get more than 2 man of the match award for his country in a winning cause.

GUARANTEED.

Not receiving a man of the match does not mean you've played badly.

But to be a so-called legend and not get one in a winning scenario for TEN years is bad.

Also, I don't quite understand your point. Dravid averages 71.54, while Younus and Saeed average 67 and 66, with Yousuf averaging 59.

So lets look at this logically:

Inzamam 78.16 | Dravid 71.54
Younus 67.90 | Tendulkar 62.11
Anwar 66.29 | Laxman 51
Yousuf 59.47 | Sehwag 50
Ahmed 46.46 | Ganguly 46
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=318.28 | =280.65

As you can see, theres a difference of nearly 40 runs, and by your logic it is actually Inzamam who has had the most difficulty in scoring the runs for Pakistan as the

As you can see, apart from Ijaz and Ganguly, there is really no competition. Inzamam has had a more difficult job of scoring the runs with all those quality batsmen in there.

The excuse just doesn't work because more batsmen scored when Inzamam was playing, and therefore, didn't leave him much runs to get.

Correct?

zMario added 1 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

The thing is, he's only counting games that Pakistan have won.

It's how they perform in all situations, not just the ones where Pakistan have come up tops.

And matches India have won, please read before you speak.

Why do you want a batsman that has a low average in matches his team wins, surely you want the batsmen who when he scores, can take the team to victory rather than the one who finds it a little harder to take his team to victory?

 

[pal]

You have to look at the number of runs and not just the averages alone. A batsman who averages a certain number over 25 matches is not equivalent to a batsman who averages the same number over 50 matches.

 

[Insomniac]

What else do you expect him to do? Do you actually expect him to address the fact that Inzamam only averages 35 in matches that Pakistan lost/drew, situations in which Pakistan needed him most to save the match?

This is a lost cause. These are the type of people who would never accept India is better at something. This will not come to a decisive conclusion.

I've already addressed that fact SEVERAL times.

By the way, its nice of you to lump together the draws and loses averages to make him look bad. His average in drawn games is 46.86

Tell me honestly, are runs in a match that the batsman won for his country more important than runs in a match that the team lost in?

Once you answer that, you'll know who you want in your team.

 

[Pakistani Army]

What a response! Everyone in here is saying that Tendulkar didn't have a high average in matches won by India, because other batsmen scored the runs for India. But you just proved that its actually the other way around - Inzamam found it the hardest to score runs because of the averages in Pakistan wins that the other batsmen around him had! Brilliant, absolutely BRILLIANT!

 

[pal]

What a response! Everyone in here is saying that Tendulkar didn't have a high average in matches won by India, because other batsmen scored the runs for India. But you just proved that its actually the other way around - Inzamam found it the hardest to score runs because of the averages in Pakistan wins that the other batsmen around him had! Brilliant, absolutely BRILLIANT!

You have to look at the number of runs, not the averages. Dravid alone outscored Younis Khan and Saeed Anwar combined through his career. He averaged 71.54 in matches India won through the course of his career, a career in which he has scored more than 10,000 runs. This is just silly. No one would have said that Hussey was a better batsman than Bradman, when his average was insanely high during the start of his career.

Look, I will say this again, this is a lost cause. Not all of us have the luxury of spending hours on end chatting inanely on an internet forum. If you have another argument that you haven't put forth already, I will try to get to it whenever I'm on in the next few days. None of us here will be swayed by the other's arguments, not on such a polarizing issue.

 

[Cricketman]

What the hell are you guys talking about, Sachin not performing in winning situations - he just scored a hundred and a 91 in Australia to win the CB Series! 150 batting with the tail in the infamous Sydney test! The 140 in the sandstorm match against Australia in Sarjah! He took Warne - the greatest bowler of this generation, if not ever - apart every time! You guys are just retarded. There are many many more occasions, Sachin is simply better in all forms of the game and in any situation, statistics in winning matches are not end all.

Cricketman added 3 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

He didn't blow anyone away at the age of 16...

He started averaging consistently in the 40's by his 9th match.

 

[Insomniac]

What the hell are you guys talking about, Sachin not performing in winning situations - he just scored a hundred and a 91 in Australia to win the CB Series! 150 batting with the tail in the infamous Sydney test! The 140 in the sandstorm match against Australia in Sarjah! He took Warne - the greatest bowler of this generation, if not ever - apart every time! You guys are just retarded. There are many many more occasions, Sachin is simply better in all forms of the game and in any situation, statistics in winning matches are not end all.

Cricketman added 3 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...



He started averaging consistently in the 40's by his 9th match.

Guess what Cricketman? This thread is for test cricket only, maybe you need to get your eyes checked.

Guess what? Inzamam took on some of the fastest bowlers on of our generation

He averages 119.0 vs Zaheer Khan, 96.50 vs Balaji, 90.33 vs Hoggard, 74.00 vs Irfan Pathan,69 vs Plunkett, 53.00 vs Flintoff,

Sachin Tendulkar averages 39.00 vs Warne, so much for taking him on everytime...

You need to be careful with your words because only an average of 39.00 is definitely not taking him apart everytime.

Tendulkar averages 8 v Mohammad Sami
Tendulkar averages 15 v Waqar Younis
Tendulkar averages 16 v Monty Panesar
Tendulkar averages 22 v Glenn McGrath
Tendulkar averages 8 v Shaun Pollock (4 dismissals)
Tendulkar averages 5 v Shoaib Akhtar
Tendulkar averages 14 v DR Tuffey


Those are just some decent bowlers who have dismissed him several times

But don't focus on that, I'm focusing on Cricketman's point that Warne has been dominated by Tendulkar every time. Very sad.

zMario added 1 Minutes and 33 Seconds later...

You have to look at the number of runs, not the averages. Dravid alone outscored Younis Khan and Saeed Anwar combined through his career. He averaged 71.54 in matches India won through the course of his career, a career in which he has scored more than 10,000 runs. This is just silly. No one would have said that Hussey was a better batsman than Bradman, when his average was insanely high during the start of his career.

Look, I will say this again, this is a lost cause. Not all of us have the luxury of spending hours on end chatting inanely on an internet forum. If you have another argument that you haven't put forth already, I will try to get to it whenever I'm on in the next few days. None of us here will be swayed by the other's arguments, not on such a polarizing issue.

And Inzamam averaged higher than Dravid I believe?

If anything, these statistics prove Inzamam always had to do it alone, and at various times in his career had alot more help than Tendulkar, and at others, not so much help.

zMario added 2 Minutes and 15 Seconds later...

Also, before Cricketman says Inzamam struggled against Warne, he averages 37.00 - only 2 behind

And thats not bad considering Inzamam's strength was pace bowling, and not spin, while apparently Sachin's expertise is at spin bowling.

Oh, and both batsmen have struggled against McGrath.

Tendulkar's average v McGrath 22.16
Inzamam's average v McGrath 23.80

Sachin has been dismissed 6 times by McGrath, Inzamam 5.

Which in itself is interesting because Sachin has played 9 tests v McGrath, and Inzamam 13.

 

[Cricketman]

He averages 119.0 vs Zaheer Khan, 96.50 vs Balaji, 90.33 vs Hoggard, 74.00 vs Irfan Pathan,69 vs Plunkett, 53.00 vs Flintoff,

THOSE are the best bowlers of our generation! LOL!

 

[Insomniac]

THOSE are the best bowlers of our generation! LOL!

Well yes, because the problem was that Pakistan had the best fast bowlers of this generation (Waqar, Wasim, Akhtar)

So it was difficult to compare

zMario added 2 Minutes and 25 Seconds later...

Donalds dismissed Tendulkar 5 times in 11 matches - Tendulkar's avg is 12 against Donald

In 5 matches, Inzamam has only been dismissed by Donald once.

Also Tendulkar averages 8.25 v Pollock

Inzamam averages 21.00

Unless Pollocks not a good or great fast bowler?

 

[Cricketman]

You conveniently forgot about McGrath, Lee, etc for Inzi it seems.

 

[Insomniac]

Donalds dismissed Tendulkar 5 times in 11 matches - Tendulkar's avg is 12 against Donald

In 5 matches, Inzamam has only been dismissed by Donald once.

Also Tendulkar averages 8.25 v Pollock

Inzamam averages 21.00

Unless Pollocks not a good or great fast bowler?