Tendulkar v Inzamam TEST CRICKET ONLY

[Cricketman]

Sachin has his worst record against the Saffa's, probably because of Pollock!

He is a very good bowler.

 

[Insomniac]

You conveniently forgot about McGrath, Lee, etc for Inzi it seems.

No, its up there if you could read it (McGrath)

Inzamam hasn't played a test match against Lee

 

[lightbulb]

Are you an Indian or an Englishman ?

English.

 

[sohum]

Okay, I've read this many times about Sachin getting only two man of the match awards in Test cricket. Here is some evidence to dispel that bullshit, unless I am reading your reading of "man-of-the-match" incorrectly.

Man-of-the-Match Tables
On this page, Sachin has 10 of these awards as of July 18, 2006. Inzamam does not figure on the list.

I will do some Cricinfo research for you, as well, since you seem bent on spewing bullcrap:

vs England (in Manchester, 1990)
vs England (in Chennai, 1993)
vs New Zealand (in Chennai, 1996)
vs Australia (in Chennai, 1998)
vs Pakistan (in Chennai, 1999)
vs New Zealand (in Ahmedabad, 1999)
vs Australia (in Melbourne, 1999)
vs South Africa (in Mumbai, 2000)
vs Zimbabwe (in Kolkata, 2002)
vs Australia (in Sydney, 2004)
vs Australia (in Adelaide, 2008)

So really, I cannot see where you are getting 2 from? In fact, of these 11 man of the match awards, 4 come against Australia, the strongest team in the world. 4 also come away from home.

I just did a read back and found that you meant matches with wins without counting Zimbabwe (what a fine-grained filter, by the way). Really, if you look at the table I posted above you will see that Sachin is in the list of top players with Man of the Matches (by a mile in ODIs, btw). Saying that drawn matches don't count is bullshit. Bowlers win Test matches, not batsmen. You CANNOT WIN A TEST MATCH IF YOU DON'T TAKE 20 WICKETS.

As a result, the measure of man of the matches in games won to determine how good a batsman is, in short, pure tripe.

 

[shantanu_rooney]

Inzamam hasn't played a test match against Lee

Inzaman averages 0 against Brett Lee
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru/engine/match/221840.html

shantanu_rooney added 6 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

Sachin Averages 39 against Warne
Sachin avergaes 49 against Murali
Sachin Averages 55 against Lee

While

Inzaman Averages 37 against Warne
Inzaman Averages 41 against Murali

Two of the best spinners in the World

 

[shravi]

You use the matches won stat a lot to show that Sachin chokes. However, it is a very debatable point that in matches lost, Inzamam choked too.

This isn't an argument, but a question. Could you please get me stats on the number of tests involving Sachin and Inzamam, and see how many times India and Pakistan have lost with them in the team, then the averages. I don't know if you've already done this but I'm not going to go through 33 pages to check either.

 

[Chetan0304]

Inzamam averages 0 against Lee :eek I knew it

 

[shan111]

Lets see how Sachin and Inzi have faired aginst 3 of the post potent pace attacks in the world cricket in their backyard.

Sachin's Series Average Against Australia in Australia:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=2;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against Australia in Australia:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=2;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Sachin's Series Avereage Against SA in SA:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=3;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against SA in SA:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=3;template=results;type=batting;view=series=series

Sachin's Series Average Against England in England:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=1;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against England in England:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=1;template=results;type=batting;view=series

This tells the whole story about who is better.

 

[Pranav]

You know Tendulkar is better than Inzamam and the the statistics also show that.We are comparing batsmen according to their over all stats.

First, you limited this conversation to only Test matches.
Now, when you are still losing, you say when has he scored in pressure situations.

Using this way, I can prove many batsmen are better than Sachin.
for example: I can say that Masakadza (from Zimbave) is better than Tendulkar as he scored a century in his Test debut but Sachin didn't.

If you better talk about the overall situation & not "pressure" or "tests" etc. etc. you'll get only one answer. Sachin is a better batsman than Inzimam.

zMario do you have anything to say on my earlier post?

 

[lightbulb]

I posted this topic in another forum and here are their responses, only a few so far but it'll grow.

 

[Insomniac]

Okay, I've read this many times about Sachin getting only two man of the match awards in Test cricket. Here is some evidence to dispel that bullshit, unless I am reading your reading of "man-of-the-match" incorrectly.

Man-of-the-Match Tables
On this page, Sachin has 10 of these awards as of July 18, 2006. Inzamam does not figure on the list.

I will do some Cricinfo research for you, as well, since you seem bent on spewing bullcrap:

vs England (in Manchester, 1990)
vs England (in Chennai, 1993)
vs New Zealand (in Chennai, 1996)
vs Australia (in Chennai, 1998)
vs Pakistan (in Chennai, 1999)
vs New Zealand (in Ahmedabad, 1999)
vs Australia (in Melbourne, 1999)
vs South Africa (in Mumbai, 2000)
vs Zimbabwe (in Kolkata, 2002)
vs Australia (in Sydney, 2004)
vs Australia (in Adelaide, 2008)

So really, I cannot see where you are getting 2 from? In fact, of these 11 man of the match awards, 4 come against Australia, the strongest team in the world. 4 also come away from home.

I just did a read back and found that you meant matches with wins without counting Zimbabwe (what a fine-grained filter, by the way). Really, if you look at the table I posted above you will see that Sachin is in the list of top players with Man of the Matches (by a mile in ODIs, btw). Saying that drawn matches don't count is bullshit. Bowlers win Test matches, not batsmen. You CANNOT WIN A TEST MATCH IF YOU DON'T TAKE 20 WICKETS.

As a result, the measure of man of the matches in games won to determine how good a batsman is, in short, pure tripe.

Are you mentally retarded? You go on statsguru, and find all the matches Sachin has got a Man of the Match in?

And then you read the qualifications.

First of all, the man of the match shows the player who performed the best in a game. The man of the match award for YOU is tripe because Sir Tendulkar only got TWO in his test career in WINS (and not including Bangladesh or Zimbabwe)

The man of the match shows who was the match-winner in that game. The fact Tendulkar only has two MoMs since 1998 shows that.

And heres the statsguru page that shows that. http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...=1;template=results;type=allround;view=awards

Tendulkar is on the THIRD page.

Out of 38 wins Tendulkar has played in, he has only contributed heavily in two.

And you call him a team player?

Sachin is on the second page

zMario added 1 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...

Lets see how Sachin and Inzi have faired aginst 3 of the post potent pace attacks in the world cricket in their backyard.

Sachin's Series Average Against Australia in Australia:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=2;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against Australia in Australia:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=2;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Sachin's Series Avereage Against SA in SA:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=3;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against SA in SA:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=3;template=results;type=batting;view=series=series

Sachin's Series Average Against England in England:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=1;template=results;type=batting;view=series

Inzamam's Series Average Against England in England:
http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...n=1;template=results;type=batting;view=series

This tells the whole story about who is better.

Tendulkar is a CHOKER.

He cannot handle chasing pressure situations as much as Inzamam. And you know it.

But since you're so onto Inzamam, get his averages in India (where according to manee has better pitches than Pakistan), New Zealand, West Indies.

I will reply to your post in a moment Pranav.

zMario added 3 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...

You know Tendulkar is better than Inzamam and the the statistics also show that.We are comparing batsmen according to their over all stats.

First, you limited this conversation to only Test matches.
Now, when you are still losing, you say when has he scored in pressure situations.

Using this way, I can prove many batsmen are better than Sachin.
for example: I can say that Masakadza (from Zimbave) is better than Tendulkar as he scored a century in his Test debut but Sachin didn't.

If you better talk about the overall situation & not "pressure" or "tests" etc. etc. you'll get only one answer. Sachin is a better batsman than Inzimam.

I did not limit this conversation to test cricket you fool.

That was done by Manee, and as it is, we will be speaking about test cricket, where I feel Inzamam is easily on top of Tendu

How am I losing? I have shown Inzamam averages MORE than Tendulkar in WINNING situations. That is, Inzamam helps his team win more than Tendulkar.

Insecure Tendu fans have decided to attack that point by saying that is actually the runs scored in loss/draw situations, which is complete bull.

In an overall situation, which factors second innings scores (when chasing a total, or setting a total in a test), or having 60 runs to win, with just one wicket in hand, Inzamam's the man.

If you want cheap runs from a guy who can't score when the team needs him to (as often as Inzamam), then please pick Tendulkar.

Tendulkar cannot POSSIBLY be referred to as a legend in test match cricket. He has only HEAVILY decided 2 test matches in 34 tests (wins). And please don't give me that crap about how the batsmen around Tendulkar scored runs so he couldn't, I already showed that Inzamam's peers were actually averaging more in wins than Tendulkar's.

 

[lightbulb]

Are you mentally retarded? You go on statsguru, and find all the matches Sachin has got a Man of the Match in?

And then you read the qualifications.

First of all, the man of the match shows the player who performed the best in a game. The man of the match award for YOU is tripe because Sir Tendulkar only got TWO in his test career in WINS (and not including Bangladesh or Zimbabwe)

The man of the match shows who was the match-winner in that game. The fact Tendulkar only has two MoMs since 1998 shows that.

And heres the statsguru page that shows that. http://stats.cricinfo.com/statsguru...=1;template=results;type=allround;view=awards

Tendulkar is on the THIRD page.

Out of 38 wins Tendulkar has played in, he has only contributed heavily in two.

And you call him a team player?

Sachin is on the second page

zMario added 1 Minutes and 30 Seconds later...


Tendulkar is a CHOKER.

He cannot handle chasing pressure situations as much as Inzamam. And you know it.

But since you're so onto Inzamam, get his averages in India (where according to manee has better pitches than Pakistan), New Zealand, West Indies.

I will reply to your post in a moment Pranav.

zMario added 3 Minutes and 58 Seconds later...


I did not limit this conversation to test cricket you fool.

That was done by Manee, and as it is, we will be speaking about test cricket, where I feel Inzamam is easily on top of Tendu

How am I losing? I have shown Inzamam averages MORE than Tendulkar in WINNING situations. That is, Inzamam helps his team win more than Tendulkar.

Insecure Tendu fans have decided to attack that point by saying that is actually the runs scored in loss/draw situations, which is complete bull.

In an overall situation, which factors second innings scores (when chasing a total, or setting a total in a test), or having 60 runs to win, with just one wicket in hand, Inzamam's the man.

If you want cheap runs from a guy who can't score when the team needs him to (as often as Inzamam), then please pick Tendulkar.

Tendulkar cannot POSSIBLY be referred to as a legend in test match cricket. He has only HEAVILY decided 2 test matches in 34 tests (wins). And please don't give me that crap about how the batsmen around Tendulkar scored runs so he couldn't, I already showed that Inzamam's peers were actually averaging more in wins than Tendulkar's.

You can't accuse someone of something when there are stats stating that he isn't. You can't look at those stats, as well as others on this page, and simply say that Sachin was a choker, because it's completely wrong. I sense someone is getting a bit desperate to revive an already lost battle.

 

[Insomniac]

You can't accuse someone of something when there are stats stating that he isn't. You can't look at those stats, as well as others on this page, and simply say that Sachin was a choker, because it's completely wrong. I sense someone is getting a bit desperate to revive an already lost battle.

Where do the stats state that he isn't?

The stats state that he is more of a choker than Inzamam.

Seriously, look at the win averages. Look at the number of MoMs in winning situations (minus Bangladesh or Zimbabwe)

Hell, you could go ahead and include Bangladesh and Zimbabwe - Sachin still only has 2 MoMs in 47 test wins

While Inzamam has 7 test MoMs and 3 man of the series in 49 test wins.

The stats paint a story. Sachin scores under pressure, it usually leads to an Indian loss or draw. When Inzamam scores, it leads to a Pakistani win or draw.

And thats a fact.

 

[Pranav]

I did not limit this conversation to test cricket you.

That was done by Manee, and as it is, we will be speaking about test cricket, where I feel Inzamam is easily on top of Tendu

How am I losing? I have shown Inzamam averages MORE than Tendulkar in WINNING situations. That is, Inzamam helps his team win more than Tendulkar.

Insecure Tendu fans have decided to attack that point by saying that is actually the runs scored in loss/draw situations, which is complete bull.

In an overall situation, which factors second innings scores (when chasing a total, or setting a total in a test), or having 60 runs to win, with just one wicket in hand, Inzamam's the man.

If you want cheap runs from a guy who can't score when the team needs him to (as often as Inzamam), then please pick Tendulkar.

Tendulkar cannot POSSIBLY be referred to as a legend in test match cricket. He has only HEAVILY decided 2 test matches in 34 tests (wins). And please don't give me that crap about how the batsmen around Tendulkar scored runs so he couldn't, I already showed that Inzamam's peers were actually averaging more in wins than Tendulkar's.

You are still limiting down the conversation.:

 

[khalek]

Of course limiting down the stats will prove how well the players have played according to situation and how badly they have choked when the team needed them to perform...