Test Cricket tweak

[jonah]

Update on the Test Ravi...
I was bowled out for 165 (a paltry total I know, but a crucial lead of 64).
Zim 2nd inns (green wicket) made 118 all out leaving me 55 to win. I've let you know the majority of the wickets were backfoot edges, off the seamers bowling the off cutter.
I scraped home early on day 3 with the loss of 4 wickets. A low scoring Test, but played in good bowling conditions.
I'll try the files on a normal/hard/dry wicket soon.

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 3 2003, 08:38 AM
Update on the Test Ravi...
I was bowled out for 165 (a paltry total I know, but a crucial lead of 64).
Zim 2nd inns (green wicket) made 118 all out leaving me 55 to win. I've let you know the majority of the wickets were backfoot edges, off the seamers bowling the off cutter.
I scraped home early on day 3 with the loss of 4 wickets. A low scoring Test, but played in good bowling conditions.
I'll try the files on a normal/hard/dry wicket soon.

Thanks Jonah for the update, I suppose you might still want to use the one with the same edge value given the game might behave differently against other opposition, pitches and weather conditions. Given the favourable bowling conditions, a better opposition might last till the end of 4th day which I suppose is fairly realistic. The edges, were they always reaching the slips successfully or falling short at times and also at any point of time did you notice the CPU batting a bit aggressively, Let me know. Also were there dismissal other than being caught in the slips.

Cheers.

 

[crick4life]

Jonah, before you start on another Test match have a game using the ODI batting setup file Ive just sent you. I have to say it is very satisfying to use, my gut feeling is you will agree with me. Also you can try out the CPU chase if you can bat first(not sure if you can win the toss always). Play on a good batting surface probably a hard pitch.

 

[jonah]

Ravi, the edges were a mix of falling short of the slips, going through slips and getting caught, so a good variety.
I didn't get any other wickets by other means...hopefully in future Tests I use your files with I'll get the odd lbw, bowled or caught in the outfield.
The cpu scored at about 3-4 an over..the occasional hit over the top, again pretty good.

Thanks for the latest ODI file. I tried your first ones (bowling, on hard wicket) and the cpu (Aus) made 348/3 :blink: . A little too aggressive for my liking, but others may like it that way. I didn't get any edges , and few mistimed shots. The only wickets I took were in the slog overs, all bowled by yorkers (btw, the cpu doesn't always sweep yorkers, but often plays the straight drive, or 6 hit straight drive. Pretty solid too).
I like the cpu to score between 240-300 , so keeping it realistic,( obviously other ppl may like 320+ as a good cpu total...each to his own ), with some defensive shots and play/misses, edges etc. I suppose it's difficult to have all this and make the cpu bat out it's 50 overs.
I'll try them again, (NOT as Aus!), with your new batting files, over the next few days.

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 3 2003, 11:25 AM
Ravi, the edges were a mix of falling short of the slips, going through slips and getting caught, so a good variety.
I didn't get any other wickets by other means...hopefully in future Tests I use your files with I'll get the odd lbw, bowled or caught in the outfield.
The cpu scored at about 3-4 an over..the occasional hit over the top, again pretty good.

Thanks for the latest ODI file. I tried your first ones (bowling, on hard wicket) and the cpu (Aus) made 348/3 :blink: . A little too aggressive for my liking, but others may like it that way. I didn't get any edges , and few mistimed shots. The only wickets I took were in the slog overs, all bowled by yorkers (btw, the cpu doesn't always sweep yorkers, but often plays the straight drive, or 6 hit straight drive. Pretty solid too).
I like the cpu to score between 240-300 , so keeping it realistic,( obviously other ppl may like 320+ as a good cpu total...each to his own ), with some defensive shots and play/misses, edges etc. I suppose it's difficult to have all this and make the cpu bat out it's 50 overs.
I'll try them again, (NOT as Aus!), with your new batting files, over the next few days.

I suppose, all your suggestions can be implemented its just that its very hard to maintain the same over the other pitches. There can be more edges and a little less aggression to get the score somewhere around 300 mark. If we make it a bit too defensive you will get to chase under 150 on a green pitch which might end up to be a no competetion. Hopefully we will be able to fix the issues youve mentioned above. Thanks for your update again Jonah, we probably arent very far away from perfecting the patch for ODI and Tests.

 

[sachida]

I am really encouraged to see Ravi making game lot more interesting as I can feel from jonahs feedback. I liked the idea of making lower order brittle and lot more edges. Hopefully they will look more realistic and not that all teams collapse around 200. And edges too should be looking realistic. Last innings I played I found my player being cought by wicket keeper and look at the trajectory of the ball. That looked very very wiered. Hopefully the edges you are introducing dont reproduce such dismissal

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 3 2003, 11:25 AM
Ravi, the edges were a mix of falling short of the slips, going through slips and getting caught, so a good variety.
I didn't get any other wickets by other means...hopefully in future Tests I use your files with I'll get the odd lbw, bowled or caught in the outfield.
The cpu scored at about 3-4 an over..the occasional hit over the top, again pretty good.

Thanks for the latest ODI file. I tried your first ones (bowling, on hard wicket) and the cpu (Aus) made 348/3 :blink: . A little too aggressive for my liking, but others may like it that way. I didn't get any edges , and few mistimed shots. The only wickets I took were in the slog overs, all bowled by yorkers (btw, the cpu doesn't always sweep yorkers, but often plays the straight drive, or 6 hit straight drive. Pretty solid too).
I like the cpu to score between 240-300 , so keeping it realistic,( obviously other ppl may like 320+ as a good cpu total...each to his own ), with some defensive shots and play/misses, edges etc. I suppose it's difficult to have all this and make the cpu bat out it's 50 overs.
I'll try them again, (NOT as Aus!), with your new batting files, over the next few days.

Jonah, I now have a new set of Bowling files for ODI based on your feedback. Guess what? there are enough edges and you can bowl the batsman out with a ball pitched on and around off stump with big swing. Ofcoure you cannot reproduce the ball 50 times in a 50 overs game, you probably can bowl very few times and also you will need to be lucky to get through the defense/shot but its realistic. Also the CPU is now moderately aggressive rather than being overtly aggressive to ensure you dont keep bowling the same line with the same field setting. The CPU will score all over the wicket to ensure there will be a lot to think about in terms of field setting by the Human. CPU batsman is a lot more solid and occassionally hits over the top as well. There are a lot more pronounced edges as well as mistimed shots. Overall it should ensure good totals (270-300) but not the one like 340s on a hard pitch.

I was playing a ODI against India, they slumped to 0/2 in the first over with Shane Bond bowling. Shewag caught by the first slipper diving to his left off the first ball and Tendulkar bowled by a snotter of a delivery in the same over (ball pitched on the middle swung and cut very little, Tendulkar playing the straight drive missed the line completely to be bowled, on a normal pitch with overcast). From then on Gangooly went on to score 126, Yuvraj Singh 56, Dravid 54* and also others contributing a few more ended up scoring 264/6. I enjoyed my bowling and also the comeback by CPU, it frustrated me by hitting through the gap and snatching runs effortlessely. I will send these across to you shortly, Jonah.

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by sachida@Jun 5 2003, 01:21 PM
I am really encouraged to see Ravi making game lot more interesting as I can feel from jonahs feedback. I liked the idea of making lower order brittle and lot more edges. Hopefully they will look more realistic and not that all teams collapse around 200. And edges too should be looking realistic. Last innings I played I found my player being cought by wicket keeper and look at the trajectory of the ball. That looked very very wiered. Hopefully the edges you are introducing dont reproduce such dismissal

Thanks for your feedback Sachida but unfortunately if we try to control the trajectory then the ball might end up over the Wicket keeper head or the slip's head. I might want to check out but its certainly not my priority for now, when the patch is done probably I can have a look at the trajectory as well. Also I will not really be bothered publishing the ODI files given all our preferences are different and would be wasting others' time by getting them to download it when there are already enough ODI patches available. It will probably end up with Jonah and myself given we still are looking foward to making it to suit our style. As per the Test Configs if you have downloaded and played using it, you can let me know if you want me to fix something if need be.

 

[sukku]

ravi y r u not releasing the odi patch ?

plzzzz use the cricket2002 official patch exe in ur patches instead of the original ones.

 

[jonah]

Ravi,
those new files sound excellent. Looking forward to trying them out .
The match you described sounds great. A recovery from 0/2 to 264/6 is a great effort by the cpu. I bet you thought you'd skittle them out for less than 100 ! Do you bowl a regular line/length, or mix it up a little?
Btw, how did you get on in your run chase?

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 6 2003, 11:12 AM
Ravi,
those new files sound excellent. Looking forward to trying them out .
The match you described sounds great. A recovery from 0/2 to 264/6 is a great effort by the cpu. I bet you thought you'd skittle them out for less than 100 ! Do you bowl a regular line/length, or mix it up a little?
Btw, how did you get on in your run chase?

Well I thought I could bowl them out pretty soon but am happy it was not to be. I try to maintain a steady line, good length or short of good length knowing fully well the fuller ones get hit all over the place. I cannot recall what tweak I did, it set the CPU batsman up so well. It picks the length and line really well and the placement most of the times is just outstanding. The fielding constantly needs changing as well as mixing up the line and length. It also doesnt help that it plays all the shots in the book. I try not to bowl too short and keep a fairly steady line. All is well with this patch but for occassional choosing of shots for yorker. Probably if you bowl 20 overs of non stop yorkers you might be able to concede 200 runs and bowl them out. Its quite disappointing but I dont seem to get through this issue at all although I dont bowl yorkers much anyway. I didnt chase that total I started to test but could not put the gamepad down, it was challenging to bowl for sure. This patch has yet again been tried out only on hard and normal pitches, I am more than happy to send it across to you but I suggest you wait till I try this out on damp/green pitches with good bowling conditions as well. There might exist few chinks that might need cleaning out. Have a look at the captures below, Dravid being cleaned out by Mcgrath. Till now I have tried to maintain the same length, line and tried varied swing/cut but have been able to bowl CPU out twice in around 85 overs. The reason is CPU does seem to have several shots in its disposal for a single ball, am sure its not smart enough to learn from the mistake but its just that permutations and combinations seem to come into its rule of deciding what shot to play. I hope this result stays on all pitches and conditions also against all type of bowlers, I will be disappointed if it doesnt. Just wait for a day mate and if the patch is consistent, will send it across for you to review.

 

[crick4life]

Closer look at the same result, the ball missing the bat by a whisker. In the above capture the ball is about to crash onto the middle and off stump, its a bit hard to see in that one.

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by sukku@Jun 6 2003, 05:40 AM
ravi y r u not releasing the odi patch ?

plzzzz use the cricket2002 official patch exe in ur patches instead of the original ones.

Not for any particular reason but just that unless it is far superior than the already available patches I would not look forward to going public.

Also is there any reason you are insisting me to use cricket2002 official patch exe, I installed this on the exe I have but didnt make any kind of difference. Just curious, what is patched in it by EA.

 

[jonah]

Looking good Ravi...can't wait to try them out, particularly as I've got an upcoming ODI series v Pakistan then a triangular v Zimbabwe and SA to play!!
I agree about the yorkers. I too bowl very few; I don't see the fun in bowling yorker after yorker and I like to keep it as realistic as possible. It's something I only resort to if I'm desperate for a wicket, and in recent patches by Zimrahil and yourself, even this ploy doesn't work now <_< !
Have you had a chat with Zim about the configs ,safs? There's no doubt in my mind that you two guys are the forerunners in this department; you two could definately teach EA a thing or two about it!
Send those files on asap, and thanks again ...

 

[crick4life]

Originally posted by jonah@Jun 6 2003, 01:46 PM
Looking good Ravi...can't wait to try them out, particularly as I've got an upcoming ODI series v Pakistan then a triangular v Zimbabwe and SA to play!!
I agree about the yorkers. I too bowl very few; I don't see the fun in bowling yorker after yorker and I like to keep it as realistic as possible. It's something I only resort to if I'm desperate for a wicket, and in recent patches by Zimrahil and yourself, even this ploy doesn't work now <_< !
Have you had a chat with Zim about the configs ,safs? There's no doubt in my mind that you two guys are the forerunners in this department; you two could definately teach EA a thing or two about it!
Send those files on asap, and thanks again ...

Jonah, have you the latest England, Zim, SA and Pak team files with you if you do please send it to me. Also can you send me your cricket2002.exe patched version, I will need to figure out why the patch didnt update my old one. The patch will be on its way shortly Jonah.