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pcfan123
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You know how you don't care about speed guns Sohum? well plenty of people don't care about India Pakistan as a rivalry, let alone programming a world cup to make sure that fixture happens.
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sohum
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If you bothered to read (which you probably didn't since you've complained in the past about posts longer than a few sentences) you'd notice that I wasn't advocating the programming of a World Cup to make sure a fixture happens but that it has been a benefit of a WC to see such rivalries play out during a tournament.
I'm advocating more quality cricket and the ability to watch the best sides play each other. I'm not a fan of calling a team the World Champion when they've not come up against most of the top teams in the world.
The format Syl is advocating, for example, has 4x4 first round followed by QFs. This means that a team can become champions by beating one top opposition in the first round, one in the QFs, one in the semis and one in the finals. Basically, by beating half the number of solid Test nations in the world, you can become the champion.
No format is perfect, if you want to keep the minnows in the tournament then that is the way to reduce the amount of thrashings that happen. And if they happen to make it through to the next round then they will either be eliminated or continue their fairytale run. As I've mentioned most sports use that same setup and I'm more than happy to go with what they do.
sami ullah khan
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Anyone else sick of watching the minnows' thrashing? 
By the time the real thing starts, I will start hating cricket.
By the time the real thing starts, I will start hating cricket.
nelson111
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I think they should have a separate tournament for the "minnows" a month or so before the World Cup with only the top 2 or 4 going through to the real thing.
I agree with most of you, this tournament has been boring and predictable so far.
I agree with most of you, this tournament has been boring and predictable so far.
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Just around 2 weeks, and I am bored. We only have the test nations vanquishing minnows most of the days.
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Only the India-England match was worth watching.
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Only the India-England match was worth watching.
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No Dear Pakistan vs Srilanka too
mohit_dude10
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England vs Netherlands game was quite close too, Actually with any format there are going to be boring games but ICC has planned the matches well. Even with 10 teams format, NZ and WI hardly give any trouble to big teams. So its basically the top 6 that can beat each other on any given day.
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No more a dead rubber with this match over now
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would be well harsh to dump the minnows after the performances.
ok, Kenya have been tripe and sri lanka seem to have a special knack of destroying weaker teams but that is probably the only disparity.
said already, kenya were tripe going into this world cup anyway, had afghanistan or scotland been there that group would have been more competitive.
ok, Kenya have been tripe and sri lanka seem to have a special knack of destroying weaker teams but that is probably the only disparity.
said already, kenya were tripe going into this world cup anyway, had afghanistan or scotland been there that group would have been more competitive.
sohum
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I'm wondering if Kenya are making it to the WC solely on the basis of being a full ODI member. I recall that they used to have an ICC cup back in the day which was basically a WC for associate nations. The winner, runner-up and second runner-up got invited to the WC along with the 10 test nations and Kenya. Is that still how it is run?
I think Kenya should have to qualify to the main event. I mean, they are still relying on Tikolo who's been around forever. Are they actually developing new cricketers there? The same names seem to show up at every WC--Odoyo, the Otieno brothers, etc.
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On a slightly off-topic it seems that perhaps Twenty20 may have helped associate nations as well. Or perhaps it is just the natural development of Netherlands/Ireland? Who would have thought 4 years ago that either of those teams would be scoring in excess of 250 runs? Of course, the pitches probably play a part as well but historically the upsets have all been a result of low-scoring games.
If this sort of development continues, then I think there would be value in having a 4x4 round since the teams would be more or less evenly matched up. I don't know if we are ready for that to happen, though.
I think Kenya should have to qualify to the main event. I mean, they are still relying on Tikolo who's been around forever. Are they actually developing new cricketers there? The same names seem to show up at every WC--Odoyo, the Otieno brothers, etc.
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Fair enough, and I don't think we'll reach any agreement on this topic so I'll drop it. I've presented most of my views, anyways.
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On a slightly off-topic it seems that perhaps Twenty20 may have helped associate nations as well. Or perhaps it is just the natural development of Netherlands/Ireland? Who would have thought 4 years ago that either of those teams would be scoring in excess of 250 runs? Of course, the pitches probably play a part as well but historically the upsets have all been a result of low-scoring games.
If this sort of development continues, then I think there would be value in having a 4x4 round since the teams would be more or less evenly matched up. I don't know if we are ready for that to happen, though.
ferg512
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Well I think most people here along with me, were reffering to Canada and Kenya and maybe the Netherlands. I've said from the start that 12 teams would've been ideal. Ireland are actually a pretty decent team with county pros whereas Canada and Kenya aren't.
I saw someone on CW mention having 12 teams with groups of 2. That would be the best format to satisfy the downsides presented in this thread, as long as the 2 associate nations remain strong. Have the top 8 teams from this WC automatically qualify and the rest play in qualification matches. That gives the associates 4 spots they could grab with a guaranteed 2.
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sohum said:
The ICC Trophy has been scrapped. It has been replaced by the ICC Division 1 and ICC World Cup Qualifiers. All teams in the Division 1 get Full ODI Status for 4 years. At present, we have Ireland, Nederlands, Canada,Kenya , Afghanistan and one more nation in this Division 1.
Your statement about 10 Test teams + Kenya was used until 2003. After that the ICC started the qualifications for 2007 based on Divisional performances.
sohum said:
Twenty20 has had an overall influence on the game, none can deny that. But my theory is says that these nations have truly progressed, and if the ICC wihes to develop the game, Full members ought to play the Associates more often. What is more shocking is the likes of the full members - Bangla, Win, Pak, Nzl ,who do not get many matches, still refuse to play the Associates. Agreed, there is less money, but it may help in their development.
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