The End Of Australian Dominance?

[stefan]

C'mon. A fully fit Lee, Johnson, Clarke, Watson and a containing Hauritz is a very good attack. And in my opinion a few notches better than England's current lineup. Add to that a fantastic, although currently underperforming batting lineup, I would back Aus to comeback strongly in a few months.

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I'd pick Lee over Flintoff anyday, both give their captain's a great element of control, but Flintoff has never really dominated teams in terms of wicket hauls. Brett Lee offers a better striking option.

Lee has lost some pace and doesn't have the skills that freddie has in terms of swinging the ball to compensate for it. Also if you want to look for control Flintoff is the more economical of the two.

 

[m_vaughan]

I do not think it is the end of the Australian dominance. By the end of 2009, I expect them to be back to their best!

 

[Leggie]

A bit harsh from the Aussie Media?

 

[manee]

Mitchell Johnson < James Anderson. Anderson is the far better bowler, Mitch just runs in and actually hurls the ball without doing anything.

Visibly, Anderson is the better bowler, but Johnson delivers whereas Anderson promises a lot but lacks consistency.

Peter Siddle = Stuart Broad. Both rubbish, Broad with the potentail to be a lot better!

Would have to disagree there, Siddle has more potential, imo.

Brett Lee < Andrew Flintoff. Flintoff is the best bowler in the world, Lee has really lost it since he has to spearhead a poor attack.

Would like to see the inform Brett Lee of the 2007/8 Australian season back after he recovers from this foot injury. That Brett Lee = Andrew Flintoff but Flintoff holds the edge as he seems to always deliver with the ball. If he is not taking wickets, he is keeping it very tight.

Stuart Clark > Stephen Harmison. I am actually going to give this to Stuart Clark cos I feel he is an incredibly good bowler and missed sorely by the aussies.

Indeed, most would give that to Clark, but Harmison in England is a very strong bowler. Tbh though, if fit, I'd expect Stuart Clark to clean up in England, especially if we have another summer like last year.

Jason Krezja < Monty Panesar. Kreza was abosultely terrible! Panesar may be in rubbish form but he certainly is a class act with a lot more to come.

Yes, Krejza definately is worse than Monty. Perhaps Krejza is the more potent wicket taker in Asia, but is that really relevant?

Nathan Hauritz < Graeme Swann. Swann is a much better bowler, having watched the aussies face the saffas I don't think Krejza or Hauritz caused a whole lot of trouble. Best plan is to follow the Saffas and play 4 seamers and use clarke more.

Hauritz looked a solid bowler, as does Swann. I'd say that one is too close to call, neither have played enough Test cricket. Both keep it simple in the action and release and I like that.

Phil Jaques < Alastair Cook. Cook is a much more solid batsmen!
Simon Katich = Andrew Strauss. Strauss is just a good as Katich and I like both as characters.
Ricky Ponting > Ian Bell. Ponting is a class batsmen and easily better than bell.
Michael Hussey < Kevin Pietersen. Easy as you like no explanation needed.
Michael Clarke = Paul Collingwood. Different types of batsmen, pretty vs ugly.
Andrew Symonds = Andrew Flintoff. Both claiming to be batting all rounders. Freddie coming back to his best on his day probably better than symo but symo is a good player aswel.
Brad Haddin > Matt Prior. Haddin is probably better but its close.

Would agree with most of them, Hussey and Pietersen is closer than you make out though. Hussey may have the super average, but he may be coming out of that super form he is in after which he'll sink closer his FC average. Symonds is surely a better batsman than Flintoff, Symonds has a Test average of 40.61, something people seem to be forgetting as he steps into poor form. Haddin Vs Prior with the bat is close but I'd have to give it to Haddin, he has looked class against South Africa.

 

[stefan]

I do not think it is the end of the Australian dominance. By the end of 2009, I expect them to be back to their best!

Unless they plan on cloning warne and mcgrath they won't be close to their best for a some time to come.

 

[Cricketdude]

As for batsmen let me pick mine aswell but let me quote yours as I would like to say thank you for creating a new batting line up for us
Phil Jaques < Alastair Cook. Cook is a much more solid batsmen!
Simon Katich = Andrew Strauss. Strauss is just a good as Katich and I like both as characters.
Ricky Ponting > Ian Bell. Ponting is a class batsmen and easily better than bell.
Michael Hussey < Kevin Pietersen. Easy as you like no explanation needed.
Michael Clarke = Paul Collingwood. Different types of batsmen, pretty vs ugly.
Andrew Symonds = Andrew Flintoff. Both claiming to be batting all rounders. Freddie coming back to his best on his day probably better than symo but symo is a good player aswel.
Brad Haddin > Matt Prior. Haddin is probably better but its close.


England; 6
Aussies; 3
Draws; 4

I'll start off(I cant be bothered doing what Manee has done). Cook is NOWHERE near as good as Jaques I could bring the stats out but i'll leave that for later.

Are you blind? Katich is a long way ahead of Strauss. I won't even go into that.

Michael Hussey is a few levels above Pietersen. I think a explanation is needed.

Collingwood is better than Clarke? Don't know where you got that from. I don't think you'll find many people with that opinion.

Symonds is also above Flintoff in batting. Flintoff would not be in the England side if he couldn't bowl. Symonds is in there mainly for his batting.

Now the stats come(test matches because if I went into FC....)
Jaques @47.47 > Cook @42.09
Katich @43.03 > Strauss @42.37 (mind you Katich has been picked a lot but now he's really starting to perform there FC averages are 13 apart)
Ponting @57.20 > Bell @41.27
Hussey @59.04 > Pietersen @50.48
Clarke @48.06 > Collingwood @42.04
Symonds @40.61 > Flintoff @32.23
Haddin @38.77 < Prior@ 40.62(although Haddin's FC average is slightly higher, I would say that's even on stats, also Haddin has only played 11 tests so to early to use stats)

Thats it! England win one.

 

[WORLD CHAMPIONS]

A bit harsh from the Aussie Media?

Actually i am loving the way we are being criticised, this will help us more to play better cricket from next time. I am sure we will going to deliver some great cricket @3rd test.

 

[Themer]

Phil Jaques < Alastair Cook. Cook would be stronger in my opinion more established at test level
Simon Katich = Andrew Strauss. Both pretty even, good openers
Ricky Ponting > Ian Bell. Barely a competition here Ponting hands down.
Michael Hussey < Kevin Pietersen. Pietersen just, Hussey is a great batsman who's better than most of the others in the England team but Pietersen's probably better.
Michael Clarke > Paul Collingwood. Clarke hins this quite easily for me, class batsman
Andrew Symonds < Andrew Flintoff. Symonds batting is better but Flintoffs world class bowling edges it in the Allrounder slot.
Brad Haddin = Matt Prior. Haddin for me proved himself after a poorish start with the bat and is on par with Prior
Mitchell Johnson > James Anderson. Johnson for me, Anderson can be the best in the world on his day but is way too inconsistant.
Peter Siddle > Stuart Broad. Yeah Broad can bat a bit and is a great ODI bowler but what's he done in Tests? Was quite impressed with Siddle in the last test.
Brett Lee < Ryan Sidebottom. Sidebottom just better than Lee in my opinion. Brett Lee seems to have lost a bit of what he had.
Stuart Clark > Stephen Harmison. Clark by miles for me Harmy is really overrated by quite alot of people in my opinion.
Jason Krezja < Monty Panesar. Monty is alot better on my opinion just dreadfully out of form.

Thats my comparison of those who will be in both test teams or around them around the Ashes next year

In mine its 5 for England, 5 for Australia and two draws.

 

[Leicester Fox]

Look these comparisons are pointless. They all mean nothing. It comes down to how they play as a team.

Australia are not that good anymore at the end of the day. Their dominance is over. They will be around the top but right now they are not as good as the 2 best nations. They will have to rebuild and see whether they can get themselves back to the top just by stringing a few series wins together, after all, that's how the Saffies and India are where they are now, by building momentum. 2 Series wins in a row can change everything.

England are also not good enough to be the best. We have the players but they are bottlers. We have 3 players who really stand up when the chips are down and those are KP, Fred and Colly. We then also have Strauss. Bell is a bottler and the bowlers just lack consistency and aren't good enough yet. Weirdly we don't seem to pick the best bowlers from county cricket, we pick the ones who have "potential". A word used to describe half the England team who basically shouldn't be playing.

So Australia will win the Ashes because when it comes to the crucial moments England will choke like we have done so many times before. Then it is up to them to see if they can get back to the top. In the mean time lets all laugh at the Aussies and enjoy the long overdue pain. You know that horrible feeling you get in your stomach every time you think about cricket after a bad result, they deserve that

 

[Precambrian]

Yep. Australian dominance had ended once they got beat in India, now the final punch has been delivered by South Africa. It is similar to Australia beating Windies to take the world crown in 1995.

 

[smssia0112]

The answer is not yet, as long as we keep playing the same old deadweights (Hayden, Lee, Symonds) it's clear we've got improvement to come. It's the same case as when we lost to England - we got rid of Katich, Clarke, Martyn and it had an effect. Now Katich and Clarke are back better than before, and it's time to get rid of Lee, Hayden, Symonds and maybe even Hussey.

We have a strong domestic season, plenty of promising young pace bowlers and batsmen, and I think if we get our best XI on the pitch we will start winning again. You can write the current XI off, but as a nation we've still got a few punches left.

 

[shravi]

This is just an unfortunate (for the Aussies) blip where more than 1-2 players are out of form. I don't think it's the end of their dominance. However, in my opinion, South Africa and India's youth looks a little better so their dominance will end once the 30+ players have retired from all teams. South Africa and India will come out on top.

 

[mattfb]

Phil Jaques < Alastair Cook. Cook would be stronger in my opinion more established at test level
Simon Katich = Andrew Strauss. Both pretty even, good openers
Michael Hussey < Kevin Pietersen. Pietersen just, Hussey is a great batsman who's better than most of the others in the England team but Pietersen's probably better.
Brad Haddin = Matt Prior. Haddin for me proved himself after a poorish start with the bat and is on par with Prior

Thats my comparison of those who will be in both test teams or around them around the Ashes next year

In mine its 5 for England, 5 for Australia and two draws.

LOL thats ridiculous.

Katich broke the record for the most runs in an Australian domestic season last year including a triple ton. Has Strauss done anything like that?

Jaques was one of the best domestic batters, easily in the top 5, for 3 years before he got picked. He constantly won the bat off between him and Rogers and it showed when he started scoring hundreds when he came into the team.

Haddin averages almost 50 in domestic cricket and its the other way around then what your saying. It's more Haddin has showed the player that he actually his after his poorish start. Every aussie knew how devastating he is, and it was great to watch him come out and show everyone when they werent expecting it.

I couldn't believe my eyes when you I saw people think Haddin is equal to Prior, or just a little bit better. I think the English are getting too excited at the fact we have lost a few games.

I love seeing people saying that our dominance is over. We have lost 1 series... wow. It's going to be like how Haddin came out and shocked everyone that didn't know a thing about him. Our domestic players are going to come out and in a few years time show there talent, especially Hily, Bollinger, Hughes and I'm pretty confident in McDonald.

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HAHAHAH Jesus christ your an arrogant SOB!

I was thinking the same thing when I saw your list.

 

[stevo1]

Phil Jaques < Alastair Cook. Cook would be stronger in my opinion more established at test level
Simon Katich = Andrew Strauss. Both pretty even, good openers
Ricky Ponting > Ian Bell. Barely a competition here Ponting hands down.
Michael Hussey < Kevin Pietersen. Pietersen just, Hussey is a great batsman who's better than most of the others in the England team but Pietersen's probably better.
Michael Clarke > Paul Collingwood. Clarke hins this quite easily for me, class batsman
Andrew Symonds < Andrew Flintoff. Symonds batting is better but Flintoffs world class bowling edges it in the Allrounder slot.
Brad Haddin = Matt Prior. Haddin for me proved himself after a poorish start with the bat and is on par with Prior
Mitchell Johnson > James Anderson. Johnson for me, Anderson can be the best in the world on his day but is way too inconsistant.
Peter Siddle > Stuart Broad. Yeah Broad can bat a bit and is a great ODI bowler but what's he done in Tests? Was quite impressed with Siddle in the last test.
Brett Lee < Ryan Sidebottom. Sidebottom just better than Lee in my opinion. Brett Lee seems to have lost a bit of what he had.
Stuart Clark > Stephen Harmison. Clark by miles for me Harmy is really overrated by quite alot of people in my opinion.
Jason Krezja < Monty Panesar. Monty is alot better on my opinion just dreadfully out of form.

Thats my comparison of those who will be in both test teams or around them around the Ashes next year

In mine its 5 for England, 5 for Australia and two draws.

No way is Strauss equal with Katich, Katich is a gun and will only get better while Strauss will fall behind.

Hahaaaahahahah Matt Prior are you kidding? Haddin while just finding his feet will definately improve, Prior won't be any good and the merry go round with English keepers will continue. Even ask Shane Warne what he thinks of Prior

Oh and wait till Jaques gets back from his injury, the passion and the fire will be back and he will pick up where he left off.

 

[aussie_ben91]

Trying to be objective I think Flintoff is slightly better than any Aussie paceman at the moment. Deadly accurate at 85+ mph

His taken 2 5fers in his entire career.

My opinion:

Brett Lee < Stephen Harmison
Stuart Clark < Andrew Flintoff
Peter Siddle > Stuart Broad
Jason Krezja < Monty Panesar
Nathan Hauritz = Graeme Swann

How you can possibly justify Stephen Harmison being better then Brett Lee is beyhond me. Harmison has been rubbish for years whilst this time last year, Lee was considered to be the best fast bowler in the world, even better then Steyn. Lee may of deteriorated but his still far better then Harmison. All I heard before the Indian series from English supporters was how Harmison was back to his best and after the series, they were all disapointed with how he performed. Some things never change, aye?

If you want to go on form then what's happened to Monty Panesar? I thought you all wanted to drop him. You all complain about how he never takes wickets in Tests but when his compared to a player from a different country then you just go on what his acchieved in the past?

Also, as for Hauritz > Swann. You've obviously not seen Swann bowl. He bowled as well as Harbhajan in India, and that's surely testament to his quality. A first class bowling average of 33 compared with Hauritz 47 goes someway to prove his superiority as well. Hauritz has nothing on Swann atm, Swann gets more turn, more bounce, is more experienced, took wickets in India, and he's a better batsman. Hauritz has looked nothing more than distinctly average from what I've seen of him.

First-class averages for spinners in Australia mean jack all. Krezja probably took more wickets in 1 Test against India then Panesar and Swann did combind in 2.