The Silence Of The Lambs Mafia - Endgame - SK (Sulaiman7) WINS

[thedon5]

Except Sulaiman no one can be considered as a newbie here, all have played over 5-6 games. Most experienced would be you and Don. You're already on our side(maybe?) and I don't think Don can standalone manipulate the town considering he's a mafia.

Aye? Bit early for that, isn't it?

Also, Colin using his role now is obviously a huge waste.

I'm always wary of people acting like Zhuorb has just done. Colin has quite the fan club in Mafia, which is what makes it so easy for him to manipulate people.

However, for now you have to trust the claim. It seems reasonable that he would come out now, it makes more sense than keeping it a secret, and it's definitely a signal to the Mafia that they don't have it easy.

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I feel like claiming too since I don't want to be pointlessly killed tonight as I have been recently on night 1s, especially with a role like this.

I'm Ardelia Mapp, the best friend. Just a vanilla townie.

 

[barmyarmy]

Colin has quite the fan club in Mafia, which is what makes it so easy for him to manipulate people

I'm not sure that's entirely true but in all my recent games I face the problem of worried mafia killing me night 1 and worried town trying to lynch me. Pretty sure I've claimed on day 1 before as well.

 

[P Squared]

It would be an incredibly ballsy move by Colin if he was lying, so I think he may be telling the truth, however it is way too early in the game to be calling anyone confirmed town.

And too much is made of experience over here, you can have all the experience in the world but still be crap at mafia, it counts for f*ck all.

 

[barmyarmy]

I feel like claiming too since I don't want to be pointlessly killed tonight as I have been recently on night 1s, especially with a role like this.

I'm Ardelia Mapp, the best friend. Just a vanilla townie.

I'm wary here because slip-streaming into existing claims has been quite an effective mafia tactic before. I would also argue that claiming vanilla on day 1 isn't pro-town behaviour.
The vanilla's job is to argue, challenge and, if need be, die to protect the power roles. By claiming you just make it easier for the mafia to target the PRs.
I know you have to stay alive to win but it does feel like a selfish claim from a town POV. On that basis I'd be very open to the idea that it's a mafia fake-claim.

 

[P Squared]

if need be, die to protect the power roles

No, because he will die, and he won't win the game, which is the objective for everyone here.

Are you indirectly saying that you would find it okay if a vanilla died for you, because I certainly don't find it okay. Everyone's job here is to survive.

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O kay I didnt read the other part

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But still my accusation still stands, it is defo NOT okay for a vanilla to sacrifce himself

 

[Villain]

I'm wary here because slip-streaming into existing claims has been quite an effective mafia tactic before. I would also argue that claiming vanilla on day 1 isn't pro-town behaviour.
The vanilla's job is to argue, challenge and, if need be, die to protect the power roles. By claiming you just make it easier for the mafia to target the PRs.
I know you have to stay alive to win but it does feel like a selfish claim from a town POV. On that basis I'd be very open to the idea that it's a mafia fake-claim.

True that, Don you shouldn't have claimed. As Colin said it makes it easier for the mafias to pick out the PR roles, that's selfish just so the mafias would not try to kill you during the night phase.
Or maybe you do have a power role and fake claiming that you're townie, fair if that's the case.

 

[barmyarmy]

No, because he will die, and he won't win the game, which is the objective for everyone here.

Are you indirectly saying that you would find it okay if a vanilla died for you, because I certainly don't find it okay. Everyone's job here is to survive.

But still my accusation still stands, it is defo NOT okay for a vanilla to sacrifce himself

I'm talking sacrifice in the sense of not claiming. If all the vanillas claimed they wouldn't win anyway cos the mafia would clean up.

 

[P Squared]

Well yeah, I did find that claim a bit strange, I just have a problem when people claim its 'okay' for vanilla's to get killed, just like someone else was doing in the previous game IIRC.

I get your point though, there was no need for him to claim

 

[barmyarmy]

Or maybe you do have a power role and fake claiming that you're townie, fair if that's the case.

There are three possibilities here:
1. He's a town PR fake-claiming.
2. He's mafia fake-claiming
3. He's telling the truth

His character claim is weak in the sense that it's a character someone with a different one could claim. I've fake-claimed before as a town PR (character and role) and I'm possibly doing thedon5 no favors here by flagging this up to the mafia but I think they might have worked it out anyway (plus I'm happy to plant doubt in their minds ).

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Well yeah, I did find that claim a bit strange, I just have a problem when people claim its 'okay' for vanilla's to get killed, just like someone else was doing in the previous game IIRC.

Definitely not. Vanilla is a totally under-rated role and can be the difference between the town winning and losing when used properly. I'm just not sure claiming it on day 1 is using it properly.

 

[surendar]

Senator could be in the game, but cannot be any power role compared to characters present relatively. Only thing which I am not able to believe in Colin's role claim - taking off the lynch after hammer. This is no where related to the lady behind this role. Stressing the importance that he needs to survive and we need to prove our innocence if we need to survive - am not finding any connection.

Picking up the important parts of Senator,

1. Lecter meets her and raise her anger, gives the clue on Bill.
2. Senator tries a smart play to Bill with most kind words of being a human being on TV with attempt to save her daughter from Bill.
3. Various attempts will be discussed in regards of getting Senator's signature for Lecter's agreements/deals.

If Senator is in this game, I would expect Senator to get some information for town if there is a correct lynch placed on Lecter Or, Senator's power to choose someone she thinks as hannibal & roleblock the Lecter.

With regards to Don's claim - I don't see that to be false claim. Clarice's friend is expected to be there as a vanilla townie & she is one of the well received role in this movie too.

As it is only limited set of 7 people - my personalized view on must have roles for this game,

Mafia Role : Bill(Must have), Lecter(Must have - not sure whether he also acts protecting Clarice only like a doc role. may be not)

Power Town : Clarice(Must have), Frederick(Must have - could be doctor), Jack Crawford( probable ) or one of the fellow agent/cop as standby.

Non Power Town Role : Ardelia Mapp(Must have - Clarice's friend), Miggs( Probable - Lecter's frequent referral ), Catherine Martin(Must have - Bill's victim)

Ofcourse Varun's views might be different, but I don't give any importance to Senator with respect to this movie/theme.

FOS : Colin

 

[barmyarmy]

I don't see what could be a more apt role for senator than governor. I think the role is also called politician sometimes and the idea is that you use your power and influence to prevent miscarriages of justice (or allow them depending on how you play it!).
In context I would take it to mean that because the US president takes a personal interest in the case due to my daughter being kidnapped I wield additional power.
This isn't in my role PM; I'm just speculating.

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I'm interested in how quickly you accepted thedon5's claim despite the fact that I and others have consistently said "believe nothing, challenge everything". It feels like a bit of an attempt to move the debate on without looking at the issue in more detail.

As I said before I'm not quite sure how a mafia partnership fits this game; maybe Chilton represents corruption or something. I'm not sure I would be certain of alignment even after some characters claim.
In Hannibal, Clarice ends up with Hannibal so not sure how much we can see her as totally neutral/pro-town.
To some extent Bill and Hannibal are working together (to the extent that Hannibal knows who Bill is) but even then I could see Hannibal having a pro-town role in some way or at some point. Maybe some kind of cop where you either get guilty or kill people.
Interesting setup.

 

[surendar]

Accepted Don's claim because - 'Ardelia mapp' should be in this set up with she being Clarice friend. If you say vanilla it's easy & safe to cc as none can be proved but if you claim as Adrelia, it is sure to backfire you as you cannot false claim. This is where theme knowledge comes into play.

Regarding president claim, I would wait for others on what they say. This isn't White House down theme to prevent injustice, this theme has the least weightage for Senator relatively.

One advantage of this set up, more popular role character claims of this are going to be clean while the least popular roles like 'A standby cop/agent' needs to be assessed carefully.

 

[barmyarmy]

Do we know if the mafia have been given fake claims?

 

[Varun]

Didn't I mention it? They have been.

 

[barmyarmy]

Well that means we can't rely on character claims at all really (which is as it should be I suppose). I remember in a previous game characters who were "definitely town" being mafia fake claims.