The Silence Of The Lambs Mafia - Endgame - SK (Sulaiman7) WINS

[barmyarmy]

I'm not sure why Sulaiman and surendar believed my claim so easily, it could be they're trying to get me onside, or it could be that they're simply evaluating the game well since I know my claim is true. It could also be that they're both vanilla, and using their roles they can guess that mine is true. Not sure which one.

I think the point I've tried to stress is that we should be sceptical at all times of all claims; yours and mine included. It isn't evaluating the game well to not critically appraise claims. Even if your claim is true, and I don't know if it is or not yet, no-one should just accept it without discussion.
As I've said a few times before mafia players like to go under the radar and talk about other players rather than justify themselves. If both Sulaiman and surendar were vanillas that ought to make them more not less suspicious as it leaves one fewer vanilla in the game.
Going back to what I said before the good players are the ones who challenge everything. With fake claims I don't think character or role claiming is going to confirm many people as definite town.

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I mean analysis on the role/characters. Like how Surendar and I did.

I don't see much point analysing the roles. It's a closed setup so Varun can put what he likes in. There are some SK variants with a psychologist rather than a cop and I suppose someone like Barney could be seen as a jailkeeper but as I stressed before we shouldn't think of this as an open setup C7 type game with a theme.

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So, for you Miggs should be in for Barney ?

I don't know who Miggs is. They're not mentioned in the wikipedia article.

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Final thought for now. Chilton is someone who could be anti-town and there is also scope here for individuals, changing alignments and masons (Lector/Clarice?).
The theme doesn't lend to a classic town/mafia setup which is one of the reasons I think there may be some unusual roles around.

 

[Villain]

Watched the film, very nice but in the end I was a little disappointed as I was expecting something very different. All I could think about during the movie is how I think a serial killer would be in this game.

I'm not sure about a two-man Mafia team AND a serial killer, that just wouldn't be balanced IMO. I don't think we can rule out Hannibal as the serial killer and Bill as the sole Mafia member. We will find out tonight.

I tend to agree with Sulaiman that there isn't really any role that makes sense for Miggs. I wouldn't be so sure that Chilton is town as well, or that he is a power role. Crawford is a big character, he has to be in it, surely...

I'm not sure why Sulaiman and surendar believed my claim so easily, it could be they're trying to get me onside, or it could be that they're simply evaluating the game well since I know my claim is true. It could also be that they're both vanilla, and using their roles they can guess that mine is true. Not sure which one.

I can't help but get a little suspicious of Colin's gameplay during the game as well. He seems a bit sensitive in this game. Zhuorb and yash are a bit off for me, but then again they are in most games so it's nothing new. P Squared is looking solid to me.

Anyway, will look further into these things tomorrow.

P Squared is looking solid just coz he said it's fine for the vanilla to claim this early? Then do one thing, mass claim vanillas and get the game tweaked up at a higher level. And we should start lynching the selfish vanillas rather.

 

[thedon5]

P Squared is looking solid just coz he said it's fine for the vanilla to claim this early? Then do one thing, mass claim vanillas and get the game fished up at a higher level. And we should start lynching the selfish vanillas rather.

Why was I expecting this reply from you?

It should be clear from my previous posts that I am not trying to cover my own backside here, if I were labelling Sulaiman and surendar as guaranteed townies because they believed me, then that would be a fair statement, but that is not the case.

Also keep in mind, it's not always what you say, but how you say it too that counts. The frequently impulsive nature of your posts always makes me uneasy about you.

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I think the point I've tried to stress is that we should be sceptical at all times of all claims; yours and mine included. It isn't evaluating the game well to not critically appraise claims. Even if your claim is true, and I don't know if it is or not yet, no-one should just accept it without discussion.
As I've said a few times before mafia players like to go under the radar and talk about other players rather than justify themselves. If both Sulaiman and surendar were vanillas that ought to make them more not less suspicious as it leaves one fewer vanilla in the game.
Going back to what I said before the good players are the ones who challenge everything. With fake claims I don't think character or role claiming is going to confirm many people as definite town.

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I don't see much point analysing the roles. It's a closed setup so Varun can put what he likes in. There are some SK variants with a psychologist rather than a cop and I suppose someone like Barney could be seen as a jailkeeper but as I stressed before we shouldn't think of this as an open setup C7 type game with a theme.

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I don't know who Miggs is. They're not mentioned in the wikipedia article.

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Final thought for now. Chilton is someone who could be anti-town and there is also scope here for individuals, changing alignments and masons (Lector/Clarice?).
The theme doesn't lend to a classic town/mafia setup which is one of the reasons I think there may be some unusual roles around.

Well that goes without saying, hence why I am a bit weary of guys like Sulaiman, surendar and Zhuorb who so quickly accepted our claims.

I don't know why, but for me the reason Sulaiman is clearing me looks significant. I think he knows something, and he himself is a townie, possible Barney. Then again it could just be an intelligent play by a Mafia member to try and clear a character he will fake claim with later on. Hard to judge on day 1.

I think masons is definitely a great shout, would make a lot of sense. Agreed about Chilton too, that guy pissed me off intensely. His involvement in the ending was rather pleasing to me.

Miggs is in the cell next to Hannibal at the start of the film, he taunts Clarice and helps to portray that "creepy asylum" sort of atmosphere.

 

[P Squared]

P Squared is looking solid just coz he said it's fine for the vanilla to claim this early?

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that

 

[surendar]

I don't know who Miggs is. They're not mentioned in the wikipedia article..

I say, This is where you manipulated senator wrongly thinking she is a typical president roles! Your taking off lynch ability after hammer is your own thought process. You saw senators doctor being kidnapped in reference article & got the meaning of senator and you came out with claim.

Why I accepted Don's claim? I see the probability of Adrelia mapp to very negligible as fake claim role. She is sure to be in this game like Catherine when comes to powerless town role.

 

[P Squared]

Why I accepted Don's claim? I see the probability of Adrelia mapp to very negligible as fake claim role. She is sure to be in this game like Catherine when comes to powerless town role.

On the flip side, Varun could fearsome tweak with us all and not include supposedly important roles.
Point is you cannot go about accepting people's claims just because they've claimed a (supposedly) important role, in a closed setup like this they may not even be in the game.

 

[surendar]

As I said I was extrapolating from the role. I think you'll find that roles and characters are quite often shoe-horned together though. Look at the last game I ran; David Bowie as a faith healer, David Attenborough as a poisoner.
The theme is just flavour and as the game mod you use any small thing you can to justify giving a role to a character.
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Theme is flavor I agree but there cannot be loose link with abilities. It should be related. I was fine with senator but like I am repeatedly saying - your role power that you have mentioned to prevent injustice only suits in whitehouse down theme & not here. I cannot be Adrelia mapp & be a cop just because she is one of the agents too.

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On the flip side, Varun could mobile with us all and not include supposedly important roles.
Point is you cannot go about accepting people's claims just because they've claimed a (supposedly) important role, in a closed setup like this they may not even be in the game.

Well I know my role, looking at the way Varun sent it - I can foresee him having good knowledge over the roles he is mentioning. I agree that his views might be different but I cannot see him going wrong with weightage to the roles assigned.

 

[Villain]

Don't put words in my mouth, I never said that

Misread your previous post buddy.
What I meant was, your post indirectly means that he did nothing wrong by claiming as you said it's an individual win not an alignment win and it is ok for the vanilla not to sacrifice for the PRs. I agree with that, it's completely fine but was it right for Don to claim a vanilla that early? Okay if he doesn't want to sacrifice but that's an anti town move.

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Why was I expecting this reply from you?

It should be clear from my previous posts that I am not trying to cover my own backside here, if I were labelling Sulaiman and surendar as guaranteed townies because they believed me, then that would be a fair statement, but that is not the case.

Also keep in mind, it's not always what you say, but how you say it too that counts. The frequently impulsive nature of your posts always makes me uneasy about you.

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Well that goes without saying, hence why I am a bit weary of guys like Sulaiman, surendar and Zhuorb who so quickly accepted our claims.

I don't know why, but for me the reason Sulaiman is clearing me looks significant. I think he knows something, and he himself is a townie, possible Barney. Then again it could just be an intelligent play by a Mafia member to try and clear a character he will fake claim with later on. Hard to judge on day 1.

I think masons is definitely a great shout, would make a lot of sense. Agreed about Chilton too, that guy pissed me off intensely. His involvement in the ending was rather pleasing to me.

Miggs is in the cell next to Hannibal at the start of the film, he taunts Clarice and helps to portray that "creepy asylum" sort of atmosphere.

It's frustrating to see that you still don't think it was a wrong move by claiming this early, alright it's upto you mate. But seriously, how is that helping town in any possible way? Could you explain it please?

 

[P Squared]

Well I know my role, looking at the way Varun sent it - I can foresee him having good knowledge over the roles he is mentioning.

Varun having a good knowledge about the movie/roles has nothing to do with it, my point is he could have done it deliberately to confuse us.

 

[surendar]

Okay I got what you are saying.

How many of us here believe 'taking off the lynch ability after hammer to avoid injustice' is a genuine claim for a senator in silence of the lambs?

 

[thedon5]

Okay I got what you are saying.

How many of us here believe 'taking off the lynch ability after hammer to avoid injustice' is a genuine claim for a senator in silence of the lambs?

Now that you mention it, I'm not so sure. The senator's role is so insignificant.

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In the film that is.

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Definitely a pointless claim, but if I'm being completely honest here after seeing just how misled the town was last game, I feel I would be of more use as a cleared townie. Call it selfish if you want, but I am no bomb to sacrifice myself at night, I'm ready to contribute early on, and like the rest of you, I want to win. Also, this allergy to claiming that PC games seems to have won't do the town any good.

Here you go yash. I'm not in the mood for this charade where people go after me for strange reasons and I think I'm more valuable to the town as a confirmed (or close to it) townie.

The claim has also proved invaluable in advancing day 1 discussions, it has invoked a response out of everyone so far, and I like to analyse the reaction to such things as claims to aid in my scumhunting. I'm sure others feel the same.

 

[barmyarmy]

Okay I got what you are saying.

How many of us here believe 'taking off the lynch ability after hammer to avoid injustice' is a genuine claim for a senator in silence of the lambs?

That was clearly me para-phrasing and explaining the role. As I also said you can take the lynch off someone who is guilty.
The role isn't about justice; it's about power.
The idea being I suppose that a US senator has the same kind of power as a state governor. It made perfect sense to me when I got the role so I think you're splitting hairs incorrectly here.

Again speculating but it seems clear to me that the president taking a personal interest in the case due to my daughter being kidnapped implies that he can grant a presidential pardon if he (or I) feel that the wrong person has been lynched.
I really don't get why you have such an issue with the role. I read the book quite a few years ago but I don't see how Senator Martin is a more peripheral character than people like Miggs, Barney or Ardelia.

 

[surendar]

Now that you mention it, I'm not so sure. The senator's role is so insignificant.

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In the film that is.

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Exactly what I have been mentioning all these pages! Just wondered why its only me to feel that way.

 

[thedon5]

Exactly what I have been mentioning all these pages! Just wondered why its only me to feel that way.

It is true, but in the end, Colin has a point. The same can be said about Barney, Ardelia and Miggs.

The difference I see though (someone may have said this already), Barney, Ardelia and Miggs are completely unimportant characters to the extent that they'd be perfect for the role of a vanilla townie. For a PR you'd expect pretty much just important characters.

 

[surendar]

I really don't get why you have such an issue with the role. I read the book quite a few years ago but I don't see how Senator Martin is a more peripheral character than people like Miggs, Barney or Ardelia.

Colin, you tell me how you expect us to believe when,

1) you stated you don't know miggs as its not mentioned in wiki link.
2) Now you said you read book & you are claiming senator has peripheral role over miggs.

Both contradicts.