The Silence Of The Lambs Mafia - Endgame - SK (Sulaiman7) WINS

[barmyarmy]

Colin - your repetitive style of pushing me into mafia category( like 'now someone ask for timeline extend to prove as town', 'how can be clarice be town if she lives with Hannibal in sequel' etc ) is getting you nowhere. This is typical mafia behavior and I can sense it well because its the same gameplay I did against Don in last game. You look mafia in all ways, even if I try to put Sulaiman/Zuhorb as mafia combo, I am not able to get evidence like you have built it for yourself.

More highly selective posting (as well as incorrect and out-of-context para-phrasing). In my last several posts I have said that you could be mafia and we should be aware of that but there is also the possibility that you're a townie playing badly and I want to focus on other people for now instead.

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The governor will probably a fake-claim, because of my theory earlier.

Link please.

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PS and Don are very clear in my books here. Would agree with Don on no separate need of doctor here as Lecter is always supporting Clarice in theme from start to end.

Once again you're happy to clear someone based on nothing who themself admits they have to be a suspect because of their character and role.
I repeat you're either mafia or a very bad town player. Either way you're not helping us at present.

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'If Hannibal is investigated I will get to know the name of the killer' - this one It is hard to accept as, even me(as a cop) will get only a clue on Bill that I am supposed to solve it & should not discuss/reveal directly( on what clue I got ) here but I can hint indirectly and lynch him after solving the clue. So you stating that you would get the direct name of Bill is hard to believe.

Both of you are claiming that if Hannibal is investigated you will get the clue/name of Bill? That is very strong "don't kill me because" play.
Also why is it Suren that your role seems to overlap both Yash's (cop) and Zhuorb's claimed one (get info on Bill)?
Something not right here.

 

[ved_]

Umm, I bought the theory because it worked along with the theme of the movie. I am certainly not looking for any reason to side with surendar. Anybody could believe it. I have my own reasons for it too. My PM stated that I'd get the name of the killer if Hannibal lecter is investigated by someone. Now I think that if there were one cop, Varun would've probably said that I'd get the name of the killer if the cop investigates him. That particular wording made me think.

Very keen to lynch barmyarmy? Hell no. I just stated that if he is the governor, then when we lynch him he can overturn to someone else. Or atleast that's what I thought, because this particular strategy is used on many setups in epicmafia.

I believed Colin very easily? Jeez you guys take everything out of hand. IT WAS THE ONLY CLAIM AT THE TIME lol. Now when you have 0 claims in the game, and someone comes up and claims governor(bolded for a reason), I'd normally think it is legitimate. Why? Because gov is UnCC'able, like I said. Or atleast on epicmafia(once again, I didn't know he couldn't OT off himself).

What you look at as 'taking sides' is what I look at as trying to contribute. I am very keen to discuss power roles, because I do not believe that there would be 4/5 PRs in a town. That would seriously screw with the balance of the game. Sure there may be one mafia in all the vanilla claims, but I don't think that there are 2 mafia in these.

This.

 

[thedon5]

I'm seeing a lot of creeping from Sulaiman7, you going to add something? A lot has happened since your last post. Or are you too busy posting in the Mafia QT?

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Both of you are claiming that if Hannibal is investigated you will get the clue/name of Bill? That is very strong "don't kill me because" play.
Also why is it Suren that your role seems to overlap both Yash's (cop) and Zhuorb's claimed one (get info on Bill)?
Something not right here.

Hmm, that is a very, very good point.

The Mafia made a great decision by killing yash. This could've been cleared up in an instant if we knew what result yash got yesterday.

If this were the case, then surendar would be Mafia and I'd pick P Squared as his partner, possibly Sulaiman too. Then again, I am still a fan of the two cops theory as it fits in with the plot so well.

But this is what makes it so hard. There are so many permutations, we have heard possible Mafia combinations of pretty much everyone here.

 

[Sulaiman7]

I'm seeing a lot of creeping from Sulaiman7, you going to add something? A lot has happened since your last post. Or are you too busy posting in the Mafia QT?

Wait, does this mean that there are 2 mafias ? if there's one, why will he post something in the QT as he's alone ? This is fishy.

 

[ved_]

^ what? I think we established the fact that there are 2 mafia roles eons ago.
Btw isn't talking in the mafia QT banned during the day? It was in the previous game..

 

[Sulaiman7]

Colin definitely picked up on your soft claims.

Then again, soft claiming is something I haven't seen Sulaiman do in the past.

Ahem ?

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Haven't I just been putting Barney in since the start of the day ?

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This is what makes me think one of these main characters may actually just be a fake claim, even Clarice maybe.

Without Clarice, that movie is nothing. I mean that was the leading role there and even here. Clarice is definitely not a fake-claim.

 

[thedon5]

^ what? I think we established the fact that there are 2 mafia roles eons ago.
Btw isn't talking in the mafia QT banned during the day? It was in the previous game..

You always are, one game does not change the whole rule of the forum.

Sulaiman just seems quite clueless to me to say the least.

Also, Sulaiman, those two posts of mine which you have quoted aren't a contradiction...

My point is that in previous games you haven't soft claimed, but you have done so here, either you have added it to your game, or you have been told to do so by a Mafia partner. Soft claiming means very little in a game where you are given a fake claim from the start.

I'm not so sure about Clarice 100% not being a fake claim. It's most likely true, but clearly Varun has stated multiple times how knowledge of the theme is not essential. It would make sense that one of the major characters turns out to be a fake claim, as it merely shows how we have to focus on gameplay rather than plot. It could be there to ensure that the town are basing their suspicions off the right aspects of the game.

 

[surendar]

More highly selective posting (as well as incorrect and out-of-context para-phrasing). In my last several posts I have said that you could be mafia and we should be aware of that but there is also the possibility that you're a townie playing badly and I want to focus on other people for now instead.

It is not selective posting or selective post quoting. My note on you is on your whole behavior(posting) since day 1. You are being repetitive in insisting/trying to find reasons of justifications. It is very odd & you are being repetitive in point of me investigating you which has looked even more odd. I have been repeating this like broken radio without doubts.

Once again you're happy to clear someone based on nothing who themself admits they have to be a suspect because of their character and role.
I repeat you're either mafia or a very bad town player. Either way you're not helping us at present.

I cleared PS based on my investigation & Don looks to be more town read than others. What problem do you see in this?

Both of you are claiming that if Hannibal is investigated you will get the clue/name of Bill? That is very strong "don't kill me because" play.
Also why is it Suren that your role seems to overlap both Yash's (cop) and Zhuorb's claimed one (get info on Bill)?
Something not right here.

I anticipated 2 cops even on Day 1. Only thing I didn't expect was - Crawford being an active cop. So if you ask me why there are 2 cops, it is not a surprise as per theme that perfectly fits. I don't see any reason why we should not have.

And for Zhuorb's claim - that is the same thing which I questioned him and you are asking me back the same? If a person is claiming to have protected me, if I am a mafia - I would have shadowed it to build my side stronger. Wouldn't have questioned back at him with suspects.

I find that hard to believe too. However, I don't think it's something Zhuorb has just added in there - I feel it's very much a part of his role or his fake claim. I am not sure what the fake claims are like, but if they're elaborate like the actual roles with image and all, then it makes sense.

I'm not sure why Mafia would try and protect Clarice, i.e. a town member. Can you explain this further.

That was more of me thinking of being a possibility like I mentioned.

Earlier, I thought about this after day 2 write up, but I also discounted it as it isn't sounding logical for mafia to play a doc role. But however, I want to bring it up as it could be true if this is purely subjective.

 

[Varun]

To clarify, what I mean is that to play this game effectively and intelligently, you do not need the theme. Knowing everything about movie/book is not essential, although definitely helpful, as we can see it has proved to be, in generating discussion et al. The minimal knowledge that you require is in your role PMs. Knowledge of theme obviously lets you work the game out more, but it may not be required. It need not necessarily mean that I would've worked contradictory to theme to render it unnecessary, although I won't deny it entirely.

 

[surendar]

Eh. I think that referred to the part where Chilton records Clarisse's conversation with Lecter.
Mafia can kill me, but they cannot kill my target, because I'd be on him tonight. I never said that I'd be surviving this night.
On a side note, the game will be decided this day. If a mafia is lynched off it'd be a pretty dick move to kill me. Just saying.

Could be true, but I still cannot believe it because - I need to resolve the riddle to get info on Bill. What if I resolve it wrong? You getting correct name of killer with me resolving it wrong and going after wrong person doesn't fit hand in hand.

Meaning, not by theme itself,but by mafia gameplay itself - doc will have killer's name but cop will have wrong name? Something fishy I am finding here.

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Without Clarice, that movie is nothing. I mean that was the leading role there and even here. Clarice is definitely not a fake-claim.

You said, my claim is not true during start of day. Now you jumped completely other-way. Did I miss any post of yours.

 

[ved_]

If you're cop, and if you investigate the person with the role of Hannibal Lecter, I will get to know the name of the killer. That's it.

 

[barmyarmy]

It is not selective posting or selective post quoting.

It is and here's why.
The Clarice quote was to illustrate that even though you're using your character to claim you are town that it's more complex than that. Clarice falls in love with Lector and that influences her actions to the point of breaking the law to help him escape. Of course I know this is Silence of the Lambs but the point stands that you can't expect us to accept that you're town through and through firstly because there are fake claims around but secondly because it isn't that simple.
The point about asking for the day to be extended was that you made that point in all seriousness as an argument that showed you are town. That is really scraping the barrel. You've also conveniently ignored the fact that I claimed on day 1 and generated most of the posting activity which, according to you, ought to confirm me as town as well.
You appear to be trying to play this game from a guidebook or something. It isn't that simple.
The sooner you realise that and stop labelling people as definitely town or definitely mafia the better. We need to lynch right today and you're really not helping at the moment.

 

[thedon5]

Night 1​

Waiting, waiting, waiting....

-X-​

"You know, I have met a lot of detectives, but I must say I can't ever remember one as attractive."

-X-​

"YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT PAIN IS!"

-X-​

It was all over in the newspapers. The head of the FBI Behavioral Science Unit found dead. His terminally ill wife would be uncared for now. WHAT was he is doing in Ohio though?!

@yashdude101 is dead. He was:



It is now Day 2. With 6 alive, it requires 4 for a lynch.

I just remembered I forgot to analyse the write-up.

Not sure what the first paragraph means.

The second paragraph suggests the presence of Chilton. He is speaking to Clarice. Zhuorb saved surendar... Unless this is some sort of Mafia role that Chilton is performing, but as the next paragraph tells us, that would mean no Lecter...

Third is just Buffalo Bill, probably making a kill or performing some role.

I find the bolded part interesting. Buffalo Bill was in found in Ohio by Clarice. This to me suggests maybe Crawford was sane, and that means perhaps the two-cop theory doesn't work, as for that, the write-up should have mentioned that Crawford was in Illinois. This suggests maybe Clarice isn't in the game, as Crawford knows what he's doing?

So I'm not sure what to make of it. The second paragraph suggests both Chilton and Clarice are in the game and that Zhuorb is telling the truth, that clears Zhuorb and surendar and therefore P Squared too, making Colin and Sulaiman Mafia.

But then the final paragraph suggests perhaps Clarice isn't even in the game? That would make surendar and P Squared Mafia.

The only conclusion I can take from this is that perhaps Zhuorb is actually telling the truth and is just playing town badly.

 

[P Squared]

Okay I'll just give a quick read I have on everyone right now
Colin- Leaning town atm
Surender- His play hasn't been good so far but I don't think he's mafia

That leaves thedon, Zhurob and Sulaiman and neither have done anything overtly suspicious imo(which makes it so much harder lol), but I'll have to read through the thread more carefully before I make any final judgement.

But I defo think that 2 of them are mafia. I'll tell more after I read the thread thoroughly.

No-one is confirmed though, not with fake claims floating around

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And to everyone bandying about Surender and me as a team, if we really were a team then I don't think he would have made it so glaringly obvious by clearing me through a cop result. That would be terrible play. So really all those conclusions that you're all drawing that if he turns out mafia then I'm one too don't hold much water. In fact if he really were mafia then I suspect that it's a good tactic to frame me, which is why I don't think it's as cut and dry as that.

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Haven't I just been putting Barney in since the start of the day ?

If anything you've overdone it a bit, I did find that a bit sus

 

[barmyarmy]

Right I promised my thoughts after others had posted theirs.
My FOS was on Zhuorb, thedon5 and Sulaiman.

Thedon does seem to be playing in a pro-town way but as I said before that can't be enough to clear him at this stage.
Zhuorb has set my radar off a few times with his posts and as we know his character is quite an ambivalent one as far as good/evil goes.
Sulaiman has made some very strange posts, including what look like mafia tells but could also be newbie errors. I think he would be the lowest risk lynch right now as he seems to appear on most people's FOS lists. If it wasn't LyLo (which we think it is) I would have less hesitation about lynching him off.

It really would be useful to understand the game setup. We're still talking in terms of mafia vs town but, as I said before, this theme lends itself to individuals, alignment switching and masons. In terms of characters it's hard to imagine a suitable pairing though:
Bill and Hannibal - they're never working together
Chilton and Bill - you could argue that by undermining the investigation he is helping Bill but it doesn't feel right
Hannibal and Clarice - this one has legs in terms of the fact we know they fall in love but for Silence of the Lambs. Not sure.
Clarice and Crawford - disproved by Crawford coming up town

I think we really need to try and get a handle on the game and how it works before we lynch here. Especially because if there isn't a two person team of some kind then it isn't actually MyLo.

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ETA substitute Bill/Lector for any of the "safe" claims to get who could be working together. For example Clare Martin could be a fake claim for Bill. Barney for Hannibal etc