The Subcontinental Issue!

[Insomniac]

My opinion is this:

The forum isn't fixable. It's just come to the point that the posters that made this site what it is are gone - duffy for example.

And a bunch of others - either accept it for what it is, or leave. I mean what else can you do?

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

First part was suggested by Sohum (100 Sec timer thing). And the second part would make the people read the rules.


I'm reminding the people who are saying "Tendulkar related threads are useless" that even there are few other things/events which went on at PC, which were no way related to many of the people.


Even Sachin Tendulkar is an icon for many many people of India (Not just India, many places of World). And its not that I don't like Ashes/anything else, even I respect The Ashes. When they have that much of things going on for Ashes, why not for Sachin Tendulkar?


I din't say that all that racism thingy and even I din't ask the total world to rotate around India. And TBH, I don't mind if PC Ashes go on or not. I was pointing that there were some events at PC, which were held only for "Some people" cause some of those "Some people" are saying that SC people are ruling forum with useless Sachin Tendulkar threads and rules are biased for SC people.

I somewhat agree to him

Ashes is discussed all over the forums, can understand it's a historical series, but people here on PC would not like Sachin Tendulkar but he is too a big part of Cricket's Present as well as will be Cricket's history.

Hope no body gets me wrong but this is true.

Stop discussing Ashes in each and every thread.See the I am leaving thread..

people post Be back by Ashes.. Come back whenever you want who is asking you?

Sachin Tendulkar was discussed on in KBC thread where only a question on him was asked and it was a pretty stupid question

Changes or no Changes...

Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar will be discussed by the Indians and others who like him here on Planet Cricket as this is a Cricket forum and not General Talks forum.

If Cricket is being discussed and if there is a relation to him then he will be discussed

 

[ZoraxDoom]

Even Sachin Tendulkar is an icon for many many people of India (Not just India, many places of World). And its not that I don't like Ashes/anything else, even I respect The Ashes. When they have that much of things going on for Ashes, why not for Sachin Tendulkar?


I din't say that all that racism thingy and even I din't ask the total world to rotate around India. And TBH, I don't mind if PC Ashes go on or not. I was pointing that there were some events at PC, which were held only for "Some people" cause some of those "Some people" are saying that SC people are ruling forum with useless Sachin Tendulkar threads and rules are biased for SC people.

Okay, firstly, you are wrong. Sachin is not an icon in many places of the World. He only has demi-God status in India. He is highly respected in other cricketing communities, but is nowhere as popular or has revered as you seem to think.

Secondly, the Ashes is a series between 2 teams. Sachin Tendulkar is a single person. How on Earth can you compare discussion between the two. The Ashes should naturally have more discussion because it involves 22 different players, 5 test matches, and hundreds of years of history (Not to mention 100s of players who have featured in the Ashes). It is a part of English and Australian culture.

Sachin Tendulkar is a single cricketer. One person. Sure you can discuss the records he's broken, or how he preforms in different countries/situations. or that he's in the best form of his life or...well really, that's about it. There is really nothing else you can talk about when it comes to a single cricketer. But most of you members clearly insist in bringing up Sachin Tendulkar up in nearly every thread and debate you possibly can. Max Dillon's 'Too Much Talent for a Single Person' was borderline insane, as was RDF's 'Sachin, are you God in disguise?'. What the hell? And the thread saying Sachin topped the world rankings - so what? Did any other batsman get a thread for when they topped the world rankings? No. Then why is Sachin special? It's not like he topped the world rankings for 3 years in a row or reached the highest points total ever. He just reached number 1. Dozens of batsmen have done that.

Which is why people are pissed off at all of you. You have no perspective. How can discussion regarding the Ashes and discussion regarding Sachin Tendulkar be even remotely proportional? Why is Sachin more news-worthy than other cricketers? Just because there are more Indian fans on these forums than any other sort?



Then you bring in the Cricsim PC Ashes. That was a PCCL Event. Held during the actual Ashes. Yes only Aussies and Brits got to feature, but that's because only Aussies and Brits play the Ashes, and it's one of, if not THE biggest cricketing event. Possibly only second to the World Cup.

And your rationalising doesn't make sense. 'There is PCCL Ashes for Aussie/Brits, therefore there should be Sachin threads for the SC members.' That makes no sense. As I said before, the Ashes is a tournament, Sachin is a human being. The PCCL Ashes is interactive and let's the members of the forum re-enact Ashes sledging and banter and fun on the forums, what on Earth is a whole lot of Sachin threads supposed to do? Sachin is not a cult or a religion, yet you make him sound like one. That you need a bunch of threads on the forum where you can go and gush and praise about him like it's some sort of daily ritual. Or, as the brits here put it, a place for you to ████ over him.

Seriously, get some perspective.

 

[Covvy]

Maybe have a secret sub-forum for all the 'higher' members. Something that at least 2 staff members invite you into. It can be a place for all the quality members to discuss cricket properly.

 

[Ollie_H]

When they have that much of things going on for Ashes,

Last time I checked there was only one thread on the Ashes, not several ones all containing the same thing.

Ollie_H added 6 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

people post Be back by Ashes

Yeah that's because the members that are leaving are batting for either Australia or England. They're not coming here to talk about 'Sachin Ramesh Tendulkar' are they? Jesus.

Ollie_H added 4 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

Seriously, get some perspective.

I think Zorax has just nailed the problem on the head. Some of the SC members, have no perspective other than what they think, probably because they are so young, but even Binnu doesn't have any common sense.

It's the blinkered fans that really are annoying many of the other members, sure there are people non-SC who are blinkered as well, but they seem to just be one or two people, not the majority of the demographic. Then of course there is the flip-side, many of the SC members do not have these blinkers and then can appreciate other things and not just Tendulkar.

 

[drainpipe32]

Maybe have a secret sub-forum for all the 'higher' members. Something that at least 2 staff members invite you into. It can be a place for all the quality members to discuss cricket properly.

A bit late there mate

 

[barmyarmy]

I'm going to add some thoughts to this which people should feel free to disagree with.
A lot of members start out poorly not knowing how the forum works, what we expect and how to be a good member. A lot, not all, of those members subsequently go on to become respected and valued contributors. I've been here long enough to remember when some people were demanding perma-bans for members like Zorax, Kshitiz and sk8ter on the grounds that they were spammers who would never improve.

Maybe it does take subcontinental members longer to reach that point but I've always believed we should be tolerant of others and extend them our help especially if English isn't their first language. I'm reminded of a Jefferson quote:
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
It isn't our place to proscribe what people can and do talk about providing that they do it in a civilised way. It's very easy to simply ignore a thread if you have no interest in it rather than to take the time to post in it expressing that.

I am concerned by some of the reps and VMs I have seen; I'm also concerned by the notion that it is "us and them". As many members have commented already generalisations and stereotypes are not helpful and it is everyone's job to help members' improve regardless of where they are from.
That got me thinking how do we help members to improve if we want to avoid threads being full of negative comments from others - "wrong thread", "don't spam", "no txt spk". I know it's an unsatisfactory answer but it has to be done via reporting the bad posts and modelling good posts yourself. We can only expect new members to reach a high standard of posting if we ourselves try to exemplify that in our posts.

Perhaps my position is unique not only as someone who has been here so long and seen the progression members make but also as someone whose professional career is based on the premise that everyone can better themselves. In teaching we talk about creating the positive environment where learning can take place and here we all need to create the positive environment where high quality discussion can take place.

 

[Varun]

Exactly Colin.
Even though I'm an SC member, I've been desperately trying to improve my post quality, which has indeed helped me improving my personality in real-life.

The only problem comes when people like AP, refuse to accept that their posts are ████, they don't want to improve.

 

[Manly]

^ Exactly. Ignorance is what is pissing the majority of us off. I'm quite tolerant in the real world, but the fact that some members don't for all the world appear to want to improve really gets my goat.

 

[Highlander999]

I'm going to add some thoughts to this which people should feel free to disagree with.
A lot of members start out poorly not knowing how the forum works, what we expect and how to be a good member. A lot, not all, of those members subsequently go on to become respected and valued contributors. I've been here long enough to remember when some people were demanding perma-bans for members like Zorax, Kshitiz and sk8ter on the grounds that they were spammers who would never improve.

Maybe it does take subcontinental members longer to reach that point but I've always believed we should be tolerant of others and extend them our help especially if English isn't their first language. I'm reminded of a Jefferson quote:
"But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are twenty gods or no God. It neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg."
It isn't our place to proscribe what people can and do talk about providing that they do it in a civilised way. It's very easy to simply ignore a thread if you have no interest in it rather than to take the time to post in it expressing that.

I am concerned by some of the reps and VMs I have seen; I'm also concerned by the notion that it is "us and them". As many members have commented already generalisations and stereotypes are not helpful and it is everyone's job to help members' improve regardless of where they are from.
That got me thinking how do we help members to improve if we want to avoid threads being full of negative comments from others - "wrong thread", "don't spam", "no txt spk". I know it's an unsatisfactory answer but it has to be done via reporting the bad posts and modelling good posts yourself. We can only expect new members to reach a high standard of posting if we ourselves try to exemplify that in our posts.

Perhaps my position is unique not only as someone who has been here so long and seen the progression members make but also as someone whose professional career is based on the premise that everyone can better themselves. In teaching we talk about creating the positive environment where learning can take place and here we all need to create the positive environment where high quality discussion can take place.

Considering we are going to be honest Colin, I feel I should post my honest opinion and frankly I disagree with you.

Back in the days when I was a staff member, we both know I was very heavy handed on the 07 forum and a few other places. I know you are very liberal in your views on people and re-forming them but there were times when I would deal with someone only to find them back a few days/week later mainly because one of the admins (yes I think you are all too liberal ) had let them back in. I know I used to get wound up in the staff forum and post my rants but that is what made me quit in the end because I felt that I was there trying to get rid of the type of members PC doesn't want and I felt I was almost being undermined plus the fact that I felt under-supported by fellow mods as there really wasn't enough activity by staff members which I still feel is the case ranging all the way up to the admins. I fully appreciate staff members have lives outside of PC, but it is a commitment to help out and if you aren't going to do it, you shouldn't be a staff member. I really feel for the likes of Sureshot as he seems to be taking up all the slack since Matt quit.

Anyway, going back to my original point. I disagree with what you say about people improving. That RPHKR guy or whatever he is called was dealt with me numerous times and he is still here acting up. End of the day no matter what people say, there are a few members who yes, they might get better in the long run, but I really doubt PC will suffer in the long-run if we lose 10-20 idiots if it means a sensible, mature forum again right now. That is mainly down to the fact that we constantly have good intelligent people reguarly joining, i.e. dutchad, CG123, Varun are just a couple of the top of my head. Heck I'll start checking PC daily again if that's the case and I'm sure a few of the older guys who have gone inactive will come back. By building for the future (one way to put it) and letting a lot of stuff slide, all you do is piss off the people who are here at the present and have helped contribute and improve the site. You give the example of people like Kshitiz improving, but how many quality members have left silently which we never knew about because they were fed up? The likes of Kev are a prime example of that as I still speak to him on MSN.

I'd just like to add, I don't have anything against the Indian members here, or even Yuvraj Singh surprsingly enough but it is fact that the problem stems because of stupid members who are Indian. You can keep on saying you will help improve them, lead by example and all that crap. I'll bet that you and the rest of the staff won't have the time and the members will get pissed off and in a few months time we will be right back here again. Because to be brutally honest. You say if we all post well and "lead by example" the idiots will change. I highly doubt some of the idiots who post all this crap really give 2 hoots what we say. AngryPixel is a good example, you might as well not reply to him cause he ain't gonna listen.

Anyway my 2 cents on it all, I know the admins won't like it, but like you said it's time to be open and honest about all this.

 

[Aditya]

Some Indian members just don't think of improving. When I joined pc I was hardly a good poster but I tried to improve my post quality. I am still not a very good poster but I guess I am still a little better than what I was when I joined PC. Not only me, any Indian or SC member can improve his post quality. It's not just about improving yourself on a forum but this improvement does make a big difference in your life as well.

Not all the SC members are irritating and have no hope of improving. There are some members who have the ability to improve their post quality. They just need a bit of guidance and once they get a bit of guidance then I am sure we will have some quality posters from SC.

 

[AbhishekS]

I agree.

Don't feel bad Adi, but you were an absolute noob when you joined. Stupid talks and nonsensical discussions were all you did.

But now, you have improved and improved like hell. I don't think anyone will disagree if I say that you are one of the finest members on PlanetCricket today.

You personally are the best example to be given to any noobish guy.

 

[barmyarmy]

Maybe we should force all new members to read this thread and sit a test on it

 

[TumTum]

I've been desperately trying to improve my post quality, which has indeed helped me improving my personality in real-life.

It's not just about improving yourself on a forum but this improvement does make a big difference in your life as well.

 

[Highlander999]

Maybe we should force all new members to read this thread and sit a test on it

I prefer them being made to spend an evening with Kev, Stevie and Evo If they still want to stay that shows real commitment