End Game White House Mafia - El Loco & The Deadman win

[Villain]

@asprin - I looked at your posts, tell me one good reason why you are not a candidate of lynch?

1) Creating confusion is not a town thing - you did well with your fake claim theory on this open set up.
2) Even when people explained you back - you mentioned, not all the people have posted where only AliB was pending to post and you did not expect him to post but he did later. Another if condition in your defense adding further confusion. I can say at this point, it was very smart move theoretically with those if conditions.
3) You are just taking advantage of Villan's approach causing confusion. If he has not claimed at the least, then there would have been some case to debate against it, with none CCed him till now, all I can see is, you are taking good advantage of his approach.

I am not able to see any of your posts with clarity other than attempts to create confusion. I will wait for others to put their thoughts as well on this, but to me, I am very convinced that you wanted to do CC against one of the claims made on Day 1, but you were stuck in dual thoughts whether to go for it this early or leave it as is and hence all these confusion.

Agree, he kept mentioning 'I have reasons to not believe his claim' which could mean he was probably later going to counterclaim.

Town whoever they are, are laidback with their approach. No lynch would mean two kills againt the next night, have to get something strong out right now.

 

[CerealKiller]

Seeing as this is an open setup, can we please have the win conditions on the OP @Fake Passport / @CerealKiller ?

Just click on "Setup" in the first post.

 

[surendar]

If I knew any better, it seems that you want to take advantage of me vs Villain debate even after my stance on him after the start of Day 2.

Nope only point 3 is about Villain, rest is purely about your way on how you are injecting confusion here. Like exactly how you tried to twist here in your reply to me with what significant contribution did AliB make, like an attempt to distract with a known thing.

Again I repeat - You guys( You or Jack ) were almost on the edge to make one CC but something prevented you or held you guys back( possibly due to just Day 1 ) and you are now trying to make it up to look correct theoretically. Not convincing mate.

 

[swacker]

I grilled Villain because it was my belief that he was faking it. I was hoping for a cc from someone but when no one came forward, I realized I may be wrong. I would do it with anyone who I am sus of.

Through the manner you approached his post, it seemed deliberate if you ask me. Not to wipe slate clean, but you could have waited for counter claim.

I don't want to string up bearing in mind how you rendered in the previous game.

 

[SiriusBlack]

Plenty of stuff to look at. I'm out rn and will get on as soon as I'm home.

 

[El Loco]

No CCs as I said, so it's logical to assume Villain and Rudolph are more or less confirmed town I think. Unnecessary claims are frustrating but it's nice to have that assurance on the flipside.
As for lynching, not one has been made, so anything I do now has the potential to be the final decision, which I'm not comfortable with personally (the end of the day is approaching), not to mention how scummy lynching someone without anybody else around would be.

 

[surendar]

I gave this time for Asprin to defend himself, all it looked to me - he was trying to make things look correct and cause distraction by discussing known things. I suspected him on end of day 1 and it remains.

Lynch : Asprin

 

[swacker]

Idk whether the lynch will matter now, but I will just vote anyway

Lynch asprin

 

[SiriusBlack]

Little did he know his mark carried a letter granting him executive privilege. He was therefore saved.

Ryan targeted a bulletproof, evidently.

Before he had a chance to pack up his things. He was marched out of the WhiteHouse and back up to the Hill.

Obviously, Ryan was fired.

As always, the President watched on.

So Trump knows who got Ryan? Seems like he watched Jack Ryder.

 

[SiriusBlack]

From today's play, I see asprin's play as more of a scumhunt than a mafia trying to cause confusion. I think his reasons for going after Villain were valid, as I thought he was rather erratic. Villain and Rudolph got no counter claims so I can't really see them being anything other than town. That leaves swacker, AliB, PresidentEvil, surendar, El Loco.

AliB has been quieter than usual which is like his mafia self as I have observed (insert fiery baseless comeback in the next post), PresidentEvil and Loco lean town for me bc they've been more keen on scumhunting, leaving surendar and swacker. They kind of look like they're jumping on the asprin bandwagon that Villain (perhaps unwillingly) created. Two lynches is a clear plurality at this point and they most likely know it. Potential a subtle quickhammer.

I'm gonna take a bit of a risk and go with the person I think is more likely to be mafia, in the hope that the plurality is at least tied within the next hour or two.

lynch surendar

 

[swacker]

I think his reasons for going after Villain were valid, as I thought he was rather erratic.

You really think it was valid to go after, though villain disclosed his role? Could have gone the same with Rudolph, but he chose not to.[DOUBLEPOST=1502859574][/DOUBLEPOST]

They kind of look like they're jumping on the asprin bandwagon that Villain (perhaps unwillingly) created.

Villain unwillingly created? That doesn't make sense. Are you covering asprin by any chance?

 

[SiriusBlack]

You really think it was valid to go after, though villain disclosed his role? Could have gone the same with Rudolph, but he chose not to.

It's less about choosing and more about acting based on information present. There's always a slight possibility that the actual person with the role may have chosen to withhold information for a more appropriate time. Any suspicion is valid in a mafia game unless you're absolutely sure, and you're rarely ever absolutely sure unless you're mafia.

Villain unwillingly created? That doesn't make sense. Are you covering asprin by any chance?

If anything I'm covering Villain by saying he unwillingly created a bandwagon on a townie.

You sound a little too anxious, swacker. Anything that I said?

 

[Villain]

From today's play, I see asprin's play as more of a scumhunt than a mafia trying to cause confusion. I think his reasons for going after Villain were valid, as I thought he was rather erratic. Villain and Rudolph got no counter claims so I can't really see them being anything other than town. That leaves swacker, AliB, PresidentEvil, surendar, El Loco.

AliB has been quieter than usual which is like his mafia self as I have observed (insert fiery baseless comeback in the next post), PresidentEvil and Loco lean town for me bc they've been more keen on scumhunting, leaving surendar and swacker. They kind of look like they're jumping on the asprin bandwagon that Villain (perhaps unwillingly) created. Two lynches is a clear plurality at this point and they most likely know it. Potential a subtle quickhammer.

I'm gonna take a bit of a risk and go with the person I think is more likely to be mafia, in the hope that the plurality is at least tied within the next hour or two.

lynch surendar

Your post sounds like you're clearing people just to have them by your side(age old scum tactic=clear townies), you basically cleared Asprin, Loco and PE while I'm not really sure what scumhunting have they been doing which you mentioned.

The reason for lynching Asprin is not because he questioned my claim it's because the amount of confusion he has created. None of his answers are clear.

Lynch: Asprin

Don't think we will be reaching majority, I might be dying the next night hence my only advice to town would be to go for Simon tomorrow, if Asp survives obviously him first.

 

[Fake Passport]

Lynch Count
Asprin - surendar, swacker, villain
Surendar - Simon

 

[swacker]

There's always a slight possibility that the actual person with the role may have chosen to withhold information for a more appropriate time.

True, but you are missing the point of Villain disclosing. He had to because there is not other way to back his defense, when people are going against.

Any suspicion is valid in a mafia game unless you're absolutely sure, and you're rarely ever absolutely sure unless you're mafia.

What are you implying? I was convinced with that role claim, even though I thought he was giving scum vibes initially.

You sound a little too anxious, swacker. Anything that I said?

The way you responded had me curious, cause it hardly made sense.