PS3: WINNER of 1st UCC League - CHAMAN (Manager, Team Dublin Devil)

[chaman82]

Option 2.

The thing is fast bowling speed difference is as lethal as the spin variations in the current version of dbc14. hopefully the patch 2 will help and create balance between bat and ball.

 

[RIZZYX]

Option 1 for me, I am sorry but it just spoils the realistic element of the game when the opposition bowling attack is lead by batsman, like Shaikar Dhawan and Shaun Marsh.

I think this option does have it's drawbacks as batsman like Ganguly, Sanath, Sehwag etc... are more than capable to bowl, whilst I would not agree with arjwiz that they are 'fantastic bowlers' but they are ok.

Arjwiz quick question, what rating are bowlers such as Sachin, Saurav, Yuvraj, Raina etc..? I would assume they would be max 2 stars? I will use Saurav as a point to show my case, whilst he had a time in his career in which he was used very often but most of his career he was not used much at all.

In his 311 ODI's he bowled 4561 deliveries, in comparison we have someone like Hafeez who has bowled 6206 deliveries in just 146 ODI's, the latter is a in game 3 star bowler, the former should be 2.

I know it is a small issue and I don't expect these things to be sorted out for this season, but as Kushari has pointed out these players will be used for a long run including all up coming seasons, I think these thinks could be tweaked based on everyone's input and obviously with justification not mere opinion.

 

[Acid Burn]

I wanted to go for Option 1 as I fully understand the need to ban the Out and Out Batsmen to bowl the Slow Ball longhops . But I thought that this was already partially fixed in the upcoming Patch , and secondly with the fairplay awards also coming in should be a very minor issue.

So I`m going for Option 2 , as in my own team I picked Dilshan and Faf as much for their Spin Bowling abilities as their batting , and would not like them to not be allowed to bowl.

But I most defnitly never selected Gibbs for his Medium Pacer bouncer abilities

 

[xvalerianx]

My vote is for option 2 as I have selected some players basically for their good bowling skills for ex:- Sanath, Smith. It also provides as a good backup option as what if my one frontline bowler gets hammered. We always would love a part time to serve as a backup. It all depends on the circumstances of the match. And I suppose 2 out of 20 is really less for some good quality bowlers.

 

[honu999]

My Vote is for Option-1: Simply because it is very subjective matter to consider who is a Decent Non regular bowler and who is Bad Non regular bowler. For example I may consider bowling with Dilshan & Faf (As mentioned by @Acid Burn ) as completely Unsporting. In my ongoing Ranji Match with @valerian140 , he got 03 Wickets with Mahela Jayawardhane, now my point is it is very subjective matter if bowling with Jayawardhane is unsportsmanlike or not, in my eyes it is, but in eyes of Valerian it is not, so who is going to decide what is what? The thing Kushari was trying to say (If I got his gist), that's lets bowl with people we picked as a bowler, which in my view is 100% Fair. Though there is a Fair Point system, but frankly who cares as that's not going to change the end match result. So guys voting for Option-2 now should not complain if I bowl with Shivnarine Chanderpaul / Michael Clarke / Jesse Ryder as as per ESPNCricinfo they have already bowled in International Matches and there is no way bowling with them should be called as unsporting.

I respect the decision and logic of each managers, but somehow I feel there is a bit of hypocrisy here, as the same players will complain when someone will bowl against them with lesser bowler and will brand it as unsporting, whereas they had the chance to eliminate this issue once and for all by removing all subjective views from this matter. Anyway I will not mind as it is free for all now and frankly I don't care about Fair Play Point, if I can win a match and get a low Fair Play point, as officially I can now bowl with anyone I want.

Good-luck to everyone but I am personally very disappointed with the hypocrisy of Managers going for Option-2, but again that's my view only, and we can agree to disagree.


EDIT: I would like to add that points made by @RIZZYX here is absolutely valid. We are not talking about real life bowling skill of Sachin (He is in my Team) / Gayle (Again in my Team) / Gangully / Faf / Jawayadane / Raina / Dawne Smith etc, we are talking about what DBC consider them as a bowler in this game? Do they have minimum 3* for their bowling skills alone, if the player mentioned above and player like Shivnarine Chanderpaul / Michael Clarke / Jesse Ryder (All in my team) have almost similar bowling skill points, how bowling with one set of players can be considered as Fair and other set of players can be considered as Unfair? Strictly speaking about the game DBC, and not in real life skills, I consider selecting for Option-2 above Option-1 was quite selfish and shortsightedness, specially considering you could have still bowled 02 overs with these non regular bowlers (10% of the Bowling), and use it to break partnership or surprise the opposition. Sorry, I still not getting it how making it free for all going to benefit this Tournament in general and Managers in particular.

 

[kushari]

My Vote is for Option-1: Simply because it is very subjective matter to consider who is a Decent Non regular bowler and who is Bad Non regular bowler. For example I may consider bowling with Dilshan & Faf (As mentioned by @Acid Burn ) as completely Unsporting. In my ongoing Ranji Match with @valerian140 , he got 03 Wickets with Mahela Jayawardhane, now my point is it is very subjective matter if bowling with Jayawardhane is unsportsmanlike or not, in my eyes it is, but in eyes of Valerian it is not, so who is going to decide what is what? The thing Kushari was trying to say (If I got his gist), that's lets bowl with people we picked as a bowler, which in my view is 100% Fair. Though there is a Fair Point system, but frankly who cares as that's not going to change the end match result. So guys voting for Option-2 now should not complain if I bowl with Shivnarine Chanderpaul / Michael Clarke / Jesse Ryder as as per ESPNCricinfo they have already bowled in International Matches and there is no way bowling with them should be called as unsporting.

I respect the decision and logic of each managers, but somehow I feel there is a bit of hypocrisy here, as the same players will complain when someone will bowl against them with lesser bowler and will brand it as unsporting, whereas they had the chance to eliminate this issue once and for all by removing all subjective views from this matter. Anyway I will not mind as it is free for all now and frankly I don't care about Fair Play Point, if I can win a match and get a low Fair Play point, as officially I can now bowl with anyone I want.

Good-luck to everyone but I am personally very disappointed with the hypocrisy of Managers going for Option-2, but again that's my view only, and we can agree to disagree.


EDIT: I would like to add that points made by @RIZZYX here is absolutely valid. We are not talking about real life bowling skill of Sachin (He is in my Team) / Gayle (Again in my Team) / Gangully / Faf / Jawayadane / Raina / Dawne Smith etc, we are talking about what DBC consider them as a bowler in this game? Do they have minimum 3* for their bowling skills alone, if the player mentioned above and player like Shivnarine Chanderpaul / Michael Clarke / Jesse Ryder (All in my team) have almost similar bowling skill points, how bowling with one set of players can be considered as Fair and other set of players can be considered as Unfair? Strictly speaking about the game DBC, and not in real life skills, I consider selecting for Option-2 above Option-1 was quite selfish and shortsightedness, specially considering you could have still bowled 02 overs with these non regular bowlers (10% of the Bowling), and use it to break partnership or surprise the opposition. Sorry, I still not getting it how making it free for all going to benefit this Tournament in general and Managers in particular.

@honu999 Buddy those were strong opinions and strong words. Though I agree with you 200% but request you to tone down a bit, its not cool to call your fellow managers as selfish. Everyone are entitled to their own opinion and also the right to cast his vote as he see it appropriate, we should not single out anyone and criticize their thinking process.

As you know, I could have just simply made the rule (for Option-1) and everyone would have to abide by it, but I never wanted to run this League like a dictator. I respect and value each and everyone's view and opinions (Including yours). I dont think this is a matter worth getting emotional or even getting disappoint too. As you are not in WhatsApp group, let me give you another update. I have already decided that even if Option-2 get Minimum 05 Votes, I will change my Vote to Option-2 to be fair to Managers who have chosen that option (As I cannot be partial as a Tournament Organizer).

But I will still wait for @issue to cast his Vote, before formally announcing the Vote Result.
@issue buddy, we are all waiting for your vote. Kindly choose between Option-1 & Option-2 ASAP, so that I can announce it officially.

Note: I apologies to members who voted in favor of Option-1, that I have to be impartial and select which majority (Except my Vote) has decided to choose.

 

[issue]

@honu999 Buddy those were strong opinions and strong words. Though I agree with you 200% but request you to tone down a bit, its not cool to call your fellow managers as selfish. Everyone has entitled to their opinion and right to cast this vote as they see it appropriate, we should not single out anyone and criticize their thinking process.

As you know, I could have just simply made the rule (for Option-1) and everyone would have to abide by it, but I never wanted to run this League like a dictator. I respect and value each and everyone's view and opinions (Including yours). I dont think this is a matter worth getting emotional or even getting disappoint too. As you are not in WhatsApp group, let me give you another update. I have already decided that even if Option-2 get Minimum 05 Votes, I will change my Vote to Option-2 to be fair to Managers who have chosen that option (As I cannot be partial as a Tournament Organizer).

But I will still wait for @issue to cast his Vote, before formally announcing the Vote Result.
@issue buddy, we are all waiting for your vote. Kindly choose between Option-1 & Option-2 ASAP, so that I can announce it officially.

Note: I apologies to members who voted in favor of Option-1, that I have to be impartial and select which majority (Except my Vote) has decided to choose.

Option - 1

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We have new rivals with existing rivals as well for this league

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More to come ......

 

[kushari]

VOTE RESULT for BOWLERS

WOW, it was way too closer than I ever expected it would be.

The Official Vote Result is 5/5 (But Option-2 Wins this as 5/4 vote, as Tournament Organizer excluded himself from the Voting process to be fair to other 09 Managers).

Managers who Voted for Option-1: @kushari @RIZZYX @honu999 @issue @Solomon

Managers who Voted for Option-2: @arjwiz @valerian140 @Acid Burn @chaman82 @francisjery

So, congratulation to Managers opting for Option-2 , they are now free to bowl with any player they want and as many overs they want.

I also sincerely thanks all the managers who voted for Option-1 , before the Voting, I was in the impression that Option-1 wont be selected by anyone except me, but you guys amazed me with your maturity and understanding of the stuff I was trying to convey. Hard luck, but atleast you will also now get to bowl with whoever you want.

All the best to all the 10 Managers, and as soon as Patch-2 release, I will announce the date for Opening Ceremony for UCC League.

 

[Solomon]

@kushari frankly speaking I am disappointed with your decision to move your vote to Option 2 just for others. You should have stood by your stand and if was a tie you should have gone ahead with your decision.
Dude its your tournament!!

Its just my opinion. If I was in your place I would have gone for

1) keep restrictions only for batsmen who doesn't bowl or have bowled regularly. Anwar, younis khan, Warner, Mike hussey, Gilchrist, shikhar Dhawan, Faf, Chanderpaul, Pujara Lara, Cook, kohli, trott, shaun marsh, finch, misbah etc .

2) Make it mandatory to pick 4 bowlers in the squad. Let the manager allocate the quota of overs. Sachin / Ganguly / Gayle / Dilshan and all those who have bowled previously and has proven track records should be allowed to bowl.

End of the day its your tournament and decision and we will stand by it.

 

[kushari]

@kushari frankly speaking I am disappointed with your decision to move your vote to Option 2 just for others. You should have stood by your stand and if was a tie you should have gone ahead with your decision.
Dude its your tournament!!

Its just my opinion. If I was in your place I would have gone for

1) keep restrictions only for batsmen who doesn't bowl or have bowled regularly. Anwar, younis khan, Warner, Mike hussey, Gilchrist, shikhar Dhawan, Faf, Chanderpaul, Pujara Lara, Cook, kohli, trott, shaun marsh, finch, misbah etc .

2) Make it mandatory to pick 4 bowlers in the squad. Let the manager allocate the quota of overs. Sachin / Ganguly / Gayle / Dilshan and all those who have bowled previously and has proven track records should be allowed to bowl.

End of the day its your tournament and decision and we will stand by it.

I understand what you are saying, but I dont want to have so many complicated rules and I dont like imposing myself on others. I gave 02 Options which in my view was quite fair, now if 05 out 09 Managers (Except me) have selected a particular option, I have to go with that option.

As for bowling with Non Bowlers, I have mentioned that it is completely a subjective matter, and I am in no mood to discuss one by one individually about whether the 60 Batsman (Who are been Picked in Legend Batsman & Batsman Draft) are pure Batsman or some of them have bit of skill for bowling too. Now all the Managers can still play with right sportsman spirit, and make a self imposed ban on bowling with lower skill batsman if they want.
As for you Anwar, younis khan, Warner, Mike Hussey, Gilchrist, shikhar Dhawan, Faf, Chanderpaul, Pujara Lara, Cook, kohli, trott, shaun marsh, finch, misbah should not be considered as bowlers at all, but you have seen the post from @Acid Burn, where he said he specifically selected Faf & Dilshan in the Draft, so that he can also use them as bowler when he can. Now, I dont want to Discuss/Argue for an Individual player on case to case basis, as as per you Faf is not a bowler & as per Acid he is quite a decent bowler. Hope you are getting my point.

I dont want to spoon-feed anymore, I have given a fair option (In my view), and it was rejected by majority, so be it. Moreover, I have NOT announced explicitly before the DRAFT that I dont want player who are been picked as Batsman during Batsman Draft should be allowed to bowl. I do understand that many of the Managers have picked their Draft Batsman based on the fact that they can also bowl a bit whenever the situation arises for the same. It would have been unfair to restrict them from bowling now. But when I made the Draft based on Legend Batsman / Pace Bowlers / Spinners / All Rounders / Wicketkeepers & Batsman, I assumed (wrongly) the selected player would be played as per their role defined in Draft.

But lets not spoil the fun with all these arguments anymore and let us together enjoy the game which is what our aim for this Tournament is.

 

[RIZZYX]

I think kushari gave this a fair shot, even if he counted his vote there was not a majority vote to impose the change in question, so it is fair enough to keep things the way they are.

Plus i think it is a very valid point that this issue was not clarified before the player draft hence it is unfair on those who selected certain players with the intention of using them to contribute towards bowling for example Ganguly.

Let's put this aside and move on.

 

[Acid Burn]

Guys , just my 2 cents (from a selfish hypocrite)

I have taken more wickets with Faf du Plessis Legspin than with Imran Tahir in my Protea team that Ive played over a 100 Online matches , so I went with Faf , and did not pick Imran Tahir as he is Legspin only.

Same idea with Dilshan . I picked these guys to bowl spin , not Slow Ball Longhops by the medium pacers.(which I think is what we are trying to avoid here)

 

[kushari]

Guys , just my 2 cents (from a selfish hypocrite)

I have taken more wickets with Faf du Plessis Legspin than with Imran Tahir in my Protea team that Ive played over a 100 Online matches , so I went with Faf , and did not pick Imran Tahir as he is Legspin only.

Same idea with Dilshan . I picked these guys to bowl spin , not Slow Ball Longhops by the medium pacers.(which I think is what we are trying to avoid here)

All good Acid. Lets not stretch things any further, I already censored @honu999 for his emotional outburst..

I am happy that all the 10 Teams have shaped up equally strong. It should be a good contest. I hope Patch-2 will help us rectify most of the teething problem like Minimum Bowling speed of Fast & Medium Fast Bowler etc....This delay is killing me...

 

[Solomon]

Wellington Warriors vs Sydney Practice Match Highlights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrOEFEtDz-A

 

[lion100lion]

@kushari
You didn't comment on my suggestion of v cash system....