World Test Championship Finals - India vs Australia @ Oval

[Bevab]

It was a quick look. I'd say conditions do not play to the strengths to certain teams - hence the Ashwin problem. But with all the players India has, the fact they can't find someone to effectively replace Hardik Pandya is an India problem.

England have had to bring back a 36 year old retiree, our lack of spinners is an England
problem.

There's probably nowhere that wouldn't offer certain advantages and disadvantages. I'd say, with their pace bowlers Pakistan would actually be more suited to England than Asian conditions.


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meanwhile, what a screamer from Green. Check Cummos left boot though.

The main reason why I was surprised was because Pakistan generally did well in England, or at least that's what the perception was. Looking at individual match results it does seem to be the case, Pakistan have won as many games in England as India despite playing seven lesser. Sri Lanka on the other hand have just two wins in fourteen games but one of those was in their solitary series win there and the other was in a series they managed to draw. The Kiwis have just three wins in sixteen games and they have a similar tale to Sri Lanka with the extra win being the WTC final against India. India's always managed a win at least other than in the horror 2011 series and Pakistan have two series' where they didn't win any games but managed to draw four series, that's pretty commendable I'd say even if it'll hurt them to not have turned at least one of them into a series win.

In terms of win percentage Pakistan has the third best this century for a visiting team to England with only the Proteas and the Aussies being better. Not a coincidence that all three of them have had good pacers or ones that work well in English conditions as you mention.

 

[Umair7]

Do we get a reserve day incase of no rain to make up for the overs lost so far?

 

[Bevab]

It was me who brought this up about shake up and thanks for replying on the Spurs as I do not follow football/soccer and have had no answer.

Going off-topic here... it's a bit of a meme in football to dunk on Spurs (from what I heard the San Antonio team shares something similar) because a couple of famous players had two quotes that mocked them in the past for not being mentally resilient. Something that isn't talked about though by the same people is that they have only the seventh highest wage bill in the league and in football the latter is usually an accurate predictor of where teams will end up finishing on average in the long run due to the disparity between sides financially. They're also the only team at the top levels of English football (other than Arsenal until recently) that doesn't spend a lot or have huge financial backing like Chelsea in the past or Manchester City with their unlimited backing from a literal country's government. They also don't have the income of a Liverpool or Manchester United and are currently playing catch-up to Arsenal who had a big headstart on matchday revenue and will probably be behind the latest Middle East backed club in Newcastle.

Despite all of it they've built a new stadium recently with a large part of it coming from loans and income earned by the club and have for the most part played entertaining football (until the last 3-4 years) with young players at the core of it. I find it funny that they're the subject of such jokes by the football community when they're already overachieving significantly by getting into a position to compete on a sporting level while football fans complain that the game's become too expensive to follow or a joke with government backed clubs and unlimited money being thrown around.

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Do we get a reserve day incase of no rain to make up for the overs lost so far?

I don't think the reserve day is brought in unless we lose a significant portion of a day's play. Could be wrong though.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

This is a good comeback thanks to lower order and Jinx from us. Please lord help us reach 300.

 

[Na Maloom Afraad]

Only West Indies and Pakistan haven't won, so I could see why you might see a disadvantage.

Ain't no coming back from that bub @CerealKiller

 

[Bevab]

Ain't no coming back from that bub @CerealKiller

If Pakistan didn't make the WTC final with such a favourable schedule in this cycle then I doubt they ever will in the near future.

 

[Na Maloom Afraad]

If Pakistan didn't make the WTC final with such a favourable schedule in this cycle then I doubt they ever will in the near future.

I'd like to take this moment to curse Ramiz Raja with every cell in my body. We probably would have, or at least gotten within an earshot of making it to the WTC Final this cycle had it not been for mister drop-in-pitches.

 

[WubbaLubbaDubDub]

If Pakistan didn't make the WTC final with such a favourable schedule in this cycle then I doubt they ever will in the near future.

2025 cycle is also pretty favorable as the 2 of the 3 away series they play is in Australia and South Africa, both should help their bowlers significantly.

 

[Umair7]

I'd like to take this moment to curse Ramiz Raja with every cell in my body. We probably would have, or at least gotten within an earshot of making it to the WTC Final this cycle had it not been for mister drop-in-pitches.

Thank You GOAT RAJA!

 

[Bevab]

I'd like to take this moment to curse Ramiz Raja with every cell in my body. We probably would have, or at least gotten within an earshot of making it to the WTC Final this cycle had it not been for mister drop-in-pitches.

But he got those Babar centuries for his money's worth.

 

[Till Valhalla]

• The only reason for I want India to lose is so the "experts" can rest their pitchforks against Kohli

 

[wasteyouryouth]

The main reason why I was surprised was because Pakistan generally did well in England, or at least that's what the perception was. Looking at individual match results it does seem to be the case, Pakistan have won as many games in England as India despite playing seven lesser. Sri Lanka on the other hand have just two wins in fourteen games but one of those was in their solitary series win there and the other was in a series they managed to draw. The Kiwis have just three wins in sixteen games and they have a similar tale to Sri Lanka with the extra win being the WTC final against India. India's always managed a win at least other than in the horror 2011 series and Pakistan have two series' where they didn't win any games but managed to draw four series, that's pretty commendable I'd say even if it'll hurt them to not have turned at least one of them into a series win.

In terms of win percentage Pakistan has the third best this century for a visiting team to England with only the Proteas and the Aussies being better. Not a coincidence that all three of them have had good pacers or ones that work well in English conditions as you mention.

Yeah, I always thought Pakistan had done better so was surprised they hadn't won at least one series. But equally I remember series where Pakistan win one emphatically and then go missing.

I'd be interested to see which country has the most away wins (matches rather than series) over that period (if you have nothing better to do ).

Ultimately, it's down to certain countries domestic development. Does the ECB do enough to develop spinners, does the BCCI do enough to develop seam bowling all rounders? Both have a plethora of high class options (Stokes, Woakes, Curran, Jadeja, Axar, Ashwin) but only really one of the other.

 

[Skankhunt_42]

That was useless from Lord Shardul! Shami could've aided you well enough to touch 340 odd. Now not even 300. All set to lose now

 

[Bevab]

2025 cycle is also pretty favorable as the 2 of the 3 away series they play is in Australia and South Africa, both should help their bowlers significantly.

They have lost every test match played in Australia this century. In fact, you'd have to go back to 1995 to find a game they won and they've only won four times in their entire cricket history there. That's absolutely abysmal and I don't see that changing in this cycle despite Naseem being a better version of himself than last time and Shaheen improving with each game. There's too many holes IMO in their current team to win a series there against an Aussie side with some fine prospects coming up. If the Proteas rebuild goes as well I'd say they're unlikely to win there too.

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The Aussies being forced to come back after that overturned DRS call has to be one of the funniest moments in recent test history.

 

[Bevab]

Yeah, I always thought Pakistan had done better so was surprised they hadn't won at least one series. But equally I remember series where Pakistan win one emphatically and then go missing.

I'd be interested to see which country has the most away wins (matches rather than series) over that period (if you have nothing better to do ).

Ultimately, it's down to certain countries domestic development. Does the ECB do enough to develop spinners, does the BCCI do enough to develop seam bowling all rounders? Both have a plethora of high class options (Stokes, Woakes, Curran, Jadeja, Axar, Ashwin) but only really one of the other.

If we're talking away games in general Australia should have that covered thanks to the legendary side of the 2000s. They have eleven wins in England which is the most but the South Africans have a better win percentage for games just in England.