Would Shakib Al Hasan make a team other than Bangladesh?

[Lassana Dias]

Right on angry. Shakib - 'the world's best allrounder' - is in one of the world's worser teams yet he often comes on as 5th bowler and bats at #5 or even #6. Seems weird - he should be taking more responsibility for sure.

He looked ill though in that 1st game when he was batting and I wouldn't be surprised if that contributed to his slowness.

is he really the worlds best allrounder dude ..... who the hell killed all the 100s of other guys

 

[Chewie]

A quick look at the ICC Reliance player rankings will show you that he is the number 1 ranked all-rounder in the world at the moment.

 

[sifter132]

Yah that's what I meant - the rankings say he's best. Personally, I think Watson is the best all-rounder right now, but Shakib has been performing for longer and gets a lot bowling so that's why he's at the top of the rankings.

 

[angryangy]

The trouble with gauging all-round form is exactly that, how do you compare someone who bats really well and bowls okay with someone who is more all-round? Is it better to be more specialised and have the second skill as a bonus, or is the ability to turn both disciplines on in the same match the acme of the all-rounder?

The ratings show that Shakib has the ability to really pile it on. In Bangladesh's thrashing of NZ, he was both the best batsman and best bowler of either side. His batting form fell away in the World Cup, but after quite a peak performance, he was still right up there.

Watson is not far behind at number 2, but what we tend to see from him is plateaus. He pulled out a huge score against England, but has since idled along. He would be well in front if only he could multiply that consistency by his ability. He is also one who is prone to not bowling enough to maintain himself.

At number 3 is Shahid Afridi; he has achieved excellent form with the ball, but his rating as an all-rounder will never get that extra boost from his eternally flawed batting, which does not know your puny human concepts of form.

 

[Lassana Dias]

what ever ICC Reliance player rankings says, if you tell me Shakib is better then - SR Watson, Steven Smith, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Jacob Oram, Scott Styris, Angelo Mathews, Yusuf and Irfan Pathan brothers, Faf du Plessis,Jacques Kallis, Paul Collingwood, Luke Wright, DJ Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Kevin O'Brien, Ryan ten Doeschate....... and so many that i have not mentioned .... wow, i have never seen this so call shakib play., is he 7 feet tall .... well then agin its ICC known to be stupid

 

[Chewie]

what ever ICC Reliance player rankings says, if you tell me Shakib is better then - SR Watson, Steven Smith, Shahid Afridi, Abdul Razzaq, Jacob Oram, Scott Styris, Angelo Mathews, Yusuf and Irfan Pathan brothers, Faf du Plessis,Jacques Kallis, Paul Collingwood, Luke Wright, DJ Bravo, Kieron Pollard, Kevin O'Brien, Ryan ten Doeschate....... and so many that i have not mentioned .... wow, i have never seen this so call shakib play., is he 7 feet tall .... well then agin its ICC known to be stupid

The only ones in that list that I would say he isn't better than as an all-rounder is Shane Watson. All the others are either not very consistent, or are only outstanding with one aspect.

 

[Lassana Dias]

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The only ones in that list that I would say he isn't better than as an all-rounder is Shane Watson. All the others are either not very consistent, or are only outstanding with one aspect.

do you honestly think sakib would even play for any other test team other then ZIM or BAN .....

i really cant see sakib playing for india, aus, sl, sa, pak or any top team with what he can do .... good for him he's a bangladeshi


by the way please expalin me how sakib is better then Jacques Kallis in your book?

 

[Chewie]

Kallis hardly bowls any more. As a player, Kallis is better, but as an all-rounder Shakib is better

I'm trying to think of a team Shakib wouldn't get into. Someone who bats at 6 and is an awesome spin bowler as well is something most teams would die for. The only teams he could possibly not make would be Sri Lanka (because of their natural spin talent) and New Zealand (because of Vettori). India as well possibly.

 

[Lassana Dias]

Kallis hardly bowls any more. As a player, Kallis is better, but as an all-rounder Shakib is better

I'm trying to think of a team Shakib wouldn't get into. Someone who bats at 6 and is an awesome spin bowler as well is something most teams would die for. The only teams he could possibly not make would be Sri Lanka (because of their natural spin talent) and New Zealand (because of Vettori). India as well possibly.

Man don?t get me wrong, for me he is a average bowler!!! Sometimes I wish I would have being a Bangladeshi so that I could play test cricket !! for me sakib is nothing more then some one like ruwan kalpage who played for sri lanka in early 90s.

My point is, if a team generally don?t have good players with world class talent the average players would look better then what they really are!!!

Respect your comments but the sakib you know and I know seems to be different to each other

 

[War]

Yah that's what I meant - the rankings say he's best. Personally, I think Watson is the best all-rounder right now, but Shakib has been performing for longer and gets a lot bowling so that's why he's at the top of the rankings.

These days their is no dynamic all-rounder in world cricket these days like when we had Flintoff @ his peak in the mid 2000s, Cairns/McMillian/Klusener in the 90s or the famous 4 of the the 1980s (Botham, Imran, Hadlee, Dev). Who are capable of turning a match with a superb hundred or 5 wicket haul consistently.

The all-rounders today like Kallis, Watson, Shakib, Vettori, Bravo (these are the only complete all-rounders in all formats) are strong in one facet & marely contribute slightly in one from time to time.

Kallis & Watto are the two best batting-allrounders, who chip in with wickets as 5th bowlers. You wouldn't see them taking to much 5 wicket hauls in any very often.

Vettori & Shakib are the two best bowling all-rouunders (although Shakib's batting is slightly better than Vettori). Their strength remains their bowling, while they contribute steadily with the bat @ # 7 (although Shakib bats 5 for BANG, i dont think he would bat higher than #7 if he played for AUS, ENG, SA, IND, SRI) - but not with too many hundreds.

Bravo is the poor man's version of all the above. But he has the ability to improve.

 

[Lassana Dias]

i dont think he would bat higher than #7 if he played for AUS, ENG, SA, IND, SRI) - but not with too many hundreds.

i dont think he would get to play for any of above teams

 

[StinkyBoHoon]

I think you are being a bit over the top lassana? are you saying england, south africa, the west indies and australia would not have welcomed a spinner who has a bowling average under 30 and a batting one of 35?

Randiv, who your sri lankan team used as a main spinner in a world cup final averages 35 with the ball and can't bat. Kapu, who you batted as a pure batsman at 6 averages 22 with the bat. there are far worse players playing for sri lanka than shakib al hasan.

 

[War]

i dont think he would get to play for any of above teams

Why not?

Australia would certainly take him. He is the spin bowling all-rounder that they would need (instead of Steve Smith) to bat @ # 6 & would allow them to play 4 quicks in tests. Thus immediately easing the stress of finding a spinner in this post Warne era.

England now that Collingwood has retired. He would fit in perfectly @ # 6 or 7 instead of picking a batsman in Morgan/Hidreth/Bopara.

India yes. I can easily see him batting @ 6 or 7 for them.

Sri Lanka same thing. He could easily get picked ahead of one of Randiv/Herath/Mendis & would give them a longer batting line-up.

South Africa is debatable. Since you can argue geniunely that best SA test XI would not need him. Since they are already well balanced with a having Kallis as an all-rounder.

Smith
Peterson
Amla
Kallis
De Villiers
Prince
Boucher
Steyn
Morkel
De Wet
Tahir

Although you can argue given that 8-11 is a bit of long tail. They could pick him ahead of Tahir.

 

[aussie1st]

Australia would certainly take him. He is the spin bowling all-rounder that they would need (instead of Steve Smith) to bat @ # 6 & would allow them to play 4 quicks in tests. Thus immediately easing the stress of finding a spinner in this post Warne era.

He would make the side as the frontline spinner not in the top 7. His FC average is lower than Smith and his Test is only 2 runs better.

 

[War]

He would make the side as the frontline spinner not in the top 7.

That would be a tactical option as well. But if he where Australian i'd prefer to bat him @ 6 & keep 4 quicks + Watson since it gives more bowling options. Which id say the test attack certainly needs given these days AUS dont know whats its best combination to take 20 test wickets.

His FC average is lower than Smith and his Test is only 2 runs better.

ATS looking at their FC records isn't really needed. We have seen them both on the international stage long enough & its clear Smith isn't as good as his FC stats & should never have played tests for AUS as yet.

While Shakib is complete player who probably has another level to take his game at the highest level.