Wrestling thread

[SciD]

Jeff Hardy rules WWE now. :happy

 

[sledger]

Jeff won the title from Edge. Not Triple H =/

Jeff's a good enough wrestler to hold what's supposed to be one of the 2 most prestigous titles in Wrestling. He's got nothing on the sort of names that have held the World Title in the passed, names like Bret Hart, Ric Flair, Hulk Hogan, Ricky Steamboat, Sting, Shawn Michaels, Triple H, Kurt Angle, he's got nothing on them. Jeff's a Spot Monkey, he does a few spots every year, jumping from high buildings, leaping off ladders, swanton-ing people through tables etc, but his actual wrestling skills leave alot to be desired. Randy Orton should be World Champ if they were going to give it to one of the younger guys.

CM Punk's going to win the title in the next few months though, WWE clearly want him to be a Triple Crown winner. He's already got the Tag Titles, and is blatent favourite for the Intercontinental title. Just wish he'd bin the GTS, he can't execute it correctly, he's already broken 2 guys noses with it. Just a shame he'd not be able to use the Pepsi Plunge because of Triple H really.

Would agree that Jeff is good enough to hold one of the world titles, but whether or not he is good as the likes of Flair etc... for me are totally besides the point. I don't think anybody is under any illusion as to what Jeff Hardy offers in term of in ring performance, and the E do not attempt to package him up in any way other than his risk taker, dare devil persona. What is nice is that they are adding someone completely fresh to the ME scene, and showing their intent to push him hard by putting the strap on him. By giving the world title back to Orton would be seen as a negative step at this stage, his last title reign got stale pretty quickly, Jeff's (provided it's booked well - and trusting the E's creative team it probs won't be) title reign could add something totally new to the company and hopefully put him over enough to put him in the top bracket of performers in the company. Besides, Randy "chin lock" Orton despite being more accomplished in the ring than Jeff is hardly anything more than average himself.

Also, would like to see Punk going back and using the Anaconda Vise, as I agree, that more often than not the GTS looks utter gash.

sledger added 9 Minutes and 56 Seconds later...

Was coming. I thought he'd win it at Wrestlemania after winning the Royal Rumble tbh. I wouldn't say he's the best choice for champ though tbh. He's far from the best wrestler in the company. I'd definitely chose Edge or Triple H over him. Jeff does some impressive stuff, but he's not a brilliant wrestler, again just something to please the WWE's target market.

WWE could be so much better if they ditched the awful PG control that they've got over the product atm. The company's becoming more and more child focused, with guys like Jeff, Cena and Mysterio getting big pushes, leaving the talented wrestlers like Benjamin, Matt Hardy, Undertaker, CM Punk, Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels, MVP and John Morrisson getting either mid-card titles or very little exposure. Orton especially gets a very rough deal, he's not had a World Title for a long long time, yet he's one of the more talented guys in the E.

WWE's got a heck of alot of potential, especially with guys like Swagger, Bourne, DH Smith, Kendrick, Rhodes, DiBiase, and Marella coming through, but they're just not giving them the chance to truely shine, because of the ridiculous obsession with the likes of Cena, Batista and Jeff Hardy. If WWE binned this PG outlook they'd be much better, and could actually get back to the good old days, the Attitude era, but it won't happen. As long as Vince is pulling in the money things won't change.

TNA's not much better either. Every match ending with a low blow, heel's holding every title, Alex Shelley not getting enough ring time to shine. They're starting to do more things right though, limiting Samoa Joe's mic time, bringing Christopher Daniels back and also removing the X Division title from Sheik Abdul Bashir. The Frontline-MEM story is going pretty well as well, and will really heat up when Foley makes the inevitible heel turn at Genesis to screw Jeff Jarrett over. Kaz is back as well, playing the role of Suicide, and his 2 appearances so far have been very impressive, even if he somewhat messed up the finisher in his last appearance.

Things are looking up for the Wrestling business, but we still need to see improvements if it's going to get back to the WWF-WCW good days. Things going the right way though.

I don't think thats a particularly fair critique if I'm honest. This year has seen a major improvement in WWE programming, it's easily been the best year since 04 or 05. Jeff and Cena are in my opinion, fulling deserving of their push, they are two of the most over guys on any roster, and provide a big draw (the improvement in RAWs Tv ratings since Cenas return are testament to this). Similarly, we have seen an upturn in pushes for guys who are genuinely talented, CM Punk and Jericho being given world title reigns are testament to this. The likes of Rhodes, Di Biase etc... being alligned with Orton and holding the tag titles for a decent stretch is further evidence of this, Shelton Benjamins push has seemingly been restarted (thank **** for that) and although only on the mid card has been made to look like a credible contender, Brian Kendrick has had similar fortune. John Morrison and the Miz getting one over on DX a few weeks ago shows how they have faith in those two as well. MVP is unfortunate, as he should have been pushed harder a lot longer ago...but if reports are to be believed his burial is down to disciplinary issues, so I suppose he only has himself to blame.

HBK is probably only not receiving a push as at the moment he is better suited to putting over other guys on the roster, his feud with Jericho was probably the best thing the E have done in ages (bar maybe the Edge/Taker feud), and despite not always being top of the card, I don't think many would dispute that this was the hottest angle in the E at the time of its ongoing.

Unfortunately I woud have to agree with you over your assesment of TNA, its been very poor as of late, and with (apparently) Christian and maybe Angle leaving in the new year they really need to get their act together. They have a talented enough roster and a large enough fan base to start something good in motion, but the consistant over booking and reliance on older performers rather than pushing their new blood is really holding them back at the moment, and until thahts sorted they will never make any sort of competition for the WWE.

 

[Yogy]

Finally Triple H used the Sledge Hammer. Chavo became the latest victim of Triple H. Jeff Hardy defeated Big Show on Smackdown via. count out.
Its going to be Bigshow & Edge VS Hardy Boyz next week on Smack Down.

 

[Annoyingdevil]

Jeff Handy sucks...Triple H and Edge will kick his butt in Real Life

 

[PaulNixon1]

It would help if you could say Jeff's name right. Anyway I personally think Edge is the biggest load of **** you could possibly imagine and should not be main eventing and people like Shelton Benjamin should be instead of him. I think Jeffs a good wrestler and by the storyline he deserves to have the title but they only put it on him because the kids love him. If they put it on shelton Benjamin most kids will stop watching simply because they prefer people like Jeff. John Cena's got injured twice of the last year and a bit and has come back to big pushes both times. He won the royal rumble at the start of the year after returning form his first injury and then won the WHC returning from his second. There are many more talented people out there on that raw roster that deserve it more than him like CM Punk and Randy Orton but Randy Orton is getting stuck with a bunch of second and third gen stars when he should be main eventing and challenging for that title. On ECW Matt Hardy in all fairness shouldnt be there because theres no real talent for him to defend his title against other than John Morrison who should lose the Miz because i think he is a crap wrestler and the titles and be Main eventing alongside Matt and Evan Bourne who is a real talent. They shouldnt move Evan Bourne at the next draft because itll will happen to him what happened to Kofi Kingston he will get put the IC title on him too early and he will turn out to be excatly the same as Kofi and what happened of Monday was ridiculous Shawn Micheals letting JBL clostheline him when Shawn is more deserved of the title shot than him. Thats what i I think the problems with WWE are.

 

[Yogy]

JBL will never beat Cena. I remember Cena beating JBL at Wrestlemania, Judgement day in an I Quit Match etc..,

Cena has to be careful when he faces JBL at the Royal Rumble. HBK might come and help his boss.

 

[Big Man]

Yep expect interference when JBL takes on Cena at the Rumble.

HBK doing it tough atm.

 

[sledger]

Cena obviously will retain, this whole JBL/HBK angle is obviously only being used as a way to get HBK into a kind of tweener character so they can they push his feud with Undertaker for WM.

In other news Jason Reso's contract with TNA is officially up and he hasnt resigned, expect to see him in WWE again very soon. Hope they book him in a match with Edge at WM.

 

[King Pietersen]

Match with Hardy at WM

 

[sledger]

Dunno....that would certainly be a viable alternative.....but the way they are pushing Matt Hardy quite hard and getting him on all three televised shows at the moment suggests to me that they may turn him heel and reveal him as "the one who attacked Jeff on the stairs" and make them square off against one another at WM....or so the rumours say....wouldn't be opposed to this personally, but I imagine Vince is worried that it won't draw the fans.

 

[Yogy]

Rock used to wrestle both at Raw and SD. But Matt is doing it 3 times a week.

 

[sledger]

Yeah...er....wow.

 

[sd92]

Match with Hardy at WM

So you're believing it now?

 

[Yogy]

Undertaker returned to SD with a chokeslam on Shelton Benjamin and will be a part of Royal Rumble match. Umaga will be on SD next week.

Triple H will be in the royal rumble match. But the bad news is that he will compete in 3 matches next week ( Ladder, Handicap and Last man standing match).

Big Show left his partner Edge alone in the middle of the match as a New Year Gift to to Hardy Boyz and the Hardy's win the game. Its now official that Edge will face Jeff at Royal Rumble.

MVP continues his loosing streak.

 

[King Pietersen]

So you're believing it now?

Believing that Cage will go to WWE? I've believed it for a long time, the way Christian's dealt with the situation has annoyed me a little bit though, we've just been left guessing for the past month about what he's going to do, where he's going, when he could have just come out and said 'Yep I'm going back to WWE'. He'll be a good signing though, if WWE use him correctly, he's good enough for the Main Event, and I just hope that Vince realises that now.

WWE's actually been more entertaining to watch of late as well, TNA's taken a massive backward step in the past month. The Frontline-MEM storyline just hasn't gone to plan, TNA Writing staff suck, Russo needs to get sacked, he's awful. TNA need to get some real writing staff in, who will bring back the glory days of TNA from a couple of years ago, because the tripe we're getting atm is barely worth watching. Every match ending in a low blow, Knockouts getting more time than the X Division, Sting still having the title etc etc etc

The only things that the TNA Writing staff have done well in the past month has been bringing back Daniels, and the introduction of Suicide, who looks a very interesting character. Alex Shelley is getting a push as well which is also good. But apart from that WWE > TNA atm. TNA need to step up their game.

Taker will win Royal Rumble. Win at Wrestlemania, then retire. It's the way it should go anyway. Then Christian will come back and be announced as the man that did the stairs thing to Jeff Hardy, starting a fued which will last to Wrestlemania. That's what I'm predicting anyway