Wrestling thread

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Well the reason Jericho's return was messed up is because Vince left it so, so long, that it was common knowledge by the time he did come back...

 

[King Pietersen]

Yeh, exactly, and I think it could be a similar situation with Christian unless he comes back in the next couple of weeks. Another thing about Jericho, I wouldn't have minded the fact that everyone knew about it if he came back with a really decent gimmick/character, but I don't really like the new Jericho. The old Y2J character was far cooler, and was a far better heel character than the new 'Codebreaker Jericho'. He's not a bad character at all, but compared with the original Jericho he's nowhere near as good.

TNA iMPACT was actually fairly decent last night, best one for a while, except for the fact that the Knockouts are getting more ringtime than the actual decent competitors, but that's due to injuries tbh. I have to say though, I'm loving Scott Steiner more and more each week, the bloke's hilarious. I respect the fact that he's really feeling some harsh pain in his back, but yet still competes week in week out. We're not seeing the famous Steiner frankensteiner, but he's still decent in the ring, and really doesn't get the credit he deserves.

Steiner's a complete nutter, there's no doubting that, you only need to read a few of the stories going about the rumour sites to prove that. Here's a few of the things going around:

Says one fellow wrestler regarding Scott Steiner: "If Scott has a decent, hard match where he takes five or ten bumps, he is feeling much more pain than the average beat up wrestler [and he feels it for up to] 24 hours after the match.? The day after he wrestles he walks and moves like a 70 year old. Most wrestlers didn't think he would return from the torn trachea he suffered wrestling in Puerto Rico where he took a kick to the throat, let alone still wrestle to this day.

There is sympathy for Scott backstage in TNA despite his reputation, which at one point was one of the worst in the business. There was one time in WCW where Terry Taylor was so shaken up over his threats that he changed all of his flights just to avoid Steiner. Steiner ended up being sent home over the July 4th weekend, and later joked to friends that if they wanted a paid vacation just pick on Taylor like he did. Another WCW story is that before an episode of Nitro in January 2000, Scott was told by management not to drive the n.W.o. Hummer vehicle over 60 miles an hour. One of the first things he did was see how fast the truck could drive and blew out the engine requiring thousands of dollars worth of repairs. It was during that time frame that WCW threatened to press charges on him for alleged threads made toward Ric Flair in a parking lot, and warned Steiner that if they did press charges he would be in violation of his probation. They were going to fine him and suspend him instead of pressing charges, but his contract prohibited any kind of fine or suspension, so they did neither.

Probably his most famous incident was the fight with DDP backstage at Nitro after Scott cut an unauthorized promo on Page on live TV, and Page picked a fight with him as soon as he walked back through the curtain. It took about seven wrestlers to pry Scott off of Dallas Page and one wrestler said Steiner tried to take his eye out. One report said Steiner filed his nails earlier in the day and if he hadn?t, Page might have lost an eye. Some felt Page deserved it while others felt he only got so much heat because of his wife Kimberly?s attitude.

Think this proves that Steiner used to be a real nutter. Wrecking the WCW Hummer, threatening Flair and then almost taking DDP's eye out in a fight. His attitude has been immensely praised since joining TNA though, he's been on best behaviour, caused no trouble, and been willing to do anything that the TNA creative staff want him to, even with those nasty back injuries.

The thing I love most about Steiner are his promo's. TNA should really give him more Mic time. He's so bad that it makes it hilarious. Everything he does on the mic makes me laugh, his "eeny meany miney mo" thing with Booker last night was fantastic. I also loved a story I read about Steiners woeful spell in WWE. WWE were keen to give him a drugs test, due to the obvious use of Steroids, but Steiner just said to the WWE "Get Levesque down here with me and we'll take our Tests together". That was the last that Steiner heard from the WWE about drugs tests lol.

Steiners a legend tbh, and his time in TNA can only be praised, he's been fantastic! Love the bloke.

 

[sledger]

So I just finished watching ROH driven 2008 and my god, what a show. Nigel Mcguinness vs Roderick Strong was incredible. ROH really shows how terrible WWe is IMO

Comparing ROH to WWE is, has been, and always will be an illogical thing to do though, as they are two entirely different products, for a start WWE is mark based, so most of the casual fans really don't give a crap about the quality of the wrestling (to an extent anyway), where as the exact opposite can be said of ROH fans.

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Yeh, exactly, and I think it could be a similar situation with Christian unless he comes back in the next couple of weeks. Another thing about Jericho, I wouldn't have minded the fact that everyone knew about it if he came back with a really decent gimmick/character, but I don't really like the new Jericho. The old Y2J character was far cooler, and was a far better heel character than the new 'Codebreaker Jericho'. He's not a bad character at all, but compared with the original Jericho he's nowhere near as good.

Have to strongly disgaree with this to be honest, I loved the old Jericho, but to bring him back in that capacity would have been the wrong move in my opinion. His entire image/gimmick etc... was out of date and despite it being cool if they were ever to establish him as a serious top of the card performer they had to add an element of seriousness to his character. The way Jericho was booked as a heel in his first spell with the WWE was very much in the "bitch" type role, comprising mainly of cowardly attacks and cheating victories, these days he goes over strong, doesn't look weak and really looks the part as an ME'er. His run with the Undisputed title back in 2001 is enough evidence of this, the way he was booked throughout that period and then buried by HHH at WM19 was one of the worst pieces of work by teh E that I have ever seen. Whereas the heat he has generated in his new persona has really gone over brilliantly with the fans, his feuds with HBK and Cena this year have been magnificent. That isn't to say I didn't love the old jericho, I did, absolutely loved him, but I accept now that change is needed, at least for the time being anyway, but I wouldn't worry, I expect whenever jericho next turns face we may get a return to the Y2J days.

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Bet Vince is pissed. He's done brilliantly to keep the Christian story completely under wraps, there was that woeful rumour that Val Venis was seen with Christian at Raw, but apart from that there's been nothing on any of the rumour sites about Cage. Dixie coming out and saying that just helps dampen the hype for when he does return, like what happened with Jericho.

I doubt Vince will mind that much to be honest, it's pretty clear that Dixie Carter was going to do this from the word go.

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Ziggler > Swagger. Swaggers got talent though, just don't think hes good enough on the mic, probably because of the lisp tbh. Morrison's the future of the WWE as well, he'll be the champ in a year or two. Going to be very good. I have to say, WWE > TNA comfortably atm.

Swagger's got his first PPV match at the Royal Rumble as well btw, first defense of his title taking on Matt Hardy (Y). Really wanting to watch the Rumble now, just annoying that it's on Box Office, and frankly I'm not willing to pay ?14 for a PPV except possibly Wrestlemania. Sky really need to bring the PPV's back to SS1/2/3, annoys me that basically every PPV is on Box Office now.

The E clearly want to push Swagger hard, wouldn't be surprised to see him packaged up in a "New Kurt Angle" type role to be honest, and let's face it, he is that good. One of the best young talents they have on any roster at the moment.

Also on that note...did anyone see Shelton v Undertaker a few weeks back, my word that was good.

Also, it's hardly surprising that Sky Sports now make people pay for...PPV events, they are....pay per view after all.

 

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Went to see The Wrestler last night, thought it was really excellent to be honest, provides an interesting insight into the lives of indy workers etc.. A very powerful film, highly reccommend.

 

[King Pietersen]

The E clearly want to push Swagger hard, wouldn't be surprised to see him packaged up in a "New Kurt Angle" type role to be honest, and let's face it, he is that good. One of the best young talents they have on any roster at the moment.

No he's not. I'm not doubting the lads talent, but as good as Angle? Definitely not. He's got the potential to come close, but you can't say right now that he's as good as Angle. Even in Angle's early days in WWE he was better than Swagger is now. Angle's almost technically perfect, he's easily the best wrestler in the world right now (Unless the ROH fanboys are to be believed with Bryan Danielson), and I can't see Swagger matching him. Angle consistently puts out fantastic match after fantastic match. He can work with everyone and make them look as good as him. His match against an old, someone out of touch Jarrett proved that, was a magnificent match, and possibly my fave of the year so far after Shelley-Sabin.

Swagger's going to be a big part in the WWE's future, but I can't see him ever being as good as Angle.

Agree about The Wrestler, fantastic film, so emotionally charged, whilst also being a fantastic, if somewhat over dramatised look into the world of an Indy wrestler. The 'juicing' was hilariously done, if any of the pro's juiced themselves like that it'd be so ridiculously obvious, he took about 5 minutes to get it done haha. Was nice to see a few famous faces in there as well, like Ron Killings, Jay Lethal, Necro Butcher, Ernest 'The Cat' Miller and a few others. Awesome film, Rourke's performance was outstanding.

 

[sledger]

With regards to Swagger, I meant that he was more than good enough to perform the same sort of role for the E as Kurt Angle did, as in a top drawer ME performer, not that he was on a par with him in terms of actual ability.

 

[Yogy]

Randy claims that he is suffering from some mental disorder. I believe him. If you see his reactions after he punted Vince, he was in a state of shock.

 

[sledger]

Obviously Kayfabe.


On another note, it looks like they are going to seriously go through with Jericho vs Mickey Rourke at Wrestlemania, though the idea has some merits, I think this could turn out awful, If Jericho is made to job, it will be one of the worst burials ever...

 

[King Pietersen]

You're joking aren't you? Why do the WWE insist on having a joke match every year? Was Mayweather-Big Show last year and Rourke-Jericho this year, what are they playing at? What a waste of Jericho's talent.

 

[sledger]

And on another note, just watched RAW, loving this Shane/Orton angle, really good stuff.

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You're joking aren't you? Why do the WWE insist on having a joke match every year? Was Mayweather-Big Show last year and Rourke-Jericho this year, what are they playing at? What a waste of Jericho's talent.

At least the Mayweather angle was slightly credible, with him being a pro fighter and all, but this just reminds me of the awful David Arquette affair that WCW tried to pull with Russo in charge. This will be awful, and yes, I agree, it is a massive waste of Jericho's talent. Quite frankly, if this is to happen, Jericho must win, or all his hard earned credibility will be down the drain.

However, it will generate a lot of mainstream publicity for Chris Jericho and the WWE and it certainly shows that the WWE has a lot of faith in the talents and abilities of Chris Jericho in that his natural charisma, promo skills and outstanding in ring talents will somehow manage to carry Mickey Rourke to a decent and entertaining match.

That said, I'm not at all in favour of this. But then again, the only other alternative match I could come up with for Jericho would be to have him face HHH, and that would almost certainly end in a burial, so this may not be the worst thing ever, from a Jericho fans POV anyway.

 

[King Pietersen]

Nah, if it goes ahead Jericho will lose. Apparently Rourke has been working incredibly hard on his in-ring skills. He was asked for the film to learn some basic skills but was apparently in the ring every morning for 6 months, so if he works hard in the lead up to Wrestlemania he could put in a good match with Jericho. I'm still against it though, I'd like to see Triple H-Jericho or even Y2J in the MITB.

 

[sledger]

Though Jericho would add quality and depth to the MITB, essentially we all know that he would only participate in a filler role ala Shelton Benjamin, he won't win it. I would rather see him given a meaningful match that he has a realistic chance of winning...this isn't good, but I would say there is hope for it...albeit a slim hope.

 

[Karachi Xpress]

Just saw RR and saw RVD on it, so was wondering if he is actually coming back to WWE or was it just a one night appearance??

 

[sledger]

One night only, dissapointingly.

 

[Karachi Xpress]

I thought he was actually coming back