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I wasn't saying that Unifying the Tag Belts was a bad thing, if you read my post. I was saying that, IMO, unifying the WWE and the World Heavyweight Titles would be a bad thing.

Ok, it might sound good, but when you think about it, it's really not. Think of the long, long list of people who would be fighting over it, it would actually decrease competition. There'd end up being 4 or 5 guys - Triple H, Batista yada yada, who'd get it, and the likes of CM Punk and Jeff Hardy wouldn't even get a look in. That's surely a bad thing, no?

Also, I was pointing out...how on earth can they justify unifying the top two belts in the company, but having TWO Womens' Titles?

Well, firstly, the two diva's titles will obviously have to be merged as well, probably sooner rather than later, because it has been even more of a flop than everyone predicted.

Secondly, if you look around, the main event is already limited to about 4-5 guys. The amount of time that the world titles have been held by one of HHH, Undertaker, Edge, Batista or Cena is massively outweighs the amount of time they have been held by anyone else. When there was one world title you actually genuinely got the impression that whoever held it was at the very top of the company. Two world titles devalues the achievement as a whole. Besdies, on the odd occasion when Jeff Hardy and CM Punk and suchlike hold a world title their reigns are either extremely short lived or booked badly and spent getting beaten on by people less deserving than they are (see Batista, Dave). The argument that one title would actually create less competition is questionable to say the least, sure it would make competition tougher for those wanting to reach the top, but it wouldn't decrease competition at all.

Speaking of the WWE title, i'm hoping and praying that Orton somehow takes it from HHH at Backlash, any other result has to be considered a huge dissapointment, and a massive blow to Orton's credibility. I'm still trying to get over quite how bad the WM match was.
 
Has anyone ever liked the Brand split?

I have never really been a fan, but accept that at the time of its creation it was neccesary to sustain the anount of workers on the roster. However, I feel that it probably should have ended around 2006 when the smackdown side of the brand became very weak, and RAW wasnt exactly great throughout that period either. It should probably be hit on the head and ended really, nobody seems to really pay attention to the draft split anyway, with guys from smackdown showing up on RAW all the time and vice versa, in fact come to think of it, most of the matches on the WM card this year were interpromotional.
 
The thing is, the Brand has created more opportunities for average wrestlers or decent wrestlers with a poor gimmick.
 
Damn shame Stone Cold and The Rock aren't in it anymore, it's not been the same ever since. Stone Cold can't wrestle due to injury whereas the Rock is concentrating on 'acting'. Is that accurate?
 
Damn shame Stone Cold and The Rock aren't in it anymore, it's not been the same ever since. Stone Cold can't wrestle due to injury whereas the Rock is concentrating on 'acting'. Is that accurate?

Yep. That's true. Stone Cold actually almost died before his last match but he wanted to give the fans something to remember him by at Wrestlemania XIX. A true great. He was just so damn cool.
 
Name one who had any long term success.

What do you mean? I mean that the ECW brand has allowed wrestlers like Mark Henry, Kane, etc compete when they are obviously not up to it.
 
What do you mean? I mean that the ECW brand has allowed wrestlers like Mark Henry, Kane, etc compete when they are obviously not up to it.

And promoting wrestlers who are "not up to it" is a good thing then in your opinion?

This is my entire point, the brand split does not promote talent, it promotes mediocrity.
 
That's what I was talking about. It led on from my claim that the company was in a decline because too many bad wrestlers got a push.
 
No probs. It's admirable that Vince keeps these wrestlers on rather than going, 'You're a bit old now, you're fired' but it's one of the MANY reasons WWE is in a decline. (Even the name's got worse even if that's not their fault.) I'm not that knowledgeable as far as wrestling goes but this is my two pence.

Pushing bad wrestlers, giving people like Cena and Batista title shots when they can barely turn let alone wrestle, poor gimmicks, a shift in fan base towards little children, crap title belts, etc. There's no more excitement in it for me.
 
I know Cena and Batista might not be the best 'wrestlers' but at least they've got charisma and I'm not as bored by them (just my two cents). The only reason I still watch the WWE (though very rarely) is because of Triple H, HBK, Cena, Batista, Edge and Undertaker. It's time they turned Triple H heel again and pit him against HBK. I liked Mr. Kennedy as well but I'm not sure where he is now.
 
I highly doubt there will be a title unification, anyway. It was just something I read and picked up on. If anything, Vince is and will be trying to expand the WWE brand, not consolidate it. Hence, the new WWE Superstars show. Quite how it's any different to WWE Heat, I don't know, but it's starting soon, and will be interesting to see quite how bad the ratings are for that. I seem to remember Heat getting about 0.5/0.6 ratings. Dear oh dear. I don't see the point in Vince creating this. Okay, it gives a little chance for TV time for the lower-card performers, but why not just sack them and save some money, or stick them on ECW to make the new, young talent look good?
 
I know Cena and Batista might not be the best 'wrestlers' but at least they've got charisma and I'm not as bored by them (just my two cents). The only reason I still watch the WWE (though very rarely) is because of Triple H, HBK, Cena, Batista, Edge and Undertaker. It's time they turned Triple H heel again and pit him against HBK. I liked Mr. Kennedy as well but I'm not sure where he is now.

It really isn't, this feud has been done to death, it would be pointless to do it again, it went horribly stale last time round, so revisiting this (unless perhaps it results in a 1 v 1 wrestlemania match) should not be revived.

As for Mr Kennedy, he should be making his in ring comeback soon I would have thought. Were it not for injuries I would have thought he would have held a world title by now, alas, as it stands he is a long way down the pecking order.

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I highly doubt there will be a title unification, anyway. It was just something I read and picked up on. If anything, Vince is and will be trying to expand the WWE brand, not consolidate it. Hence, the new WWE Superstars show. Quite how it's any different to WWE Heat, I don't know, but it's starting soon, and will be interesting to see quite how bad the ratings are for that. I seem to remember Heat getting about 0.5/0.6 ratings. Dear oh dear. I don't see the point in Vince creating this. Okay, it gives a little chance for TV time for the lower-card performers, but why not just sack them and save some money, or stick them on ECW to make the new, young talent look good?

The creation of this show will almost certainly spell the end of ECW, and possibly Smackdown as well. Apparently it is meant to feature matches that arent shown on any other of the TV shows and include all of the top guys from each brand. I doubt it will be used to showcase the lower-card performers as that is pretty much what ECW is. The entire purpose of the show will be to raise the awareness of WWE and make some more cash. Will be interesting to see how it turns out, though I don't have high hopes.

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No probs. It's admirable that Vince keeps these wrestlers on rather than going, 'You're a bit old now, you're fired' but it's one of the MANY reasons WWE is in a decline. (Even the name's got worse even if that's not their fault.) I'm not that knowledgeable as far as wrestling goes but this is my two pence.

Pushing bad wrestlers, giving people like Cena and Batista title shots when they can barely turn let alone wrestle, poor gimmicks, a shift in fan base towards little children, crap title belts, etc. There's no more excitement in it for me.

Depends which way you look at it really, that is one way you could argue it, but on the other hand....more TV show = extra tv revenue = more title belts, more wrestlers = more merchandising opportunities = more $$$ for Vince.

I don't blame the E for pushing Cena and Batista, as they are the type of characters that appeal to a lot of the general american demograph, and despite the fact that so many don't like them, it is impossible to deny the fact that they draw big and have been a great success.

Similarly, the pandering to a child audience cannot really be helped. The fact of the matter is, fewer and fewer adults have been watching wrestling since the Chris Benoit incident, one of the reasons the E have to focus on a child audience is because these days this is their biggest potential market. Failure to play to this fact would see them lose money, so it's only good business sense, I don't neccesarily like this, but it's just the way things have gone, so they aren't completely to blame for it.
 

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