2011 World Cup Pre-Event Discussion

Post World Cup, I am sure both of these (Rahane & Pujara) will get a look in. Selectors would have to stop with this over generosity towards Sharma.

Parthiv looked more a batsman in just 2 ODIs against weakened NZ team, then hit n miss KKD ever did in his numerous chances. Surely would have him (Parthiv) as a back-up keeper. BTW don't really see the need of having an extra keeper in 15 at all. If at all Dhoni is injured with WC in subcontinent can't we have one extra individual travelling around? I would really want to get in a wrist spinner, not having any in the 15 doesn't feel right any longer. 2 offies and 1 leggie ( Chawla or Mishra).
 
Preliminary squad: MS Dhoni, Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, Gautam Gambhir, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra, Sreesanth, Munaf Patel, Ishant Sharma, Vinay Kumar, M Vijay, Rohit Sharma, Ravindra Jadeja, Ajinkya Rahane, Saurabh Tiwary, Yusuf Pathan, Parthiv Patel, R Ashwin, Wriddhiman Saha, Dinesh Karthik, Shikhar Dhawan, Amit Mishra, Piyush Chawla, Cheteshwar Pujara, Pragyan Ojha, Praveen Kumar

I'll pick Ashwin ahead of Ojha.

@Akshay - Sreesanth? You surely aren't serious.
 
@ User2010

May I ask you the same w.r.t Parthiv Patel ? None of the keepers that have been selected are good. My only point is - if at all you are to select a keeper, you better select one who has been tested for a longer period- in this case KKD. Patel-he was kicked out cause his keeping was not up to the mark. The last two ODIs haven't exactly shown us as to how has he improved.

Your defence for Patel starts off with the fact that he is a good bat. What we actually need is a person to hold on to the balls. We have quite a few batsmen in the team.

To some extent I do agree with relentless_rock ,we don't need a keeper to gobble up an extra place. If at all the captain gets injured, some one can fill in.
 
By your logic we ought to select the top run-scorers and top wicket takers in the domestic arena and put them in the squad. Thats preposterous.
Umm...no it isn't. 80% of the selections made for International sides world wide are done that way. In India alone it's how Sachin, VVS, Pujara, Harbhajan, Ojha, Sharma, Ishant, and I'm sure a few others got picked...

Domestic Cricket, A Team and U-19 team are the basis on which players are picked, with a handful being picked on potential or the selectors liking what they saw.

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@ User2010

May I ask you the same w.r.t Parthiv Patel ? None of the keepers that have been selected are good. My only point is - if at all you are to select a keeper, you better select one who has been tested for a longer period- in this case KKD. Patel-he was kicked out cause his keeping was not up to the mark. The last two ODIs haven't exactly shown us as to how has he improved.

Your defence for Patel starts off with the fact that he is a good bat. What we actually need is a person to hold on to the balls. We have quite a few batsmen in the team.

To some extent I do agree with relentless_rock ,we don't need a keeper to gobble up an extra place. If at all the captain gets injured, some one can fill in.
Patel has prior Nat experience...where he batted quite well at the Test level against some pretty good bowling attacks. His batting ability at Nat level was never under pressure, he always looked like he could deliver the goods. At one time it seemed he could make the India side on batting alone.

If his keeping has improved from inconsistent to decent, then he is definitely the second best choice in India. KDK has been pwning at Domestic level, but always fails to convert at Nat level. True he's been shuffled around a lot, but he hasn't made the most of his chances. Parthiv has.

Added bonus with Parthiv in the squad is that we don't need Vijay anymore are a reserve opener. Shewag, Sachin and Gambhir at 3. If either of Sehwag or Sachin get injured, Parthiv can open. If Gambhir's injured, then I supposed Parthiv could bat at 3. And Parthiv has been in better touch than Vijay too.


And seriously, we need a reserve keeper if Dhoni gets injured. It's just insane to go to a World Cup without a reserve wicketkeeper.
2 keepers, 6 bowlers, 6 batsmen, 1 allrounder. Ideal squad balance. MSD, Parthiv, Ojha, Bhajji, Zak, Munaf, Praveen, Nehra, Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Raina, Kohli, Yuvi, Yusuf.

Yusuf Pathan isn't much of an allrounder, but he's probably going to get picked anyways. I'd rather go for an extra batsman, which in this case would be Rohit Sharma or Murali Vijay (they won't go for someone uncapped and I figure Dravid will almost certainly not be picked). Plus Yusuf's fairly handy as a third spinner in Indian conditions.
 
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I'd rather select a WK batsman than a WK alone which Karthik seems to be currently.

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Added bonus with Parthiv in the squad is that we don't need Vijay anymore are a reserve opener. Shewag, Sachin and Gambhir at 3. If either of Sehwag or Sachin get injured, Parthiv can open. If Gambhir's injured, then I supposed Parthiv could bat at 3. And Parthiv has been in better touch than Vijay too.
This. Karthik can also open but, he hasn't managed to deliver in the chances he has got.
 
Should be merged, yes.


Isn't Irfan injured? I figured that's why he isn't in the final 30. He should definitely be there if fit.

No real problems with the squad otherwise.

3 keepers are a must in a 30 man probables IMO. Basically it's 2 playing XIs and 8 subs. So 3 keepers.

4 is a touch too many...I guess Saha's the weakest option of the last. Uthappa could have gotten the nod over him, he's a part-time keeper too.

Mahendra Singh Dhoni, Virender Sehwag, Sachin Tendulkar, Gautam Gambhir, Virat Kohli, Yuvraj Singh, Suresh Raina, Harbhajan Singh, Zaheer Khan, Ashish Nehra, Munaf Patel, Yusuf Pathan, Parthiv Patel, Pragyan Ojha, Praveen Kumar.

Most likely final 15. Although Ashwin, Karthik, Sreesanth, Ishant, Sharma and Vijay are close.
Anyone of Munaf, Ojha, Parthiv, Yusuf, Kohli could be left out for one of the above.

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^The boards have to finalize the 15 man squads by January 19 which is a bit harsh tbh, it gives little time for the teams in the Southern Hemisphere to practice as most of the international cricket occurs around this time and the chances for players to prove themselves are few.
TBH a nation has had 4 years to prepare for the WC, if you don't know the best 30 players in your country and/or have an idea of who your best 15 should be by now, it's your own fault. The whole last year should have been building to deciding the best 15 players, by now it should be certain with a few spots to be decided.
 
Well done it is then. We do not need an extra keeper in the side. Personally haven't been a fan of Parthiv and wouldn't want to see him near the WC side too.

Another major question is that of the all-rounder- will they zero in on Yusuf or Jadeja ? I think the former is a better option.
 
Yeah, Yusuf over Jadeja. We don't have any other option too, do we?
 
Not Jadeja. He isn't in form, and even if he was, I think he's lost confidence in himself at Nat level. He still did just perform brilliantly for Saurashtra, but he might not have the confidence to convert that at Nat level. He needs time in FC cricket.

Yusuf on the other hand, brimming with confidence, hasn't done much wrong recently. The technical flaws remain but given what subcontinental pitches are like, he should be able to overcome them. And he is getting the job done with the ball too.

Wouldn't pick either tho, would prefer another pure bat, or another seamer. 6 batsmen 1 keeper 4 bowlers is the way to go. Yusuf should not be in the top 6, and doesn't provide a lot of confidence at 7 incase of a collapse.

I would love to see them experiment with Yusuf though. Let him float up and down the order and use him like a pinch hitter. If the pitch is flat maybe send him up in the first 15, and take the power play early while he's there.
 
The only problem with Patel as 2nd keeper is that if he replaces dhoni(if he's injured), he would bat at no.7, he has been effective when he has opened, not sure if he can do good down at no.7
 
And seriously, we need a reserve keeper if Dhoni gets injured. It's just insane to go to a World Cup without a reserve wicketkeeper.
2 keepers, 6 bowlers, 6 batsmen, 1 allrounder. Ideal squad balance. MSD, Parthiv, Ojha, Bhajji, Zak, Munaf, Praveen, Nehra, Sehwag, Sachin, Gambhir, Raina, Kohli, Yuvi, Yusuf.

Need to clarify one thing if theres no reserve keeper in 15, and going into a match in few days time we know that Dhoni is injured, is there a rule not permitting Parthiv to come into the squad in place of Dhoni and keep wickets?
 
The only problem with Patel as 2nd keeper is that if he replaces dhoni(if he's injured), he would bat at no.7, he has been effective when he has opened, not sure if he can do good down at no.7
That would be the problem with anyone. Karthik won't be able to do much, Saha maybe? Uthappa would have fit into that position but he isn't in the list.
 
Need to clarify one thing if theres no reserve keeper in 15, and going into a match in few days time we know that Dhoni is injured, is there a rule not permitting Parthiv to come into the squad in place of Dhoni and keep wickets?
Don't know really. That's a good point, can we replace someone in the final 15 if they get injured?
 
Also i don't understand why so much importance is given to yusuf and the need for all-rounder in team. When we don't have a world-class all rounder better not to field a player who can't justify his place in team.

Yuvi/Raina/Sehwag can bowl 10 overs at decent rr and do same job as yusuf can do and they can bring in kohli into team, it will add a lot of strength into the batting order.
 
With Zaheer, Munaf and Nehra in 15 you now which village level cricket skill you are bringing to the side. Never would I have Munaf and Nehra both make into 15, leave alone into playing XI. 1 of them would be enough of a challenge!
 

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