Alastair Cook: 10,000 Man

[Neo 7]

There's nothing to appreciate Cook too much.
KP's record = 8181 when he was dropped 3 years ago
So he would have been the first Englishmen.

And more so, Cook made those 36 runs to reach 10,000 in 3 innings
against a mediocre bowling lineup.

 

[Satan666]

There's nothing to appreciate Cook too much.
KP's record = 8181 when he was dropped 3 years ago
So he would have been the first Englishmen.

And more so, Cook made those 36 runs to reach 10,000 in 3 innings
against a mediocre bowling lineup.

*Englishman, which naturally he aint rather an English player.
*Yes 36 runs out of 10,000 are very, very, very significant!

 

[blockerdave]

There's nothing to appreciate Cook too much.
KP's record = 8181 when he was dropped 3 years ago
So he would have been the first Englishmen.

And more so, Cook made those 36 runs to reach 10,000 in 3 innings
against a mediocre bowling lineup.

the thing is, when KP was sacked, he was injured and not fit enough to play tests. he is unlikely to have played every test in the intervening period so may not have reached it first. but it would have been a battle, and an interesting one and i think it's sad we missed out on it.

but you're right - i'm not accepting Cook stands head and shoulders above other England players of the era when KP's record was very similar and he was denied the opportunity to do what Cook has done for spurious reasons. More importantly, the best batsman of the era is Root, by a country effing mile. Root will smash any record Cook sets.

 

[MUFC1987]

I don't see where all this talk about ability has come from. It doesn't matter whether we all think he's the most talented player ever (he's obviously not) or whether he's a hack who just got lucky. And it doesn't matter whether he's the first Englishman or not. I'm sure that's perhaps good for him, but it doesn't matter. I merely stated that anyone who gets to 10,000 runs has to be considered as a great of the game. Does that indicate ability? Not really. It just indicates that he is damn good at scoring runs. That's why there is 10,000 of them. I can't see how it can be his fault that he plays now rather than 20 years ago, when I'm sure he would have averaged 5 or something, according to most people here. Although, I could argue that if he got to face a team like Zimbabwe he'd probably have gotten to 10,000 runs much quicker. But hey, it's all speculation. What can't be changed is that he will be mentioned alongside the likes of Ponting, Lara, Tendulkar etc, just like Steve Waugh and Rahul Dravid are now.

Although, I will mention that it is ironic that he's being labelled as nowhere near as good as Joe Root, who opened the batting and failed miserably against the quick bowlers moving the ball around, yet that is Cook's major weakness apparently.

 

[blockerdave]

Although, I will mention that it is ironic that he's being labelled as nowhere near as good as Joe Root, who opened the batting and failed miserably against the quick bowlers moving the ball around, yet that is Cook's major weakness apparently.

A) Root isn't an opener. B)Root had one series. Cook has had series where he's failed, though you'd have to take your head out of his ring piece to see that.

 

[MUFC1987]

So if he's not an opener, are you suggesting it's harder opening the batting? Pretty impressive that someone can get 10,000 runs doing so, if that's the case.....

And you seem to have misunderstood, I'm not particularly a Cook fan, just as I'm not particularly a fan of James Anderson. But if you can't appreciate that they're both very good at what they do, then I suggest it's you who needs a reality check, rather than hurling abuse in your posts.

 

[blockerdave]

So if he's not an opener, are you suggesting it's harder opening the batting? Pretty impressive that someone can get 10,000 runs doing so, if that's the case.....

And you seem to have misunderstood, I'm not particularly a Cook fan, just as I'm not particularly a fan of James Anderson. But if you can't appreciate that they're both very good at what they do, then I suggest it's you who needs a reality check, rather than hurling abuse in your posts.

If you can show me where I've said hitting 10k runs isn't an excellent achievement, or said Cook isn't good at what he does, I'd be grateful.

For the record I've just said earlier today that Cook's great talent is maximising every opportunity and squeezing everything out of the times things are in his favour. That's a great thing to have.

 

[bigred]

It's embarrassing that we have this chat about a player who achieves what he has done.

 

[Yash.]

Finish the topic. We are here to celebrate cooks 10k not see who is better. For that create another thread named "Alastair Cook v Rest Of the World"

 

[blockerdave]

It's embarrassing that we have this chat about a player who achieves what he has done.

It's embarrassing that you and mufc take any contextualising of the achievement as a slight.

 

[Neo 7]

For Mohammad Amir !

 

[blockerdave]

a) This is the wrong thread
b)Mohammad Amir was not convicted of match fixing, but spot fixing. I think there is quite difference. And bowling a no-ball to order is I think the mild end of the spot-fixing spectrum.

 

[_Sam_]

a) This is the wrong thread
b)Mohammad Amir was not convicted of match fixing, but spot fixing. I think there is quite difference. And bowling a no-ball to order is I think the mild end of the spot-fixing spectrum.

Fairly confident that Cook was referring to both spot and match fixing from the context of what he said.

 

[blockerdave]

Fairly confident that Cook was referring to both spot and match fixing from the context of what he said.

from the context of him saying match fixing and not mentioning spot fixing?

 

[_Sam_]

from the context of him saying match fixing and not mentioning spot fixing?

From the context of him saying match fixers should all be permanently banned but then immediately saying he understands why Amir (who was a spot fixer, yet Cook still referenced specifically in the same statement) wasn't banned, because there wasn't anything in place saying he should he permanently banned for it at the time.