All-Time ODi XI

B) Pietersen plays for England. We're rubbish. Pietersen made his debut in a series we got whitewashed in, and still scored 3 hundreds. That's poor reasoning for picking De Silva.

Actually, you lost 4-1 in a 7 match series where 2 matches were washed out.

:p

Also, he made his debut against Zimbabwe, a series which you won 4-0. So his debut wasn't made in a series in which you were whitewashed, his debut was made in a series in which the opposing team was whitewashed.

:p
 
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Shut up. :p

Zimbabwe doesn't count, as they're not a proper country, and I knew we got hammered by South Africa, so shut it alright. ;p. The fact remains, KP plays for as crap a side as De Silva did, and still dominates attacks and is incredibly influential to how well England perform. Without KP, England would be screwed.
 
A) Why's that a good reason for picking him? I thought the premise of a World XI is that they are playing today, so the score of 220 isn't enough, and De Silva would just be slowing the run rate. His record just has nothing on KP.
B) Pietersen plays for England. We're rubbish. Pietersen made his debut in a series we got whitewashed in, and still scored 3 hundreds. That's poor reasoning for picking De Silva.
C) Maybe, but with England, if Pietersen fails, we lose. The stats tell this, Pietersen's average in losses is 38, his average in win's is 73. If Pietersen scores well, we generally win, if he fails, we lose.

Also, this is an All-time XI, meaning that you pick 4 bowlers and an all-rounder who are capable of bowling 10 overs a piece to win a game, you shouldn't need part-time off-spin from your batsmen. Again, awful reasoning for denying someone who's 3rd on the all-time ODI batting averages list. Just seems to me that alot of you are just picking players from the past generations for the sake of it. If a modern player is better than one from the past, then he gets in the side, and Pietersen is a fantastic player, and deserves at least consideration, and is definitely far better than De Silva.

a) If de Silva were playing in this day and age, I'm pretty sure he'd adapt. He was a class act. I've actually seen several videos of him bat, and he's really good. 220 was a standard score there with more bowler friendly pitches and some real quality bowlers, he'd do well nowdays.
b) Silva couldn't afford to attack and dominate, and would often had to bat for time in order to let his team build, hence several slow and long knocks that bring his stats down. Plus the conditions didn't help. KP's done well, but I'm sure the current England side is better than the Sri Lanka side back then. Sri Lanka back then were the Kenya of now. The likes of De Silva, Ranatunga, Murali, Vaas, Jayasuriya, have made them what they are today.
c) So he's the same as KP in this regard.

de Silva played in a time of less professionalism. Lower fitness levels, less intensity, less pressure. It's hard to compare him with KP cause someone like KP would have worked much harder and would be far more well rounded than almost any player back 10-20 years ago. The difference is, I've seen both, and de Silva is full of class and would be impossible to dismiss when the others around him fell. He would keep strike, hit boundaries, and bat long. Atleast in the matches I saw him in he did. He failed against weaker sides or when his team was set, but he was a match-winner through and through. A man you need in a pressure situation. He would play like a God when his side were in trouble, and considering he would have had very little coaching, lower fitness levels, and a possibly less-rounded game, it was all through his fight and determination. And I like that. And it's not like he had a bad technique either.

de Silva might not be an ODI legend, but he fits into my team very nicely. Comes in at 6 when the side is either in trouble, or needs some big hits, both which he could provide. He could bat as the situation required, and had more than enough skill to score 100s from 6. Adds a very neat spin option to keep Murali in company if need be, and is a safe pair of hands in the slips. Also very experienced. KP isn't a legend yet, he still has a long way to go. Also, I doubt he'd have the same flexibility Silva did.

And the offspin comment was a joke...but yes, it would help. I've got 5 bowlers, but if the pitch is turning, I'm only with Warne as the spinner. Could use some of his offbreaks.
 
So you're basing your whole argument on the fact that you've seen 'a few videos' of De Silva batting? Surely if you were looking for a batsman who's going to bat slow and get the team out of trouble you'd go for Bevan? He's renowned as one of the best finishers in the history of the game, and I'd definitely go for him ahead of De Silva if you really want someone who's going to battle and grind out a winning position. KP was an easy choice for my team, not only because I'm a KP fanboy, but he's got the 3rd highest ODi average of anyone to play the game, and is only beaten by 2 guys that have far more not outs to their names. An average of 48, whilst playing alot of his games in England is no mean feat, KP's going to end his career as a great of the game, and the fact he's getting better means his average probably won't drop much, if at all.

Yeh, that's another point. Why Warne ahead of Murali? Murali's played more games, and still has a better record. Warne might offer more with the bat, but he only score 1 half century in his ODi career. I'd definitley take Murali ahead of Warne in ODi's, but probably go for Warne in Tests.
 
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I wanted Bevan, but he was competing with Klusener for a spot. It was a harsh call. I may still include Bevan, but De Silva's bowling is handy.


And I'm a Warne fanboy. Sue me :p He was an excellent ODI bowler, especially for a legspinner. He, Waqar and Wasim make probably the most attacking combination in an ODI bowling lineup, unless you add someone like Donald or Bond to the mix. Pollock is the only restrictive style bowler I have.


Oh, and few videos means I've seen atleast 6-7 different matches featuring him batting for Sri Lanka, some of which they won. He's excellent.

I'm also thinking about sticking Javed Miandad somewhere in there...
 
S.Tendulkar
M.Hayden
R.Dravid
K.Pietersen
M.Bevan
MS.Dhoni
R.Hadlee
A.Flintoff
Wasim Akram
M.Muralitharan
Glenn Mcgrath

Ponting will be the 12th man
Pretty strong lineup with almost equal importance given to all nation players.
I dont know how people forget to include Dravid in their lineup.
 
Wont care.Can score some lusty blows at the death when batting first.And do the same when the team needs to chase a large target.
But yeah Ill swap his position with Hadlee.Will look good then.
 
S.Jayasuriya
A.Gilchrist (wk)
B.Lara
V.Richards
K.Pietersen
Yuvraj Singh
A.Symonds
Wasim Akram
J.Garner
A.Mendis
A.Donald

I don't care who is in your lineup, they will be scared of mine because of sheer matchwinning potential.
 
Matthew Hayden
Sachin Tendulkar
Sir Viv Richards (C)
Jacques Kallis
Kevin Pietersen
MS Dhoni (WK)
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Muttiah Muralitharan
Glenn McGrath

Just thought I'd update to say that I'm making a change to my side, with Flintoff being replaced by the South African big hitter, Lance Klusener. He's got a fantastic batting record, averaging 40 at a very good strike rate, and was a very good finsher. He's also a very handy bowler, averaging 29. So he and Jacques Kallis will share the 5th set of 10 overs. Very happy with that side tbh.

I'd agree with lol'ing at Yuvraj, but you could justify Andrew Symonds' place. An average of 40, with 6 hundreds, a good finisher and a really big hitter, plus a useful part-time bowler. I wouldn't pick him personally, but he's certainly a decent option.
 
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saw a few sides in here without Tendulkar. Not having Tendulkar in a All-Time ODI XI is like not having the Don in a all time test XI.
 
Sachin Tendulkar
Matthew Hayden
Brian Lara
Sir Viv Richards (c)
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist (wk)
Lance Klusener
Shaun Pollock
Wasim Akram
Muralithuran
Glen McGrath

Sachin and Hayden are a fantastic opening pair. Hayden would be more attacking than Tendulkar and Tendulkar would be go steadily. Tendulkar has a brilliant average at number 2, unquestionable in my opinion. Brian Lara at number 3 and Sir Viv at number 4 would work very well in my opinion. Lara was best at number 3 and Sir Viv was one of the greatest of all time.

Kallis is in my opinion the best all rounder of the modern day and needs to be in there. He's attacking and destructive and very handing with the ball. Klusener is pretty much the same as well. Gilly should be in the team, I wouldn't put Dhoni in just yet. Gilly proved himself his entire career and would be a great ending to the batting along with Klusener. Two destructive lower order batsmen.

Murali doesn't really need explaining to be honest lol. He's the best ever spinner in ODI cricket. Akram was just phenomenal, what he could do with the ball was just amazing to watch. Pollock and McGrath bring stability into the bowling line up as well, they could really keep the economy low.
 
1. Adam Gilchrist (wk)
2. Sachin Tendulkar
3. Sir Vivian Richards
4. Brian Lara
5. Jacques Kallis
6. Michael Bevan
7. Lance Klusenar
8. Wasim Akram
9. Glenn Mcgrath
10. Joel Garner
11. Muttiah Muralitharan

Not happy with that, tbh, but it'll do for now.
 
Sanath Jayasuria
Sachin Tendulkar
Brian Lara
Ricky Ponting
Jacques Kallis
Adam Gilchrist
Lance Klusener
Wasim Akram
Shane Warne
Glenn Mcgrath
Muralitharan
 

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