Asia Cup 2014

[zeustrojanstark]

Unhappy to the core. Ashwin

Well played Afridi. Congrats to the better team.

 

[grkrama]

Well played Afridi. Congrats to the better team.

He is the only batsman i have seen that can regularly mistime a ball for six, poor ashwin he had no chance once the bat and ball connected.

 

[icyman]

And these are our WORLD CHAMPIONS....!
India has been unable to finish games. Their batting looks sad; needless to say the bowling situation is worse than it seems. Mr portly Fletcher has not even once owned up to the media what the situation is. Joe Dawes- well just who is he ?
The richest board in the world can afford quality coaches and they ought to go in for that. On foreign tours this team looks worse than Bangladesh- 11-0 is the scoreline in test matches.

This Indian team is incapable of winning. As for 2015, forget the World Cup trophy, we wont even win more than 2 games.

It wont come as a surprise if India lose to Afghanistan on Tuesday. Again, I see the poor Pujara cooling his heels and sun-bathing in Dhaka.

The positive from this game being, we can finally replace R Ashwin with Amit Mishra- the way Mishra bowled was great and I just dont see why the regular captain cannot put enough faith in this guy ?

 

[SaiSrini]

To people blaming Ashwin - guys, take a chill pill.. Yes Ashwin has been bad in recent times, but he had a very good game with the ball today. And, it was a stupid decision to have a spinner bowl the last over, that too for a very high profile/pressure game such as this. A spinner is always an easy target when it comes to getting in the big hits. Ashwin still made it very interesting by picking the wicket of Ajmal in that last over.

And we almost defended 245, which is a very below par score. Its good that Mishra came out well today. 2/28 in 10 is great figures. India needs to give him more chances. Ashwin did well today. 3/44 off 10 overs is excellent figures.

India is out of this Asia Cup. Even if we tie with Sri Lanka or Pakistan on points, they will go ahead purely because both of them have won against us.

 

[surendar]

Chill guys, we need this loss to keep the question 'India not performing well on INTL circuit' OPEN! If we had managed to win this one, the loop holes of we facing pathetic overseas form would have been cleverly closed by everyone & we will get from worse to worst in next tour. Well now atleast we have chances to stay at worse if not better!

I am supporting Afghanistan to create an upset actually against us, lets go Afghans.

 

[surendar]

Lol, I saw this(attached) from one of the FB groups for timepass.

 

[icyman]

Ashwin has been given enough chances. Have you seen his attempts versus BD ? At this stage in international cricket a bowler should not try and change his action. Its simply ridiculous !
Heck ! Even I find it difficult to bowl if I change my action. Alright, I am not comparing myself and my cricket to international standards; but , Ashwin looks lost. Over the past few years he has found support in MSD purely on CSK grounds. He has tried out a variety of bowling actions-none of them seem to work.

The question is not almost defending 245, we let a lesser nation like BD score 278 and SRL beat us while chasing. Ideally SRL should have lost that one.

I am with Suren here- Let the Afghans beat us and the way we are playing, its just a matter of time.

Go Afghans !!!

 

[grkrama]

Ashwin has been given enough chances. Have you seen his attempts versus BD ? At this stage in international cricket a bowler should not try and change his action. Its simply ridiculous !
Heck ! Even I find it difficult to bowl if I change my action. Alright, I am not comparing myself and my cricket to international standards; but , Ashwin looks lost. Over the past few years he has found support in MSD purely on CSK grounds. He has tried out a variety of bowling actions-none of them seem to work.

The question is not almost defending 245, we let a lesser nation like BD score 278 and SRL beat us while chasing. Ideally SRL should have lost that one.

Ashwin is a pretty good bowler though right now he is through a bad patch ever since he started going defensive, So based on his form he can be dropped for mishra or ojha, but he is definitely a good bowler and will be on top once he is in form.

many bowlers Change their actions during the course of their career its nothing new nor something to be alarmed off.

He got into the team because he was the best at that time, much better than Bhaji or mishra at that point infact he was given chance only after warming bench for sometime.

The problems for ashwin are now is in his mind, he has to get rid of the whole defensive mindset, also he needs to stop flaunting his deliveries like a clown, he needs to learn a thing or two from ajmal, who starts bowling his spell like a batsman, he bowls offies first get line length correct, gets his eye in and then once he gets in rythm he uses his arsenal of deliveries and mixes them up.

So i wouldnt drop him saying he is no good at international level, but do it rather as a wake up call so, he sorts out his stuff and comebacks better.

But right now if its a choice between mishra or ashwin i would go with mishra.

 

[SaiSrini]

Though I have criticized Ashwin a lot in recent times, he still has a lot to offer as a bowler. He needs to think properly. If I were him, I would go to Anil Kumble for guidance. I know Anil is a leggie while Ashwin is an offie, but still Kumble and Ashwin are pretty similar in that they are not big turners of the ball and rely on variations and play with patience. Ashwin's mind is all jumbled up now (he did well today though, probably it clicked for him) and he needs a mentor and the right mentor for me IMO is Anil Kumble.

Ashwin is a good spinner (I am not saying this due to my CSK like). He needs to sort his things out, and he can. He is well educated and seems to come from a well to do family, and its generally my belief that under such circumstances, people find it easier to bounce back from crisis (life and career) better.

 

[zeustrojanstark]

Though I have criticized Ashwin a lot in recent times, he still has a lot to offer as a bowler. He needs to think properly. If I were him, I would go to Anil Kumble for guidance. I know Anil is a leggie while Ashwin is an offie, but still Kumble and Ashwin are pretty similar in that they are not big turners of the ball and rely on variations and play with patience. Ashwin's mind is all jumbled up now (he did well today though, probably it clicked for him) and he needs a mentor and the right mentor for me IMO is Anil Kumble.

Ashwin is a good spinner (I am not saying this due to my CSK like). He needs to sort his things out, and he can. He is well educated and seems to come from a well to do family, and its generally my belief that under such circumstances, people find it easier to bounce back from crisis (life and career) better.

He is an Engineer

So he should be brilliant

- A Proud Engineer

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I don't blame Ashwin. I am just upset that he could not finish us the game. I don't really buy the story that Ashwin is selected because he plays for CSK and MSD influence. In these tracks, MSD's presence in the team would have added 30-40 runs extra every game. India missing MSD big time here. If Ashwin is not fit, then who? Go back to the done and dusted Harbhajan again?

 

[abhi_jacko]

It is very simple, Ashwin is our specialist bowler while Jadeja is not. As a skipper, its worth to invest the trust on Ashwin & question him if he doesnt go well rather than gambling with Jadeja & letting him go. That's it, I really don't care what statsguru in cricinfo says.

I have never said Ashwin is useless and we should let him go. I just reacted to a comment which said "We cannot leave Ashwin out of the team'. Until he sorts out his head and starts producing consistent and substantial results, we can no longer count him as our leading spinner.

He has been consistently out-bowled by Jadeja in the recent past. So what is the guarantee that another spinner (Mishra, Ojha, etc) cannot dish out better performances than Ashwin ? Mishra was excellent against Pak yesterday. If I had to go with 3 pacers and 2 spinners, I would pick Mishra and Jadeja. Mishra will be the attacking spin option, while Jadeja will be the allrounder.

Its sad to see 'current form' not amounting to anything when we select our team. We always seem to have this weakness for 'talented, lost, out-of-form' players - Rohit, Ashwin, Ishant.

PS: The stats I produced were from howstat.com.au and not cricinfo :P :P Just saying

 

[harishankar]

The bowlers really cannot be blamed for the defeat yesterday. Thinking about it, if I have to name somebody, I blame Dinesh Karthik for the defeat because he wasted a lot of deliveries while batting and also missed opportunities behind the stumps.

At the stage when Dinesh Karthik got out, his strike rate should have been close to 100, if not more.

Amit Mishra was promising. I would give him a lot more chances. Also Ashwin looked better in this game. The seamers weren't able to control the game in the first 10 overs and also towards the end.

Let's admit the fact that our bowling attack is not strong enough to defend 245 in reasonably good batting conditions.

Blaming Ashwin for conceding 10 runs off 6 balls is wrong. Any bowler can go for plenty at that stage. Luck plays a big factor, and it was Pakistan who nearly lost the match, rather than India nearly winning it. Afridi's two sixes were both streaky, but then on this ground, the ropes were brought in so much. India should have got 260 if not more...

 

[icyman]

Okay, admittedly a lot of Ashwin fans here.

But in the last few games (Tests, ODI & T20), how many times has he made you wonder- 'Oh, thats an unplayable delivery'....or....'What a wicket...completely bamboozled the batsman' ?

He has been quite ineffective as a bowler. Maybe he is India's best. Based on current form, he is no good. I liked the look of Mishra. Mishra was continuously asking questions; something that R Ashwin has been unable to do in the recent past.

TBH, he is a finger-spinner and is unable to turn the ball a great deal. Mishra on the other hand has proven why he ought to be selected. R-Ashwin has gotten too many chances- why not give the same to Amit Mishra ? The management has been biased towards many players. Rohit Sharma, Ishant, Ashwin seem to get more chances even when they are in the worst form of their lives.

There have been some reports by Ganguly who says that Harbhajan could be brought back. I'd say NO to that. If you need spinners, look at the new crop and give them as many chances as the favorites. (Harmeet Singh-U19 hero of 2012)

The reason I'd say Ashwin has been selected more often is definitely cause he is a favorite of the captain(CSK link). Else with such poor form, he would have been subject to the same treatment as a Gambhir or Sehwag.

 

[harishankar]

Ashwin may be part of the problem, but then what about our seamers? The truth is the bowlers seem incapable of bowling a side out in either Test or ODI cricket at the moment.

I grant you that it's time to give Mishra a bigger opportunity in Test cricket as well as ODI cricket when we play overseas. I also agree that it's time to give guys like Varun Aaron and Ishwar Pandey a good run instead of just a couple of matches.

 

[grkrama]

Its sad to see 'current form' not amounting to anything when we select our team. We always seem to have this weakness for 'talented, lost, out-of-form' players - Rohit, Ashwin, Ishant.

Thats the only reason im batting for ashwin, i wouldnt put him the same list as rohit or Ishant , they never delivered while this guy was pretty good in SC in a lot of matches atleast before entering this defensive mode, even after another 100 innnings both rohit and ishant will never change anything, whereas this guy is already trying to change stuff for better or worse, all im saying is he is not hopeless like rohit or ishant, based on current form he should be dropped given time off-field to get his stuff right, meanwhile a better spinner like ojha or mishra or rasool should be given chance.