Asia Cup 2014

[abhi_jacko]

Bullet Points Rant <Begin>
- The fielding and keeping was atrocious. Too many drops and misfields.
- DK was very poor. His mistakes proved critical.
- Dhawan had one of the worst days in the field, thereby cancelling his brilliance with the bat.
- Can we please throw out Rohit. Dhawan has shown marked improvement with the bat. Rohit is still at the same point where he was 2-3 years back. Shamelessly throws away his wickets.
- Whoever is responsible for putting Binny in the squad needs to the b*tch slapped !
Rant <End>

PS: Jaddu out-bowled Ashwin (AGAIN!)

Rayudu/Rohit out and Pujara in.

Definitely Rohit out ! Definitely

 

[Champagnepapi]

Bullet Points Rant <Begin>

- Whoever is responsible for putting Binny in the squad needs to the b*tch slapped !
Rant <End>

I think it was Dhoni "advising" Kohli.

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I wouldn't actually blame Dhawan for anything, yes he misfield-ed which costed us big, but any great fielder can have bad days on the field. If there is one mistake that was made was "Binny", instead of that "0" some one else would have came in and added 10/20 more to that 0. Bowling, if Mishra was picked he would have got the wickets and stay economical.

 

[SaiSrini]

So our hold over Sri Lanka didn't work out today? We've had our foot over them for quite sometime now, and so this to me is almost "an upset".

Back to serious stuff - our team selection continues to be shoddy even in the absence of Dhoni. This makes me wonder if Dhoni was actually the reason for all those selection blunders that happened when he captained the side. Same thing - no Pujara, Rohit continues to play, shoddy selection of Binny when you needed a specialist bowler in the team, continued ignorance of Ishwar Pandey. I have almost no hope in the team now. Kohli cant take charge completely since he is just a stand-in captain. I am kissing our World Cup defence dream goodbye. Hopefully after the WC next year, heads will roll (hopefully!) and we have a fresh group to take over. I am confident we might see a repeat of WC 2007 next year

 

[Epic]

As we were discussing earlier about failure of coaches, this link tells about it:-
India Cricket News: R Ashwin not being handled properly - Maninder Singh | ESPN Cricinfo

Is a batsman being mishandled when he alters his technique and stance?

 

[Parmesh killer]

You just can't blame Kohli's captaincy, tbh I think Dhoni would have done worse in the situation. The truth is that picking Binny is pointless, if Kohli wanted extra medium pace bowling option he has that in him, but a bit slower and if we picked Pujara we were likely to add on 20/30 runs more to the total which would have proved to be crucial runs, surprised no one mentioned him. I think this is a good bowling attack for us, maybe this is what we should do going in to the next game..
Binny out and Bowler in.
Rayudu/Rohit out and Pujara in.

I don't agree with you. The way binny handled mendis in slog and got out, it was really disappointing. A good spinner will help in Indian sub-continent.

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Is a batsman being mishandled when he alters his technique and stance?

Friend Ashwin is trying to do too much experiment which is not a healthy sign. He is lacking originality.

 

[playkid12]

So our hold over Sri Lanka didn't work out today? We've had our foot over them for quite sometime now, and so this to me is almost "an upset".

Back to serious stuff - our team selection continues to be shoddy even in the absence of Dhoni. This makes me wonder if Dhoni was actually the reason for all those selection blunders that happened when he captained the side. Same thing - no Pujara, Rohit continues to play, shoddy selection of Binny when you needed a specialist bowler in the team, continued ignorance of Ishwar Pandey. I have almost no hope in the team now. Kohli cant take charge completely since he is just a stand-in captain. I am kissing our World Cup defence dream goodbye. Hopefully after the WC next year, heads will roll (hopefully!) and we have a fresh group to take over. I am confident we might see a repeat of WC 2007 next year

What I don't understand is that all of these things are so obvious. Anyone with half a brain can notice them. I highly doubt if the selectors are really this stupid. I know that there's a lot of corruption in the selection process, but it's a bit depressing that it's this bad. It's one thing that someone gets into the side from corruption and gets a chance. It's another when he gets in and is persisted with despite not being of international standards.

Stuart Binny has such an awful domestic record. His selection in ODIs makes very little logical sense. Rohit Sharma averages 35 in domestic one dayers, what exactly is he doing playing ODIs?

 

[grkrama]

Rohit Sharma averages 35 in domestic one dayers, what exactly is he doing playing ODIs?

and pujara with a list A average of 54 is bench warming, rohit's list A average is 36 has 2 centuries less than pujara in thrice as many matches, where is the comparison, why is he still in the team.

 

[surendar]

Ashwin should play no matter whether Jadeja gets more wickets or not. I really don't get it in having Pujara on benches. Rohit looks to have Ishant's charm, tough to get rid off!

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and pujara with a list A average of 54 is bench warming, rohit's list A average is 36 has 2 centuries less than pujara in thrice as many matches, where is the comparison, why is he still in the team.

I am really not fan of those stats & figures, but I guess he is sticking on due to his recent 200 in ODIs. Deserves a good polished shiny/brand new bench in the dressing room for his 200.

 

[grkrama]

I am really not fan of those stats & figures, but I guess he is sticking on due to his recent 200 in ODIs. Deserves a good polished shiny/brand new bench in the dressing room for his 200.

Neither am i was saying that because there is an assumption that rohit is better than pujara for odi's.Another interesting fact i read yesterday was after their 200's all the batsman have lost their form badly, sehwag averages 22, rohit 26 and sachin(took some time to loose ) was around 36 i guess after 200.
i would rather have a guy who fights tooth and nail preserving his wicket rather than a talented throwaway.

 

[abhi_jacko]

Ashwin should play no matter whether Jadeja gets more wickets or not.

I dont follow ? Why should Ashwin play if he is being out-bowled by an all rounder ?

That article Epic posted makes very valid points. Thanks to the coach and MSD, Ashwin has been instilled with this mentality that as long as he is restricting runs (which he is not), he is doing an acceptable job. He seems to believe that getting a 1/40 is as good as getting a 4/60.

The end result is this:
Last 10 ODIs, he has taken 5 wickets and given 488 runs.
Its been 32 ODIs, since he took more than a 2 wicket haul

So now we need to decide. Do we want a lead spinner who is content restricting, or do we want to continue our Indian tradition of using spinners as an attacking option ? I hope the majority wants the latter

EDIT: WOW. Just noticed. Ashwin has no 4 wicket hauls in ODIs. Jadeja has four of them including a fifer

 

[asprin]

I think the biggest advantage Ashwin has is that he is the best batsman we have in our lower order. And since the management is obsessed with batting (isn't the majority of people in India?), he gets preference over the other bowlers who may be better than him in bowling, but can't bat.

I'm pretty sure if Ashwin had similar batting skills as Shami, Bhuvi, or Jadeja he wouldn't be in the playing XI based on his bowling performance. The management is looking for someone who can bat down the order and hence Ashwin gets picked in ODIs more often than not.

So it's not a matter of "Aren't there better bowlers than him in the team", but "Are there any better bowling-batsman than him in the team"

 

[Parmesh killer]

I think the biggest advantage Ashwin has is that he is the best batsman we have in our lower order. And since the management is obsessed with batting (isn't the majority of people in India?), he gets preference over the other bowlers who may be better than him in bowling, but can't bat.

I'm pretty sure if Ashwin had similar batting skills as Shami, Bhuvi, or Jadeja he wouldn't be in the playing XI based on his bowling performance. The management is looking for someone who can bat down the order and hence Ashwin gets picked in ODIs more often than not.

You are right. Initially, Ashwin wanted to be a batsman but afterwards he sifted his concentration to spin bowling.

 

[icyman]

I think its high time that Rohit Sharma is given a break for good. He is a mediocre, good for nothing fella who can only thump once in a while on Indian flat tracks.

Gambhir needs to come in to add that balance of a dependant player. Rayudu should be tried out only after 2015. With Pujara in the side, it beats me why is he not given any chances.
TBH, if India crashes out of the Asia Cup on Sunday, Pujara still wont get a chance against Afghanistan.


Regards the bowling, the lesser I say the better it is.

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

Dinesh Karthik and Ambati Rayudu look very similar in the kind of cricket they play. I would ask if DK was the best possible option after Dhoni's pull out? The guy has got so many chances now. As it is Rayudu can keep wickets, why don't we choose Pujara over one of them? Possibly over DK.

Also tbh, Stuart Binny brings nothing to the Indian team as a 5th bowling option, and Rayudu is a horrible bowler. Sharma has been decent with his off-spin even in the past, so Kohli can think of letting Rohit roll over quite often.

Watching the Indian fast bowlers in the death yesterday wasn't surprising at all. So may full tosses by Bhuvaneshwar Kumar simply made me furious. We weren't this bad before

 

[vaibhavtewatia]

Regarding the match at hand, Afghanistan have made a stunning recovery to post 254. They were half fallen in the half time! They're actually in with a chance now, yesterday India tried hard to defend their 264, and considering Afhanistan's bowling which is way better than ours which had shown a lot of potential against Pakistan, this one might turn out to be an upset!