Asia Cup 2023

[Bevab]

Please don't tell me that this was a sudden news for Bumrah. He was well aware of the due date of his wife. He could have put in a request stating that he'd join post the birth. The fact remais that even after returning injury he hasn't proven himself. If players, who stay out for a year keep taking leaves every now and then, how are we expected to field an XI that will play the 1st game of the World Cup? Kohli missed the remainder of the tour in Australia- he didn't come back. Bumrah could have not flown at all OR can stay back for all he wants now!

As for Sharma and Kohli- are they so above the game that they will now pick and choose when and where they will play? Flying to WI and not playing the ODIs- look at the form they are in. It isn;t cheap shots- it is the reality of Indian cricket today that they are taking their place in the national team for granted. They haven' gotten homesick cause of the many breaks they have take over the past year.

As for the child birth- assume,hypothetically, that both Ms Sharma and Ms.Kohli were expecting their children and they both go into labour a day before the World Cup Final. In this case, do Rohit and Virat miss out on playing???

Prioritizing family isn't wrong. However, it is now coming at the cost of the team's interest and their own place in the team. When MS' daughter was born, he could have gone, as there was no challenger to his place. Also, MSD didn't miss out a year. Ditto with Kohli. However, the scenario now is different.

The expected delivery date doesn’t have to match with the actual date though. Think I can count the number of times that I’ve seen it happen on my hand personally. Kohli also played the entire white ball portion of the tour and the first test didn’t he? By your logic he shouldn’t have played those games either. I’ve already said back then that there was a hidden hierarchical issue given Kohli was allowed to skip the last three tests while Natarajan opted to stay despite having the same reason. Yet again he’s missing one game against Nepal that may not even happen due to rain, it’s silly to doom the WC campaign on the back of it.

I’m not a fan of what happened in West Indies but I don’t see how Kohli is to blamed for it when he’s no longer the captain. I also said back then that whilst it was risky it was also understandable what Rohit was doing. We’ve been giving far too much importance to bilaterals for far too long instead of using them to build teams and it’s time we stopped doing that even if the results of it won’t bear fruit until the next cycle.

I hate comparing scenarios in this instance too, if Dhoni didn’t leave then it was a decision that he took for himself, expecting others to go by his standards is unfair. To answer your hypothetical, I wouldn’t begrudge anyone who had to choose between those two events and if someone were to prioritise their child’s birth over a final then I say more power to them. Cricket is a sport where you’re sacrificing a lot of time for long periods away from home and family in general.

To point out how much of a non issue this whole thing is, Neesham’s just skipped out on an entire tour for the same event and he’s a WC probable too. Haven’t seen anyone criticise him for it and rightfully so.

 

[icyman]

To point out how much of a non issue this whole thing is, Neesham’s just skipped out on an entire tour for the same event and he’s a WC probable too. Haven’t seen anyone criticise him for it and rightfully so.

Can't compare Neesham here. They have had a settled line up for a while now. Neesha, hasn;t been absent from the squad for a year. Imagine if Boult kept doing hat now- would the Kiwis go ahead with him? No!

But, with Bumrah, we have this weird fascination that he is going to lead from the front and smash through the opposition. In reality, his performance won't be anywhere near his peak. Our obsession with Demi-Gods is causing this trouble.

I’m not a fan of what happened in West Indies but I don’t see how Kohli is to blamed for it when he’s no longer the captain. I also said back then that whilst it was risky it was also understandable what Rohit was doing. We’ve been giving far too much importance to bilaterals for far too long instead of using them to build teams and it’s time we stopped doing that even if the results of it won’t bear fruit until the next cycle.

Kohli has gotten no say is it? A vocal player like Virat, being kept on the sidelines- either he is enjoying himself or he simply doesn't care. Yes, he wasn;t captain but he isn't a weakling that cannot stand up to Dravid and voice his thoughts.

Using bilaterals to build up teams for the future is what almost every other team does. However, no team randomly switches batting order and promotes a No9 to a No4 like we did. There has to be a method to the madness, there has to be a balance to the entire thing. I did not see that happening over the last 2 years that Dravid has been experimenting. Use a settled line-up, a balance team has the ability to dominate. We didn't tick any of those boxes in the WI. Furthermore, switching out players so close to a World Cup isn't necessary. At this stage, we should be playing our finest XI. Compare ourselves to Pakistan- they have had decent, settled team for some time. They haven't been resting players every now and then like us. Pakistan looks strong cause they have gelled well as a team, unlike us.

If you want to build a team for 2027, start right after the World Cup. Use the first 2 years to try out players and then figure out. Don't use 46 months to try them out and play your preferred combination in the last 2 months. These tactics may work with U-19or A/B teams, but they definitely do not work with the Main team.

 

[icyman]

Nepal absolutely pounding this abomination of a bowling attack. Fingers crossed for an effing loss.

Hope they lose! Wonder if we will still select ppl like KLR and Bumrah then...

 

[Na Maloom Afraad]

Nepal have the opportunity to do the funniest thing imaginable...

 

[Master Khan]

I think India should be picking Umran Malik, I know he has been poor but having a express pace bowler is always useful, he can always get better by playing more international matches.

 

[icyman]

Can be taken down if deemed inappropriate. But this is the current state of the Indian team, which apparently wants to win a World Cup.

Translated: Teeth so weak that they can't bite peanuts,yet want to try and flex muscles to break walnuts...

 

[wasteyouryouth]

Rain saving India again

 

[Master Khan]

This Asia cup is going to suck, Thank You Jay Shah you stupid idiot.

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Its going to rain all week in Colombo as well

 

[Umair7]

As for the child birth- assume,hypothetically, that both Ms Sharma and Ms.Kohli were expecting their children and they both go into labour a day before the World Cup Final. In this case, do Rohit and Virat miss out on playing???

Upto them (most players usually leave for the birth of their first child) I don't blame them (Fam >>> Final)

 

[Umair7]

Thank You Jay Shah you stupid idiot.

BCCI was willing to withdraw but Bangladesh & Sri Lanka said no - UAE hosting alone again was rejected by everyone - UAE & Pak Hybrid Model was also rejected - Sri Lanka & Pak Hybrid Model was rejected at first but later got the green light!

No India = No $$$ = No Money & they are always gonna use that against PCB/PAK.

 

[Master Khan]

BCCI was willing to withdraw but Bangladesh & Sri Lanka said no - UAE hosting alone again was rejected by everyone - UAE & Pak Hybrid Model was also rejected - Sri Lanka & Pak Hybrid Model was rejected at first but later got the green light!

No India = No $$$ = No Money & they are always gonna use that against PCB/PAK.

Well its going to rain anyway lol, might as well cancel this Asia cup

 

[Till Valhalla]

Just play in India.

 

[icyman]

Should have had it in Nepal or Afghanistan instead...

 

[Bevab]

Can't compare Neesham here. They have had a settled line up for a while now. Neesha, hasn;t been absent from the squad for a year. Imagine if Boult kept doing hat now- would the Kiwis go ahead with him? No!

But, with Bumrah, we have this weird fascination that he is going to lead from the front and smash through the opposition. In reality, his performance won't be anywhere near his peak. Our obsession with Demi-Gods is causing this trouble.



Kohli has gotten no say is it? A vocal player like Virat, being kept on the sidelines- either he is enjoying himself or he simply doesn't care. Yes, he wasn;t captain but he isn't a weakling that cannot stand up to Dravid and voice his thoughts.

Using bilaterals to build up teams for the future is what almost every other team does. However, no team randomly switches batting order and promotes a No9 to a No4 like we did. There has to be a method to the madness, there has to be a balance to the entire thing. I did not see that happening over the last 2 years that Dravid has been experimenting. Use a settled line-up, a balance team has the ability to dominate. We didn't tick any of those boxes in the WI. Furthermore, switching out players so close to a World Cup isn't necessary. At this stage, we should be playing our finest XI. Compare ourselves to Pakistan- they have had decent, settled team for some time. They haven't been resting players every now and then like us. Pakistan looks strong cause they have gelled well as a team, unlike us.

If you want to build a team for 2027, start right after the World Cup. Use the first 2 years to try out players and then figure out. Don't use 46 months to try them out and play your preferred combination in the last 2 months. These tactics may work with U-19or A/B teams, but they definitely do not work with the Main team.

I’m genuinely not sure what you’re getting at here, if the rationale is that “every team other than India on this planet has a settled lineup and ours is a enigmatic puzzle that can’t be decoded” then there’s not much of a discussion to be had. I could easily list five issues with the current NZ team ranging from Kane’s availability to the lack of a replacement for their main spin all-rounder but you’d still call their team as a settled one. Their last ODI series before the WC which will be in subcontinental conditions will not even feature most of their main XI FFS, if India did that you’d be calling for the heads of everyone in the BCCI starting from the security guard.

Neesham himself is not even on a central contract and has missed multiple games in the last year because he was playing in franchise leagues. The only reason he’s even had two ODIs this year was because no IPL team bothered to pick him up, if it wasn’t for that then his last ODI would have been just two months after Bumrah’s last one prior to the Asia Cup.

I’m still not sure what your plan should have been with Bumrah in this instance, should he have skipped out on this tournament entirely? Then you’d have been questioning why he was granted entry into the series versus Australia without any sort of practice before the WC. What next, not pick Bumrah for the WC whilst he twiddles his thumbs at home as we get smashed by bowling Umran or Thakur?

There’s another point of view where Kohli is told by the coach and captain to rest and he accepts it because he believes in them? We’ve criticised him in the past for going over his station and now he’s supposed to be criticised because he didn’t do that?

Now who is this number nine that got promoted to four? If you’re talking about Axar he’s seen as a number seven. I’ve even got an example for another team doing what you said would be never be done, Australia randomly promoted Starc in an ODI against us and threw the game. I don’t even think half of the Aussie fans would remember this happening if you were to ask them now.

If I’m right Pakistan have played around half the number of ODIs we have. It’s easier to have a settled lineup in that case. It’s also easier to provide an impression of the same when there’s a clear depth in quality between the bench and the main team. Pakistan look strong because they have good individuals in the side, the West Indian side hasn’t really changed much over the last year or so and yet they didn’t qualify for the WC did they? By your logic England shouldn’t play their main opener, their number three and number four because they’ve barely played ODIs recently. If you suggest this to any English fan you’ll be laughed at rightfully.

 

[Bevab]

Nepal absolutely pounding this abomination of a bowling attack. Fingers crossed for an effing loss.

Hope they lose! Wonder if we will still select ppl like KLR and Bumrah then...

You’ve got an unhealthy obsession with certain players mate… to the point where you’ve abandoned reason and wonder if they’ll be selected if the team loses without them in it… that literally means they were missed bay and that they’d be selected at the next earliest opportunity.

Can’t think of a more accurate description.