Australia tour of South Africa, 2008/09
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Ponting,Clarke and are not made for T20 and hence they should be dropped. Dunnow suddenly what happened with Warner and White. It was again one man show from our side Dussey. Selectors really need to think before making team for T20 WC. Hodge should be in the side along with Andrew Symonds. If not symonds bring Quiney. Even Henriques is quite good with this format. Get bloody bunch of useful allrounders 
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Ponting,Clarke and are not made for T20 and hence they should be dropped. Dunnow suddenly what happened with Warner and White. It was again one man show from our side Dussey. Selectors really need to think before making team for T20 WC. Hodge should be in the side along with Andrew Symonds. If not symonds bring Quiney. Even Henriques is quite good with this format. Get bloody bunch of useful allrounders
I can't see the selectors making even more changes. The majority of this squad will be going to the world cup. Perhaps get Haddin up there with Warner. Loughlin didnt't look too bad, he can be decent backup for Bracken and Johnson. Ponting just needs to calm down a touch and find a gameplan, same with AB de Villiers. I would've thought Haurtiz or Krejza (seeing as he can bat) would've been a useful addition to the squad. Aus need to find a decent spinner who can maybe hold a bat.
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Ponting has said "he's struggled to find a balance" for Twenty20 and it shows. But at least he's shown some potential with that 98 he made ages ago. I can't recall Clarke doing anything even remotely close to that.
Amazing to see how J Botha has turned out. He's been an economical wicket taker over the summer.
Amazing to see how J Botha has turned out. He's been an economical wicket taker over the summer.
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I was reading some Ponting quotes the other day. He mentioned Watson, Symonds and Lee as guys who would come into reckoning straight away and would be important in the T20 World Cup. And Shaun Marsh should also be added to that list.
And I really don't know why they took Hauritz on this tour. At least give him a go in one of the T20s to see if he might be able to play a role, for crying out loud. He'll probably get to play in maybe 1 of the 5 ODIs, bowl badly, selectors will lose confidence and we won't see a specialist spinner in our ODI team for the next 5 years
: It's the perfect time to try out guys, yet we only seem to want to try pacemen - we already have 10 guys lining up there - think Johnson, Bracken, Hopes, Lee, Siddle, Hilfenhaus, Laughlin, Harwood, Tait, Magoffin, Geeves, Bollinger, Clark, Ryan Harris. OK make that 14(!!) guys who've been named in either the Test or ODI squads over the last 6 months.Haha you just answered your own statement. Haddin IS down the order to hit
I think mainly because Michael Clarke really has to open in a T20. He takes a couple of overs to hit his stride and he can't ramp up the pace quickly enough if he comes in at #5/#6.
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venom2011
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sifter132 said:Haha you just answered your own statement. Haddin IS down the order to hit
Yep. Same reason why Kallis opened for SA before he was dropped. I think there's a message in there somewhere
Haha you just answered your own statement. Haddin IS down the order to hit
Haddin himself has been poor in the hitting role rivaling White. He is like Clarke, he also needs time to get in before hitting his stride. He doesn't have the ability of a Morkel to smash it from ball one.
Kind of begs the question doesn't it...Do we have ANY batsmen that are really suited to T20 ie. can smash it straight away? Ponting can do it, but it really lessens him as a batsman. Makes him score either really big or really small.
I'd say Warner, David Hussey and Symonds are really the only guys who can, and Symonds really needs to come in after 5 or 6 overs or the new ball bowlers will make him struggle. Watson seemed to be able to when in the right frame of mind during the IPL and Hopes can do it too, but his batting doesn't have enough quality about it. Maybe Hodge too, but for all the bellyaching about his non-selection, I'd be VERY surprised if the Aussie selectors turned back to him now.
Oh and we really need someone who can smash Johan Botha, he's killed us all summer with his economy. And someone who can get Albie out quickly too...
Johnson seems to be able to smash the spinners alright hence I like him batting higher in particular in a position where he can face the spinners.
Big hitter wise, Quiney looks good and was on the verge of being picked. Birt is another and his FRC form has been good. Dighton showed in that first T20 we had in the summer that he too can give it a whack. Problem is selectors don't look close to picking any of them now.
Big hitter wise, Quiney looks good and was on the verge of being picked. Birt is another and his FRC form has been good. Dighton showed in that first T20 we had in the summer that he too can give it a whack. Problem is selectors don't look close to picking any of them now.
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One thing I have observed is that you generally prefer a batsman didn't attempt to smash from ball one. It still proves unnecessarily reckless, even in T20. Even if they come in late, you would rather they turn the strike over to a set batsman. Of course there are a couple of reasons why you might need them to go all out, but it is not the way to play as tends to be the idea. It's a game of small differences, like how the difference between bad bowling and good bowling figures is only two or three sixes. If you were talking in a Test context, then yeah, attacking your 10th ball for a six would be quite cavalier, but in T20 that means you've taken your time.
David Hussey on Sunday made 11 from 11 before opening up in the next 7 balls to make 27. On Friday, in much cleaner batting conditions he made 9 from 10 balls before embarking on a rampaging 88* from 44. The hallmark of that innings was that he never over-attacked. He was simply looking for the ball to hit big each over and pressing conventional runs in the mean time.
Look at Warner on Friday. Scored 13 off 13, before going on to make 38 from 29. Robin Peterson on Sunday took 19 balls to score at a run a ball, but finished with 34 in 27, which is a bit of an 'anchor' innings, but above the average scoring rate of the match; in any case a T20 side can still use guys who keep the run rate going at better than 7 runs an over. van der Merwe was the player of Sunday's match with 48 from 28 balls. However, he started his innings with 15 from 17, before splattering Nathan Bracken all over the cheering fans.
What we learn from just this small set of examples is something of a common strategy for getting a nice number of runs, based on attacking through conventional singles and trying to push the run rate at a sustainable rate, but then expanding by looking for better balls which can be exploited. Of course, batsmen will always eat up half volleys and the like, but somewhere along the line a decent ball must be destroyed and that incurs a much greater risk.
It's mathematically sound. If you score 10 runs from 10 balls and hit the 11th for 4, you increase your scoring rate by more than a quarter and actually hitting the 11th ball out of the middle is much more likely than the first or second. Batsmen can afford to space out their big risks or concentrate them. Even in the reduced time frame, it's still a game where a little patience pays off.
David Hussey on Sunday made 11 from 11 before opening up in the next 7 balls to make 27. On Friday, in much cleaner batting conditions he made 9 from 10 balls before embarking on a rampaging 88* from 44. The hallmark of that innings was that he never over-attacked. He was simply looking for the ball to hit big each over and pressing conventional runs in the mean time.
Look at Warner on Friday. Scored 13 off 13, before going on to make 38 from 29. Robin Peterson on Sunday took 19 balls to score at a run a ball, but finished with 34 in 27, which is a bit of an 'anchor' innings, but above the average scoring rate of the match; in any case a T20 side can still use guys who keep the run rate going at better than 7 runs an over. van der Merwe was the player of Sunday's match with 48 from 28 balls. However, he started his innings with 15 from 17, before splattering Nathan Bracken all over the cheering fans.
What we learn from just this small set of examples is something of a common strategy for getting a nice number of runs, based on attacking through conventional singles and trying to push the run rate at a sustainable rate, but then expanding by looking for better balls which can be exploited. Of course, batsmen will always eat up half volleys and the like, but somewhere along the line a decent ball must be destroyed and that incurs a much greater risk.
It's mathematically sound. If you score 10 runs from 10 balls and hit the 11th for 4, you increase your scoring rate by more than a quarter and actually hitting the 11th ball out of the middle is much more likely than the first or second. Batsmen can afford to space out their big risks or concentrate them. Even in the reduced time frame, it's still a game where a little patience pays off.
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Really enjoyed the game. The atmosphere at the ground was great. Well done to Roeloff on his debut. And some IPL side needs to snap up Botha on a contract, can't believe the guy still doesn't have a deal.
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