Best players under 24 ?

WTF ? They havent played a test match since then, and won every match in the world cup. Cook > Butt, your view on this seems fuelled on bias towards pakistan tbh. Like your view that Afridi is god :rolleyes:
 
i think thats going a bit too far, but he certainly will be good. How many centurys hjas he scored overseas compared to home? cause i cant recall an overseas century other than one in pakistan i believe
It's not going far at all. It's probably true, his like 21 years old & his averaging almost 50 in Test Cricket. It doesn't matter if he struggled in Australia, he still made as good a hundred as you'll ever see from a player of his age.
 
its pretty hard to get thrashed when you dont play another test
 
the 5-0 bowling attack got thrashed soon after when they played a team which wasnt called england

One day cricket is a batsmans game, the pitches didnt offer much to bowling sides so most batting sides would dominate. shame pakistan couldnt beat ireland after all pakistan are the best team ever.

PS. Afridi created god.
 
the 5-0 bowling attack got thrashed soon after when they played a team which wasnt called england

They got hammered against New Zealand with an attack of Hogg, Tait and off-form McGrath, Watson and someone else. That didn't make up the test team did it?
 
WTF ? They havent played a test match since then, and won every match in the world cup. Cook > Butt, your view on this seems fuelled on bias towards pakistan tbh. Like your view that Afridi is god :rolleyes:
what has afridi and my views on pakistani team got to do with which aussie attack is better?

the combination of mcgrath,clark,lee and warne dont have a leg to stand on when compared to an attack of mcgrath,gillespie,kaspa and warne in the 2004 season
 
I wasnt talking about that argument in that comment. I was talking about Butt supposedly being more talented than Alastair COok. I'll come to the aussie attack comment in a minute. Firstly to Cook and Butt, firstly to what they've achieved so far.

Cook:
Matches= 18
runs= 1435
Average= 46.29
100's/50's= 6/5
HS= 127

Butt:
Matches= 14
Runs= 777
Average= 29.28
100's/50's= 2/4
HS= 122

As you can see, Cook's test match statistics are far and beyond those of Salman Butt. Yes cook has played 4 more test matches, but has almost 700 more runs, triple the amount of hundreds and a better average. Then to the first class statistics:

Cook:
Matches= 66
Runs= 5074
Average= 47.86

Butt:
Matches= 57
Runs= 3582
Average= 38.10

So, even in first class cricket, which is of a higher standard in England imo he has a better record than Butt. Then we look at both players records away from their continent, Butt has played away series against Australia, England, and West Indies, whereas Cook has played in away series against Australia and India.

Averages:

Butt:
Australia: 37.50
England: 11.50
West Indies: 13.50

Cook:
Australia: 27.60
India: 61.00

So, although Butt averaged higher in Australia, he failed badly against England and the West Indies. Cook was dissapointing against Australia, but was against a collossus attack with a point to prove. Clark and McGrath bowled to Cook perfectly, yet he still came away with a century under his belt. He also showed that he can play in the sub-continent. He was rushed into India and after being in the country for a day he had to play his first test match. He scored 183 runs in 2 matches, in his first test tour to the sub-continent, whilst jet lagged also. That surely shows the quality of the lad ?

/point proven :p.

Now to the Aussie attack. I seriously dont get, how Kasprowicz and Gillespie are more impressive than Lee and Clark. Lee averages 31.6, Clark averages 17 whereas Kasprowicz averages 32 with Gillespie averaging 26. Lee was Australias best player in the 2005 ashes imo, showed great detirmination, has great pace and takes wickets. Clark was Australias best player in the 2007 ashes with an amazing record, lots of wickets and a very hard bowler to play. Kaspa and Gillespie seem more wayward from what i've seen, detirmined yes but nowhere near as talented as Clark and Lee. I suppose this part of the discussion is down to opinion i suppose. Some people will prefer Dizzy and Kaspa whilst others prefer the awesomeness of Lee and Clark, its down to perception and what you've seen of the players. But from what i've seen of all 4, the 2007 duo are more impressive.
 
Ponting was Australia's best player during the '07 Ashes. Match-winning innings whilst Clark chipped in with 2 or 3 wkts in every match.
 
the 5-0 bowling attack got thrashed soon after when they played a team which wasnt called england

they haven't played anyone yet in tests and they won the world cup. what are you talking about?
 
Now to the Aussie attack. I seriously dont get, how Kasprowicz and Gillespie are more impressive than Lee and Clark. Lee averages 31.6, Clark averages 17 whereas Kasprowicz averages 32 with Gillespie averaging 26. Lee was Australias best player in the 2005 ashes imo, showed great detirmination, has great pace and takes wickets. Clark was Australias best player in the 2007 ashes with an amazing record, lots of wickets and a very hard bowler to play. Kaspa and Gillespie seem more wayward from what i've seen, detirmined yes but nowhere near as talented as Clark and Lee. I suppose this part of the discussion is down to opinion i suppose. Some people will prefer Dizzy and Kaspa whilst others prefer the awesomeness of Lee and Clark, its down to perception and what you've seen of the players. But from what i've seen of all 4, the 2007 duo are more impressive.

I have no clue as to why you are comparing gillespie who has over 250 wickets to a player who has barely played 20 matches and calling him better than gillespie

I wasnt talking about that argument in that comment. I was talking about Butt supposedly being more talented than Alastair COok. I'll come to the aussie attack comment in a minute. Firstly to Cook and Butt, firstly to what they've achieved so far.

Cook:
Matches= 18
runs= 1435
Average= 46.29
100's/50's= 6/5
HS= 127

Butt:
Matches= 14
Runs= 777
Average= 29.28
100's/50's= 2/4
HS= 122

As you can see, Cook's test match statistics are far and beyond those of Salman Butt. Yes cook has played 4 more test matches, but has almost 700 more runs, triple the amount of hundreds and a better average. Then to the first class statistics:

Cook:
Matches= 66
Runs= 5074
Average= 47.86

Butt:
Matches= 57
Runs= 3582
Average= 38.10

So, even in first class cricket, which is of a higher standard in England imo he has a better record than Butt. Then we look at both players records away from their continent, Butt has played away series against Australia, England, and West Indies, whereas Cook has played in away series against Australia and India.

Averages:

Butt:
Australia: 37.50
England: 11.50
West Indies: 13.50

Cook:
Australia: 27.60
India: 61.00

So, although Butt averaged higher in Australia, he failed badly against England and the West Indies. Cook was dissapointing against Australia, but was against a collossus attack with a point to prove. Clark and McGrath bowled to Cook perfectly, yet he still came away with a century under his belt. He also showed that he can play in the sub-continent. He was rushed into India and after being in the country for a day he had to play his first test match. He scored 183 runs in 2 matches, in his first test tour to the sub-continent, whilst jet lagged also. That surely shows the quality of the lad ?

Hello?
he was man of the match in Multan and almost won the test single handedly for pakistan.
Also see the bowling attack cook scored his 100 against and the attack butt scored a 100 and 2 50's against and that too in australia.

The 2004 aussies side was a much better side than the 5-0 side.
Gillespie and Kaspa's decline started in Ashes 2005.
Before that they were the most deadliest combination in world cricket for a good 5-6 years.

and im not taking anything away from cook,
i think he will be a future great,
but so far where he has faced testing bowling attacks he has failed.
only 2 of his 100's were class.
1 vs india and 1 vs aussies.
the rest were against bowling attacks which were seveerly depleted
 
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What the hell are you talking about, Gambino?

Murali, Gul, Kaneria, Warne, McGrath, Clark, Lee, Kumble, Harbajan?

He has made hundreds against all opponents apart from Sri Lanka where his highest is 89. He has proved himself unlike Butt who couldn't get a game.
 
What the hell are you talking about, Gambino?

Murali, Gul, Kaneria, Warne, McGrath, Clark, Lee, Kumble, Harbajan?

He has made hundreds against all opponents apart from Sri Lanka where his highest is 89. He has proved himself unlike Butt who couldn't get a game.
what the hell are you talking about?
you seem to be assuming that i said butt was better than cook,

try reading the posts you reply to
 
the 5-0 bowling attack got thrashed soon after when they played a team which wasnt called england

They haven't played together since then. Unless there's some form of secret Test series going on that only you and the ICC know about?
 
Gambino said:
but so far where he has faced testing bowling attacks he has failed.

That is what I was replying to :rolleyes:
 

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