Cricket 19 General Discussion

[Langeveldt]

Having a much better time playing Ashes Cricket at the moment.

Have Bangladesh 170 all out on a slow dry surface in an ODI. The ball is wearing, there are a few little omelettes on the pitch.

No two dismissals the same, an outfield lofted catch, a steer to backward point, some LBWds and bowleds. Mentalities seemed to be there, Tamim off to a flyer but the Bangladesh middle order were more circumspect.

Just had Finch mistime a pull and top edge one to the keeper, lobbed up.

A couple of bat pads and slip catches. All going on.

For all the bells and whistles in cricket 19 it seems very boring compared to Ashes.

Were super human 4th innings chases present in Ashes Cricket? That could be a game breaker for me @blockerdave

And how long do they spend playtesting the patches? (As you can't revert them, so it does change the game). Is it 30 seconds or 40 seconds?

 

[DevilzTutor]

So many patches and yet AI still don't know about situation awareness or taking risks, they even block last balls.

 

[Dutch]

And how long do they spend playtesting the patches? (As you can't revert them, so it does change the game). Is it 30 seconds or 40 seconds?

They spend quite some time playtesting them but when a patch is pushed out it invariably causes problems that need time again to be fixed. There are a few of us here giving feedback on builds that we are asked to test but we have no influence whatsoever on what gets in or not and what the quality or timing of the public patches are.

 

[Langeveldt]

They spend quite some time playtesting them but when a patch is pushed out it invariably causes problems that need time again to be fixed. There are a few of us here giving feedback on builds that we are asked to test but we have no influence whatsoever on what gets in or not and what the quality or timing of the public patches are.

Just very frustrating when what's a fairly polished title sort of regresses and there's noting you an do about it. It's like it's being stolen from you in a way.

 

[Dutch]

Having a much better time playing Ashes Cricket at the moment.

Have Bangladesh 170 all out on a slow dry surface in an ODI. The ball is wearing, there are a few little omelettes on the pitch.

No two dismissals the same, an outfield lofted catch, a steer to backward point, some LBWds and bowleds. Mentalities seemed to be there, Tamim off to a flyer but the Bangladesh middle order were more circumspect.

Just had Finch mistime a pull and top edge one to the keeper, lobbed up.

A couple of bat pads and slip catches. All going on.

For all the bells and whistles in cricket 19 it seems very boring compared to Ashes.

Were super human 4th innings chases present in Ashes Cricket? That could be a game breaker for me @blockerdave

And how long do they spend playtesting the patches? (As you can't revert them, so it does change the game). Is it 30 seconds or 40 seconds?

My sense was that Cricket 19 was a much better all round experience than Ashes Cricket but I might fire it up again to compare things.[DOUBLEPOST=1583683370][/DOUBLEPOST]

Just very frustrating when what's a fairly polished title sort of regresses and there's noting you an do about it. It's like it's being stolen from you in a way.

Yeah the fact that you can't opt out of a patch once its been downloaded is frustrating when it regresses a number of key elements.

 

[blockerdave]

Having a much better time playing Ashes Cricket at the moment.

Have Bangladesh 170 all out on a slow dry surface in an ODI. The ball is wearing, there are a few little omelettes on the pitch.

No two dismissals the same, an outfield lofted catch, a steer to backward point, some LBWds and bowleds. Mentalities seemed to be there, Tamim off to a flyer but the Bangladesh middle order were more circumspect.

Just had Finch mistime a pull and top edge one to the keeper, lobbed up.

A couple of bat pads and slip catches. All going on.

For all the bells and whistles in cricket 19 it seems very boring compared to Ashes.

Were super human 4th innings chases present in Ashes Cricket? That could be a game breaker for me @blockerdave

And how long do they spend playtesting the patches? (As you can't revert them, so it does change the game). Is it 30 seconds or 40 seconds?

As I recall yes there was a 4th inns bounce but whether it was as pronounced as c19 I can’t be sure.

nit sure if it was ever patched out or not but the biggest issue in ashes for me was that exactly like DBC17 the AI bowling conceived of every test 4th inns as an ODI run chase and used ODI run chase fields - so you might be facing a chase of 400 and yet the AI sets on one slip and 2 on the fence. Absolute shite that thankfully c19 did get rid of

 

[Langeveldt]

My sense was that Cricket 19 was a much better all round experience than Ashes Cricket but I might fire it up again to compare things.

I'm having much more fun on AC (bowling).. The only thing that'll strike you are lack of player faces, and for my money the graphics are more washed out.

 

[Dutch]

As I recall yes there was a 4th inns bounce but whether it was as pronounced as c19 I can’t be sure.

nit sure if it was ever patched out or not but the biggest issue in ashes for me was that exactly like DBC17 the AI bowling conceived of every test 4th inns as an ODI run chase and used ODI run chase fields - so you might be facing a chase of 400 and yet the AI sets on one slip and 2 on the fence. Absolute shite that thankfully c19 did get rid of

The problem for me is that the game has gotten so many complex elements to it in terms of customisation that gluing gameplay together has become tricky. I would swap everything for solid, tactical, competitive gameplay even if it meant like Ashes 2009 you only played the quarterfinals up in a competition![DOUBLEPOST=1583683677][/DOUBLEPOST]

I'm having much more fun on AC (bowling).. The only thing that'll strike you are lack of player faces, and for my money the graphics are more washed out.

I haven't bowled for a while on Cricket 19 to be fair but I felt that it was less on a rail than Ashes but again I will need to compare them again.

 

[blockerdave]

My sense was that Cricket 19 was a much better all round experience than Ashes Cricket but I might fire it up again to compare things.

I think C19 was a vastly more polished and superior game than Ashes on release. The problem has been the same as every title - BA cannot consistently improve anything without regressing/ruining something else. So over the course of c19 we've lost ring/outfield catches, ball wear and possibly other things (did the AI ever use their feet to spinners in c19?)

In DBC17 we had bowling patched out, and the smash-pad thing introduced. In Ashes there were several things too.

I know BA is a small team, juggling multiple projects and the game is complex etc. but their controls are obviously not fit for purpose. There are so many automated unit testing, code comparison and regression test tools out there that can minimise this kind of thing.

 

[Wealey]

I think C19 was a vastly more polished and superior game than Ashes on release. The problem has been the same as every title - BA cannot consistently improve anything without regressing/ruining something else. So over the course of c19 we've lost ring/outfield catches, ball wear and possibly other things (did the AI ever use their feet to spinners in c19?)

In DBC17 we had bowling patched out, and the smash-pad thing introduced. In Ashes there were several things too.

I know BA is a small team, juggling multiple projects and the game is complex etc. but their controls are obviously not fit for purpose. There are so many automated unit testing, code comparison and regression test tools out there that can minimise this kind of thing.

I honestly can’t remember Ashes I’m going to have to fire it up. I will say though my last match on cricket 19 bowling was great fun with great variation. (No outfield catches though) but tbf I don’t remember many outfield catches in tests on Ashes either!

 

[blockerdave]

I honestly can’t remember Ashes I’m going to have to fire it up. I will say though my last match on cricket 19 bowling was great fun with great variation. (No outfield catches though) but tbf I don’t remember many outfield catches in tests on Ashes either!

they weren't common in ashes, but you could definitely "bounce out" the AI, getting either a ring catch at forward square leg/backward mid-wicket or a top-edge catch at fine leg. You could also at release on c19. I don't think you can now.

what i dislike more than anything in c19 is the AI "cheating". The AI can go over the top with impunity, they will never mis-time and chip to mid-off regardless of their or the bowler skill - my aggressive shots are full of risk. The AI can run if a throw hits the stumps and rebounds into the field - I cannot. The AI can defend to the bowler and take a run as he stands there and someone runs up from slip/the ring - the AI bowler always reacts to my defensive shot.

If you design a game that is built around the AI being able to cheat to be competitive, you haven't done a very good job in designing the AI.

I should add, that having not played C19 for a long time from late summer/early autumn until just a few weeks ago - i'm currently still having a lot of fun.

 

[blockerdave]

Just remembered there was also that awful patch in Ashes where they removed swing and added an awful cartoonish seam where you couldn’t leave any more because a ball would pitch 3 foot outside off yet take out your leg stump

thank god that go undone

 

[Deleted member 193590]

they weren't common in ashes, but you could definitely "bounce out" the AI, getting either a ring catch at forward square leg/backward mid-wicket or a top-edge catch at fine leg. You could also at release on c19. I don't think you can now.

what i dislike more than anything in c19 is the AI "cheating". The AI can go over the top with impunity, they will never mis-time and chip to mid-off regardless of their or the bowler skill - my aggressive shots are full of risk. The AI can run if a throw hits the stumps and rebounds into the field - I cannot. The AI can defend to the bowler and take a run as he stands there and someone runs up from slip/the ring - the AI bowler always reacts to my defensive shot.

If you design a game that is built around the AI being able to cheat to be competitive, you haven't done a very good job in designing the AI.

I should add, that having not played C19 for a long time from late summer/early autumn until just a few weeks ago - i'm currently still having a lot of fun.

Yes when c19 was released you could get some great wickets with bouncers,especially at slip.Pretty sure it disappeared when we had that patch where edges would fly off the bat at 300 mph.

 

[wasteyouryouth]

The problem for me is that the game has gotten so many complex elements to it in terms of customisation that gluing gameplay together has become tricky. I would swap everything for solid, tactical, competitive gameplay even if it meant like Ashes 2009 you only played the quarterfinals up in a competition![DOUBLEPOST=1583683677][/DOUBLEPOST]
I haven't bowled for a while on Cricket 19 to be fair but I felt that it was less on a rail than Ashes but again I will need to compare them again.

I've had some really satisfying pace bowling over the last week. The ball movement feels nice, the bounce has for the most part been decent. I've enjoyed trying to find the best length to bowl.

Sadly the problems for me are from the AI. I've no problem with Prithvi Shaw scoring quickly against me, that's realistic, but it feels very formulaic. Bowl a few decent deliveries and then bam, four through a gap. Over after over, maybe the odd over that they are twos instead of boundaries. I think I might even have got a maiden or two. Then I started playing around when the AI was at 4.5 per over after about 15 overs and started going defensive. Just went for a ring field to stop singles. Think I had eight dot balls in a row and then clunk, the over the top hitting starts. Then back to normal.

Putting fielding to one side (it bugs the hell outta me, as I'm sure you have picked up on) because the issues there are too deep to get fixed by patches, the AI batting is what stands out as least immersive - including parts of the game where my immersion should be ruined because of being on the beta! It's not as noticeable in T20 or ODI because there is an emphasis on run scoring and there are lots of eventful moments but test cricket just doesn't do it for me. I think that's partly because it takes longer so you have more time to see cracks in the game.

Think I said the other week that in a narrow scope the game is good and enjoyable. But when you step outside of that there are big extremes where the game is great or where the game is not great. So it see-saws from one extreme to the other. You bowl an absolute jaffa and clean up a batsman then next ball a fielder misfields off a dive, takes 10 seconds to get to his feet and looks like he has no idea where the ball is or how he ended up in the middle of a cricket match.

And I know there are lots of sliders that can be tweaked but I can't be arsed.

 

[blockerdave]

I've had some really satisfying pace bowling over the last week. The ball movement feels nice, the bounce has for the most part been decent. I've enjoyed trying to find the best length to bowl.

Sadly the problems for me are from the AI. I've no problem with Prithvi Shaw scoring quickly against me, that's realistic, but it feels very formulaic. Bowl a few decent deliveries and then bam, four through a gap. Over after over, maybe the odd over that they are twos instead of boundaries. I think I might even have got a maiden or two. Then I started playing around when the AI was at 4.5 per over after about 15 overs and started going defensive. Just went for a ring field to stop singles. Think I had eight dot balls in a row and then clunk, the over the top hitting starts. Then back to normal.

Putting fielding to one side (it bugs the hell outta me, as I'm sure you have picked up on) because the issues there are too deep to get fixed by patches, the AI batting is what stands out as least immersive - including parts of the game where my immersion should be ruined because of being on the beta! It's not as noticeable in T20 or ODI because there is an emphasis on run scoring and there are lots of eventful moments but test cricket just doesn't do it for me. I think that's partly because it takes longer so you have more time to see cracks in the game.

Think I said the other week that in a narrow scope the game is good and enjoyable. But when you step outside of that there are big extremes where the game is great or where the game is not great. So it see-saws from one extreme to the other. You bowl an absolute jaffa and clean up a batsman then next ball a fielder misfields off a dive, takes 10 seconds to get to his feet and looks like he has no idea where the ball is or how he ended up in the middle of a cricket match.

And I know there are lots of sliders that can be tweaked but I can't be arsed.

so generally I think the AI batting has improved a fair bit. I’m able in tests to be going around 2-3 an over, sometimes less and picking up maidens.

but yeah, you know they always have an out shot if they need it, and that sucks.