DBC 17 - The Complete Review! Please Answer the Poll!

[varunschuey]

The majority agreed with the problems you stated. There is nothing to suggest that the majority think the game is broken.

The game is currently in a better state than it's predecessor was at the same point in it's development cycle.

I said the game was broken and the majority agreed. I hope yoy can put 2 and 2 together. If A = B and B = C, then A = C. Basic logic my friend![DOUBLEPOST=1484030048][/DOUBLEPOST]

Hasnt FIFA done that? FIFA16 was worse than FIFA15? hence me not even buying it anyways.....**relax, don't elevate your BP**

Significantly worse for those who relied on the Sprint button....LOL.

 

[Snowy]

Hi Snowy,

Request you to please shed light on 'How they managed to make it significantly worse than its predecessor which is probably one of the greatest mysteries in gaming!'

I disagree.

Light has been shed.

 

[Alberts]

I said the game was broken and the majority agreed. I hope yoy can put 2 and 2 together. If A = B and B = C, then A = C. Basic logic my friend![DOUBLEPOST=1484030048][/DOUBLEPOST]
Significantly worse for those who relied on the Sprint button....LOL.

You know that you didn't actually call the game broken in the original post right?

No, the FIFA series has been on the slide for about 3-4 years now. The game is just buggier, lower quality, and more conducive to dominant strategies. Janky looking animations, tired features, and no clear direction in gameplay style over the years has taken it's toll now. One of the more surprising things is how they made such a poor looking game in the frostbite engine. Even the parts that they clearly tried with (e.g. the baby oil coated pitch), just don't look right. About the only thing the FIFA series has right now is good licencing and Ultimate Team, thankfully for them that's enough for most customers. Even with the scandals of last year they're still doing well on the sales side, so they're unlikely to change practices for the time being.

 

[varunschuey]

You know that you didn't actually call the game broken in the original post right?

No, the FIFA series has been on the slide for about 3-4 years now. The game is just buggier, lower quality, and more conducive to dominant strategies. Janky looking animations, tired features, and no clear direction in gameplay style over the years has taken it's toll now. One of the more surprising things is how they made such a poor looking game in the frostbite engine. Even the parts that they clearly tried with (e.g. the baby oil coated pitch), just don't look right. About the only thing the FIFA series has right now is good licencing and Ultimate Team, thankfully for them that's enough for most customers. Even with the scandals of last year they're still doing well on the sales side, so they're unlikely to change practices for the time being.

Yeah...I hope DBC never descends into the rubbish that FIFA is

 

[Alberts]

Yeah...I hope DBC never descends into the rubbish that FIFA is

I hope not too. It's been out since September and still has bugs that have persisted over various versions (e.g. the kit selection bug), as well as menu input lag, and even input lag in game. At least we've not had a chemgate level scandal yet this year.

Interestingly though, at release FIFA had a bug just as bad as the shot selection one we're discussing here. You couldn't use front on dribbling properly due to how the controls were done, nor could you use cancelling. If anything, this is more serious than the lack of a cover drive, these are two key controls that simply didn't function on release. It would be like you couldn't play defensive shots or leave the ball. It took them over a month to fix that one. The official premier league overlay incorrectly showed player stamina as well, and that wasn't fixed until fairly recently. I guess it's okay when EA do it though. There still exist a number of persistent bugs, such as players shooting through their own legs, goals not being given, various situations in match where players just stop playing and wander about looking upset. Again, I guess that's all perfectly fine when EA do it.

Out of curiosity, how much money does a company need behind it before you consider those kinds of issues on release acceptable?

 

[varunschuey]

I hope not too. It's been out since September and still has bugs that have persisted over various versions (e.g. the kit selection bug), as well as menu input lag, and even input lag in game. At least we've not had a chemgate level scandal yet this year.

Interestingly though, at release FIFA had a bug just as bad as the shot selection one we're discussing here. You couldn't use front on dribbling properly due to how the controls were done, nor could you use cancelling. If anything, this is more serious than the lack of a cover drive, these are two key controls that simply didn't function on release. It would be like you couldn't play defensive shots or leave the ball. It took them over a month to fix that one. The official premier league overlay incorrectly showed player stamina as well, and that wasn't fixed until fairly recently. I guess it's okay when EA do it though. There still exist a number of persistent bugs, such as players shooting through their own legs, goals not being given, various situations in match where players just stop playing and wander about looking upset. Again, I guess that's all perfectly fine when EA do it.

Out of curiosity, how much money does a company need behind it before you consider those kinds of issues on release acceptable?

I don't have Fifa 17....so I cannot comment on your assertions above....but I played Fifa 16 extensively and it is one helluva game.....have never experienced any glaring issues with that.

 

[Alberts]

Anyhow, as it turns out with unorthodox shots I've managed to hit a larger fraction of the field. Superimposing my new wagonwheel on the old one gives the following:

This of course can be converted into the kind of diagram as before giving:

We can from this calculate again that the cover region is about 33°, but now we've got to take into account the region we can hit down to fine leg. The first is 50° directly behind the keeper (the Cavalier King Charles Spaniel), and this is fair enough as a region that can't readily be hit, at least without edges. The other one is the bigger worry, roughly deep backward square leg region (here represented by the Samoyed); this being 33°. What is most interesting is that if you compare the cover region to this region, they almost exactly mirror eachother, it appears that this represents a deadzone that we can't hit to, and is mirrored across the pitch, quite odd. In any case we have 66° in these two areas and 50° behind the keeper, keep in mind that these are maximal estimates, the actual values will be lower. This is because this was done from only a set of shots attempted, it is possible other shots could do better, it's not possible that these shots simply don't exist. This means that we have 18.3% of the pitch that can't be hit in these cover and backward square leg regions, while there is another 13.9% that can't be hit behind the keeper, totally 32.2% in all at the very most. I still think further experimentation could bring this figure down, but that really isn't the point.

That 33° space being mirrored across the pitch is what interets me, maybe that's where something went through... who knows, just interesting that the two problem areas are mirrored like that.

Edit: I should probably add that I think that I could have hit closer to directly behind the keeper, but when I tried it against a spinner their superhuman reflexes caught it instantly, despite being over head height.

 

[Alberts]

I don't have Fifa 17....so I cannot comment on your assertions above....but I played Fifa 16 extensively and it is one helluva game.....have never experienced any glaring issues with that.

Suggests you've not played enough of it to be honest, FIFA 16 was one of the worse FIFAs in recent times, no touch drilling was some of the worst looking animations I've seen on a sports game in a while. FIFA 16 was less buggy than FIFA 17, but it also had the whole chemgate scandal which was pretty spectacular to watch. Career mode was rubbish as it is this year of course, but EA don't really care about career mode anymore. My favourite part of career mode this year though is watching clubs like Man United horde strikers.

If you've got the money for a football game, get PES 2017 if you want a good game on the pitch, football manager if you're interested in the management side.

 

[varunschuey]

Suggests you've not played enough of it to be honest, FIFA 16 was one of the worse FIFAs in recent times, no touch drilling was some of the worst looking animations I've seen on a sports game in a while. FIFA 16 was less buggy than FIFA 17, but it also had the whole chemgate scandal which was pretty spectacular to watch. Career mode was rubbish as it is this year of course, but EA don't really care about career mode anymore. My favourite part of career mode this year though is watching clubs like Man United horde strikers.

If you've got the money for a football game, get PES 2017 if you want a good game on the pitch, football manager if you're interested in the management side.

Hahahahahahaha.....you are really funny.

Sensing by your endless, pointless defence of Indie game developers....I guess you are one among many wannabe game developers whose game failed before it even got started. If you feel that EA probably had something to do with the demise of your own game development adventure, you are mistaken bro....its the quality of your game (or the lack of it) which is to blame....not EA....get a handle on yourself and your kittens.

 

[Alberts]

Hahahahahahaha.....you are really funny.

Sensing by your endless, pointless defence of Indie game developers....I guess you are one among many wannabe game developers whose game failed before it even got started. If you feel that EA probably had something to do with the demise of your own game development adventure, you are mistaken bro....its the quality of your game (or the lack of it) which is to blame....not EA....get a handle on yourself and your kittens.

I'm not a gamedev, FIFA's quality has just been on the slide in recent years, which is quite frankly very annoying as they have most of the major licences.

The funny thing is that the things that you're crucifying BigAnt for, EA have done themselves, and several times over in the past.

 

[varunschuey]

Anyhow, as it turns out with unorthodox shots I've managed to hit a larger fraction of the field. Superimposing my new wagonwheel on the old one gives the following:

Try superimposing the DBC 17 disc to the bin.....it may make the field 100% accessible

 

[Snowy]

Try superimposing the DBC 17 disc to the bin.....it may make the field 100% accessible

So he comes back to you with evidence to sustain a reasonable conversation, and that's your reply. If you aren't interested in reasonable discussion about your points, then why bother keeping this thread open?

 

[varunschuey]

I'm not a gamedev, FIFA's quality has just been on the slide in recent years, which is quite frankly very annoying as they have most of the major licences.

The funny thing is that the things that you're crucifying BigAnt for, EA have done themselves, and several times over in the past.

Exactly why Fifa sells millions of copies annually....while DBC 17 has passed through the unseen curtain.[DOUBLEPOST=1484035857][/DOUBLEPOST]

So he comes back to you with evidence to sustain a reasonable conversation, and that's your reply. If you aren't interested in reasonable discussion about your points, then why bother keeping this thread open?

If you think posting images of kittens is reasonable and cooked up wagon wheels is evidence...I am really sorry.

 

[Snowy]

Exactly why Fifa sells millions of copies annually....while DBC 17 has passed through the unseen curtain.[DOUBLEPOST=1484035857][/DOUBLEPOST]
If you think posting images of kittens is reasonable and cooked up wagon wheels is evidence...I am really sorry.

'Cooked up' wagon wheels. It's something that he achieved in game, that again, agrees with the basic principle you put forward (that there are unattainable areas of the field). The fact that you're inherently trying to disagree with or dismiss someone who is for all intents and purposes, agreeing with your original point, shows you're either not interested in reasonable conversation, or you're being disingenuous with your original point.

 

[Alberts]

Exactly why Fifa sells millions of copies annually....while DBC 17 has passed through the unseen curtain.

So to confirm, when EA make a mistake, it's all good; if BigAnt do the same, it's not so?

If you think posting images of kittens is reasonable and cooked up wagon wheels is evidence...I am really sorry.

How is the wagon wheel cooked up, that's from actual data in game, and that broadly agrees with your original point, and has quantified something that you were previously guessing at. Surely you should be happy with that.

If nothing else it's actually opened up a pretty interesting point, there appears to be a symmetric region of the region, roughly 33° degrees wide, that I couldn't direct shots at. That alone is interesting, particularly that it appears pretty much symmetrical. Given that the AI can play things like cover drives and leg glaces, this points to where the controls might be going wrong, and if the reason for the issue hasn't been discovered by BigAnt yet, such things may actually be somewhat helpful.